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iPhone 'Halo' Driving Corporate iPad/Mac Adoption, 25% of Cisco-Owned Laptops Are MacBooks
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Apple is the worst company to deal with for an enterprise
I'm working as IT for a 20k users company.
service:
- they don't come to you. you have to bring the laptop to them.
- Very often they tell you to wait a week or two till it's fixed.
connectivity:
- NO docking from apple.
- 300$ dockings from elsewhere... and even that requires you to connect more than one cable.
I can go on about working in the enterprise software...
you end up working with Fusion / remote desktop very often.
to make things clear:
I got MBP 13" retina, MBAir 13" and iMac at home.
and i think anybody who considers a MAC in an enterprise is naive ( i had some other words... but let's make it more polite...).
I'm working as IT for a 20k users company.
service:
- they don't come to you. you have to bring the laptop to them.
- Very often they tell you to wait a week or two till it's fixed.
connectivity:
- NO docking from apple.
- 300$ dockings from elsewhere... and even that requires you to connect more than one cable.
I can go on about working in the enterprise software...
you end up working with Fusion / remote desktop very often.
to make things clear:
I got MBP 13" retina, MBAir 13" and iMac at home.
and i think anybody who considers a MAC in an enterprise is naive ( i had some other words... but let's make it more polite...).
of course people who use iPad's are NOT in Australia...
If would make better headlines.
I don't go for this stuff any longer..
Show me somewhere in Australia where construction workers are using iPad's and I'll believe...
I bet zero, likewise on planes too..
Anything to make Apple look better
We may not count for much, but why should that matter ?
It frustrates me knowing that Apple's getting all the glory, but only based on where it matters to THEM most, no-where else.
If would make better headlines.
I don't go for this stuff any longer..
Show me somewhere in Australia where construction workers are using iPad's and I'll believe...
I bet zero, likewise on planes too..
Anything to make Apple look better
We may not count for much, but why should that matter ?It frustrates me knowing that Apple's getting all the glory, but only based on where it matters to THEM most, no-where else.
Cisco Engineer here.
100% of the engineers in our team use Mac.
Almost 100% of the people in our office use iPhone as personally purchased, Cisco-pays-contract mobile device.
Around 60% of the people in our office are Mac users.
Plenty of iPads around too.
I'd say Microsoft's most used product here is Office... for Mac!
100% of the engineers in our team use Mac.
Almost 100% of the people in our office use iPhone as personally purchased, Cisco-pays-contract mobile device.
Around 60% of the people in our office are Mac users.
Plenty of iPads around too.
I'd say Microsoft's most used product here is Office... for Mac!
Working for one of the three largest Cisco VARs in the US as a Sr Engineer. Just finished one of the annual training weeks and heading home. Out of about 30 Sr Engineers in the training room, only 4 had non-Apple laptops; the rest had MacBook Pros. The company gives Sr Engineers a choice between a Mac and a non-Mac laptop. Junior and mid-level engineers don't have this choice - it's non-Macs only for them.
Being able to use a Mac at work was one of the reasons I chose this VAR over a competing offer from another large Cisco VAR that did not offer Macs to Sr Engineers.
Do I run Windows on this Mac? Yes I do - as a VM. I prefer not to use it much, but there are certain proprietary Cisco and our own application tools that exist only for Windows. Most of my work, however, I do in OS X.
I also run Linux for certain tasks.
Being able to use a Mac at work was one of the reasons I chose this VAR over a competing offer from another large Cisco VAR that did not offer Macs to Sr Engineers.
Do I run Windows on this Mac? Yes I do - as a VM. I prefer not to use it much, but there are certain proprietary Cisco and our own application tools that exist only for Windows. Most of my work, however, I do in OS X.
I also run Linux for certain tasks.
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yeah, in the summer that is
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thank you for a real world enterprise perspective.
Wouldn't be surprise if apple cut Cisco a special deal
Wouldn't be surprise if apple cut Cisco a special deal
But what if they did? That doesn't change the fact Cisco see's enough of a positive impact to incorporate them in its network. I doubt a cut rate price would move a large company like Cisco if it was going to cause productivity or effeciency issues. I mean if Sysco offered a strictly kosher restaurant 90% on short ribs would that restaurant buy them just because it was a good deal? No, because doing so would ruin its business.
