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We all know he is fired. We all know Apple's reputation is damaged. We all know Apple will come out with an iPhone 5 as soon as possible to leave this antenna issue behind.

No matter what they do:

iPhone 4 = antenna issue

iPhone 5 = newly redesign antenna with no loss of bar no matter how you hold the phone (I am sure Apple will throw some great words there) :)

Evidence?
 
Evidence?

Whether not not it's completely false, if Apple doesn't ship iPhone 5 with a new antenna, they're not going to sell as many. If they ship it saying it has an Antennagate antenna, nobody's going to want it. The media will publicize Apple's apparent failure and forget to publicize their successes, so the end result is the public hearing about how bad Apple is.
 
I doubt this has anything to do with accountability; I think this has MORE to do with Papermaster's integrity! With Bloomberg reporting weeks ago a top engineer had issues with use of the external antenna integration and spoke openly to Steve Jobs which rejected the advisement; and Jobs also outright stated its ********, I think THIS is Papermaster's way of stating Jobs is lying and more going on with the antennagate situation; without pointing a finger.

Well said. I was thinking the same thing.
 
Papermaster was in charge of overseeing all designs

It seems rather obvious that he had to own his mistake of not listening to his scientists and engineering staff concerns with that design and now he's truly owning it.

That's life when one wants to be a professional and gets millions worth in stock options. You take on all the responsibilities of the products you drive.

It was his responsibility as head of the iPhone 4 hardware design to manage it w/o such mistakes. He's a brilliant man. I'm sure he'll land on his feet, if not already.
 
Slow news day. Mac is still dead.
Note that Apple has recently updated the MacBooks (including the Pro line), Mac mini, iMacs, and Cinema Display. SEC filings show that Apple still makes a healthy margin on Macs.

I think I've mentioned this to you before but as a longtime AAPL shareholder, I will assure you that Macs aren't dead.

I really don't understand why you continue to post these inane gripings apart from a morbid interest in depression. I worry about you. You seem to be very unhappy. I still think you should see professional help.

Oh, and weekends are pretty quiet in terms of news volume. So don't take the lack of Mac news on a Saturday to mean anything.

:p
 
Note that Apple has recently updated the MacBooks (including the Pro line), Mac mini, iMacs, and Cinema Display. SEC filings show that Apple still makes a healthy margin on Macs.

I think I've mentioned this to you before but as a longtime AAPL shareholder, I will assure you that Macs aren't dead.

Oh, and weekends are pretty quiet in terms of news volume. So don't take the lack of Mac news on a Saturday to mean anything.

:p
Cute as usual but so boring when iTunes and Safari are my main applications and the next time I wake my Mac it bugs me that I haven't done a Time Machine backup in several weeks. Quaint doesn't open wallets and Spotlight broke even more. Apathy is abound.

Oh joy, more Core 2. Time to wait for Sandy Bridge.

Resale value seems to power the fervor of materialists.
 
Which means nothing, because Apple has sidestepped all of it.


Bad press means squat if it has little to no effect on your sales. It shows just how strong Apple products are.

Apple has a patent on PR too, folks.

At least one person understands.

The editors of the Harvard Lampoon put it a different way: "The only bad publicity is your obituary."

Apple is far from dead, not even remotely dying whether it be store shelves or in the stock market. Apple is swimming in money and more sack of cash roll in every day. Their biggest hindrance is supply chain constraints; their manufacturing partners can't ship iPhones and iPads fast enough to meet demand.

LTD - don't speak about matters you know nothing about. Sorry. But as a PR professional for over 20 years I think I see a bigger picture than you. Apple hasn't sidestepped anything. They're currently in perhaps their worst PR crisis management mode they've ever had with their strategies for calming the press failing left and right. I'm not talking sales. I'm talking negativity in the press of which you might not see the impact for a few years to come. If you don't understand how bad press is still bad press, I don't have time to give you a course on it.