I was the opposite. The halo from my original first-gen iPad prompted me to get a corporate iPhone 4. I think iOS shines on the tablet form-factor, and Android is still way behind.
On the phone side, I switched to Android a while back, and have no regrets at all after using my wife's iPhone 5s. I'll keep an open mind when the 6 comes out, but Android has too many advantages as of now.
On the phone side, I switched to Android a while back, and have no regrets at all after using my wife's iPhone 5s. I'll keep an open mind when the 6 comes out, but Android has too many advantages as of now.
No, not at all. His comment was very much appreciated just the way it is.
So how is the weather?
"Talk to me when Macs hit a 25% install base in EITHER the consumer market or business market for a personal computer (not a tablet or a smartphone). As far as I can tell, for the past 30 years Apple peaked at 15% in either of those 2 markets...and that was in 2011 I believe".
Apple may have a lower market share, but the bank account is number 1 with $150Billion in cash. Every CEO dream to get there.... and so am I. Furthermore, not many disturbed so many companies and devices as Apple did or better Steve Jobs crazy mind....
Apple may have a lower market share, but the bank account is number 1 with $150Billion in cash. Every CEO dream to get there.... and so am I. Furthermore, not many disturbed so many companies and devices as Apple did or better Steve Jobs crazy mind....
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Cisco doesn't really get much in the way of special pricing from Apple - certainly nothing that would tip the balance and price is definitely NOT a driver as the Apple devices have typically cost us a chunk more than Windows.
As has been mentioned, Macs are a choice for full time employees so the % breakdown is about 25-30% overall but near 50% in the FTE user base as vendor staff are not eligible to choose a Mac.
VM software used to be bundled in the Mac image - it isn't any longer as the requirement to use Windows has, for many, gone away. Yes, some still prefer to use Outlook in a VM for example and some have a business need for Windows due to software incompatibility on the Mac but the % of people using Windows on Mac as a primary OS (rather than OSX) is tiny.
As has been mentioned, Macs are a choice for full time employees so the % breakdown is about 25-30% overall but near 50% in the FTE user base as vendor staff are not eligible to choose a Mac.
VM software used to be bundled in the Mac image - it isn't any longer as the requirement to use Windows has, for many, gone away. Yes, some still prefer to use Outlook in a VM for example and some have a business need for Windows due to software incompatibility on the Mac but the % of people using Windows on Mac as a primary OS (rather than OSX) is tiny.
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Obviously they got a special deal. Everyone gets a special deal if they buy by the tens of thousands
At my work we get crappy HP's with configurations that aren't even available on their website, e.g. Missing webcams and fingerprint sensors, with the spots for them filled in with an ugly blank. Specially made for our company because they're such cheapskates. And it's not about security, some models do have the cams.
I'd love to get a Mac for work but that'll never happen in this company.
Yet another MR article glossed up with nice lipstick.
I really don't see how the fact that 3 out of 4 people skipped OSX when given the choice (and presumably stayed with Windows) is anything to brag about.
If folks were truly given a choice, I'm surprised that only 1 out of 4 picked Macs. So much for those who who insist that Windows market penetration is so high only because it's forced on people in the enterprise segment.
Obviously they got a special deal. Everyone gets a special deal if they buy by the tens of thousands
I assume you responded to my post because you like to post
emoticons. I can't think of any other logical alternative reason. Please go back and read my post again. I said so what if Cisco got a discount, not I don't believe Cisco got a discount. See the difference there?And why would they need to run Windows? Office? Office is on OS X. Actually, Cisco has a lot of development done with Unix, or at least they used to. A buddy of mine went to Cisco and talked to their engineers and they USED to have two computers on their desk, a Unix workstation and a Windows PC, then they found out they could do everything on a Mac, since it is Unix and it can run Office. So, they bought some MacBookPros and did away with two computers. Plus, it was a laptop, which they weren't doing. This was a while back in the early 2000's when Cisco was having massive amounts of virus attacks taking out PCs causing a lot of problems with computers that were down until they could get them back up and running. So this change over to Macs has been going on for a while.
I read a similar article in San Jose Mercury a couple of years back that it's more like about 30% Macs at Cisco. I'm sure there are some using desktops. This article is only focused on laptops. I'm sure they might have some wanting to buy the new MacPro.
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I assume you responded to my post because you like to post
No company gets huge discounts on Apple, it's just not done as much as it used to back in the 80's and 90's. Apple, like everyone else, dropped the list prices and took away the margins for the resellers because the resellers would discount them regardless, so having a huge margin for the retailer didn't really make any sense if they were going to give deep discounts
Having been doing this for a while, it is noteworthy because anybody who works in a corporate environment knows the deal -- support of anything other than the corporate standard, Windows, is a Bring-Your-Own deal at best. No support, no volume licenses, no established supply chain with vendors who buy and potentially service the machines. I've been there, and you often run into situations where you buy the machine out of a different budget, no volume pricing and it usually goes outside the normal supply chains, you are responsible for your own support, you may not have access to VPN, and software isn't covered by site licenses.
Apple got its foot in the door with the iPhone and started to gain official, supported traction within organizations' IT infrastructure and started playing with the backoffice. Furthermore, unlike Linux, Macs are gaining traction with less saavy users such as sales and marketing types, not just engineering geeks. This means Macs will become more and more of a supported platform, and will start to become part of the normal supply chain, will have more and more support from VPN, etc. Microsoft may have to bend and make Office for Mac part of their Office site license. You are out of your mind if you expect a 25% user base of Linux in any company other than a Linux vendor itself.
Microsoft's old monopoly is crumbling, that's what this means. Not overnight, and Macs will never be 100%, but Microsoft's citadel is being attacked at one side by a flood of mobile devices and on the other end by a creeping Mac infestation. The mortar is disintegrating.
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Unfortunately interoperability isn't quite 100%, although it's better than it used to be. Still to this day, if I do heavy editing on the Mac version of office it will, guaranteed, screw something up for the people on Windows. Tables, fonts, general formatting... It still happens. You just can't rely on it if you're doing collaborative documents with Windows users.
And then there are the supporting Office pieces that are missing -- in my case, Project and Visio. Yeah, yeah, there are mac pseudo-substitutes, but see the last paragraph.
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iOS over Windows development
I've been seeing a noticeable change in development styles over the last few years which has been helping to push "alternative" OSs (see iOS OSX, etc) into the corporate market.
We started at about 9% Apple adoption has pushed to 30% in less than a year. This is not only because of end users preferring apple hardware over Windows equivalent, but also due to the ask from our customers to ensure that our product works with Apple ecosystem software.
Microsoft, and it's development languages, operating system, etc. are being pushed to the back end of business (Servers & Systems), while Apple based systems are being pushed to the end users.
From my point of view, as IT leadership within the company, I find that although the initial CapEx may be $100-$250 high than the windows equivalent. The quality of the devices and supporting software ecosystem allows us to get more useful lifespan which negates and then brings the TCO of the device lower than the Windows equivalent.
My team only has one Windows exclusive user. The rest are all use OS X to manage and run our IT systems (All Windows Servers). The IT Apple users do have Windows running in a VM, but rarely use other support the Windows based users. The majority of their job can be accomplished through RDP.
As I talk to other IT leadership in different companies, both large and small, they are seeing similar trends and the need to adapt to it. Microsoft and Apple seem to be the only two choices in town right now for solid enterprise support from an endpoint perspective. Although Apple still has a lot of ground to cover in enterprise management, thankfully, Microsoft is assisting with WinInTune and SCCM 2012 R2.
I'm expecting the end of 2014 to be at almost 40% Apple adoption.
This is my experience and opinion. Your mileage may vary.
I've been seeing a noticeable change in development styles over the last few years which has been helping to push "alternative" OSs (see iOS OSX, etc) into the corporate market.
We started at about 9% Apple adoption has pushed to 30% in less than a year. This is not only because of end users preferring apple hardware over Windows equivalent, but also due to the ask from our customers to ensure that our product works with Apple ecosystem software.
Microsoft, and it's development languages, operating system, etc. are being pushed to the back end of business (Servers & Systems), while Apple based systems are being pushed to the end users.
From my point of view, as IT leadership within the company, I find that although the initial CapEx may be $100-$250 high than the windows equivalent. The quality of the devices and supporting software ecosystem allows us to get more useful lifespan which negates and then brings the TCO of the device lower than the Windows equivalent.
My team only has one Windows exclusive user. The rest are all use OS X to manage and run our IT systems (All Windows Servers). The IT Apple users do have Windows running in a VM, but rarely use other support the Windows based users. The majority of their job can be accomplished through RDP.
As I talk to other IT leadership in different companies, both large and small, they are seeing similar trends and the need to adapt to it. Microsoft and Apple seem to be the only two choices in town right now for solid enterprise support from an endpoint perspective. Although Apple still has a lot of ground to cover in enterprise management, thankfully, Microsoft is assisting with WinInTune and SCCM 2012 R2.
I'm expecting the end of 2014 to be at almost 40% Apple adoption.
This is my experience and opinion. Your mileage may vary.
Can you share what model(s) Cisco provides? 13" MBA like Amazon does? 15" MBP?
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The OSX native L2TP VPN client seems to work beautifully with Cisco's ASA gear -- are many people running something incompatible, like the dreadful Checkpoint foo?
Does Amazon count as a Linux vendor?
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Do we know for sure that *everyone* gets to choose? I wouldn't be surprised if there are departments where management dictates despite central IT allowing Apple gear.
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Vendor staff means ... contractors? Employees of other companies (like recruiters or travel agents) who are sited in-house?
Unless one is an executive, this is what I've seen with MS-OS laptops within even small-to-mid organizations. For me, being able to take my MBP to any Apple store is priceless compared to having to ship it off to IT somewhere in another state.
That would be fast for many MS-OS corporate IT departments.
Apple doesn't offer an SMD disk controller either, which is just as unimportant. In 2014, who really cares about docking? Docks are an anachronism from the days when laptops had small displays with 400x600 pixels, before ubiquitous WiFi. Back in the day when I was stuck with a Dell Latitude CPi A I had a dock that I pretty much never used. The stand that came with it was handy for holding up my CRT, though.
I'm sure Scotty and Spock have a handle on that.
I only have to fire up Fusion when connecting ISO images to the service processors on old servers, or on the increasingly rare occasions when I come across an AlbumWrap archive.
Man I wish people responding to other posts would at least READ THE DANG POST before responding. Please, oh, please, go back and read my posts in this thread and then tell me how your post to me is on point. My posts here are not about Apple giving huge discounts.
Got to choose where I work now too...
As a software developer, it was great to finally have a choice in platforms.
Where I work we develop high performance Linux based backend software. Nearly all of the engineers choose MacBook Pro's over the Lenovo's (though some do prefer windows).
It's a perfect combination for me... SSHFS/MacFuse to mount my Linux's FS onto my Mac Book, slickedit for my editor running on the mac. iTerm 2 with tmux/tmuxinator for shell windows.
Plus, unlike running Linux directly, I still get all my Mac toys, and the real MS Office. And tools like Mac Ports make the Mac a very developer friendly environment.
And if I DO need Windows (which I haven't yet), I also can fire up VMWare with Windows 8.
The setup at companies like Cisco is often similar, as they do a lot of embedded work and cross compilation. Linux dev environments, some other desktop solution to get to those environments, and some other target device.
As a software developer, it was great to finally have a choice in platforms.
Where I work we develop high performance Linux based backend software. Nearly all of the engineers choose MacBook Pro's over the Lenovo's (though some do prefer windows).
It's a perfect combination for me... SSHFS/MacFuse to mount my Linux's FS onto my Mac Book, slickedit for my editor running on the mac. iTerm 2 with tmux/tmuxinator for shell windows.
Plus, unlike running Linux directly, I still get all my Mac toys, and the real MS Office. And tools like Mac Ports make the Mac a very developer friendly environment.
And if I DO need Windows (which I haven't yet), I also can fire up VMWare with Windows 8.
The setup at companies like Cisco is often similar, as they do a lot of embedded work and cross compilation. Linux dev environments, some other desktop solution to get to those environments, and some other target device.