You can be a fan all you want. You can cite statistics all you want. It's all conjecture and relatively meaningless. What is definite is that Apple is not on same height pedestal it was on prior to the iPhone4.

And I am not suggesting that Apple is failing or that they are losing money or that it's the end of Apple. Hardly. They'll pull through just fine. But that doesn't NEGATE the fact that they are in crisis management mode and so far everything they've done has been TRANSPARENT to anyone paying attention.

Time will be the only true indicator as to what this situation and all the press has done.

It will be very interesting when the next iPhone is revealed what kind of pre-orders there are. What questions are asked. And what the buzz is before and during the launch. I have no doubt in my mind that the iPhone 4 will have a definite affect on the next launch in terms of perception. People don't forget. And the media CERTAINLY doesn't. The issues being presented in the media now will all resurface whenever the next phone starts becoming relevant.
 
Cute as usual but so boring when iTunes and Safari are my main applications and the next time I wake my Mac it bugs me that I haven't done a Time Machine backup in several weeks. Quaint doesn't open wallets and Spotlight broke even more. Apathy is abound.

Oh joy, more Core 2. Time to wait for Sandy Bridge.
Note that while it may not open your wallet, it seems to be opening the wallets of Joe Consumer. For Joe Consumer, iTunes and Safari are the main applications.

It's not about your individual usage case. It's about the overall marketplace. Steve isn't going to call you and ask what you want.

Again, your unhappiness should probably be diagnosed by a mental health professional. After all, it's just a freakin' computer.

Resale value seems to power the fervor of materialists.
Good point: Macs have a higher resale value than the typical Windows PC. Personally, I don't even bother. I donate used computer equipment to charity and take the tax credit.
 
We've heard it all before.

Apple sells on margin, not volume, when it comes to computers. They don't need to sell a lot of Mac Pros (or Macs in general) to realize a profit. Apple actually sold *more* of their so-called "overpriced" and "underpowered" Macs in a recession than ever before, despite the overwhelming presence of lower-cost, often more powerful (raw spec-wise) alternatives.

Try again.

You're talking like Apple is the only one. PC sales still absolutely DWARF mac sales. MS sells about a million copies of Windows 7 a day. Apple is rejoicing over the fact they are selling a million macs a month. Huge difference.
 
Note that while it may not open your wallet, it seems to be opening the wallets of Joe Consumer. For Joe Consumer, iTunes and Safari are the main applications.

It's not about your individual usage case. It's about the overall marketplace. Steve isn't going to call you and ask what you want.

Again, your unhappiness should probably be diagnosed by a mental health professional. After all, it's just a freakin' computer.
It's only a hobby but someone has to do it.

Safari and iTunes do not need a blazing fast SSD and Xeon DP. The excess people aspire to is something that I'm still unable to understand.

Technology is stagnant in general. There is nothing to look forward to from Apple outside of a point software update and people cracking open packages to get the chewy marrow of kernel extensions. The Mac Pro people are the most interesting outside of the tiresome and pedestrian masses.

Is this the last bastion of possible reckless and instinctual consumerism or did my spending habits never change? People still file in to fill out their unemployment. Though maybe that doesn't hit here.
 
It will be very interesting when the next iPhone is revealed what kind of pre-orders there are. What questions are asked. And what the buzz is before and during the launch. I have no doubt in my mind that the iPhone 4 will have a definite affect on the next launch in terms of perception. People don't forget. And the media CERTAINLY doesn't. The issues being presented in the media now will all resurface whenever the next phone starts becoming relevant.

I am not an expert on PR but you wrote everything that I think. Yes, there will be people who will jump on any wagon but customers like me will DEFINITELY wait at least a month for the next one to see what kind of issue(s) the new iPhone 5 will have or not. I do not want the iPhone 4 now. Apple really needs to do something BIG to convince me the antenna issue is completely solved so I may buy the iPhone 4 but I am thinking, there is no way that is happening. I think if the iPhone 5 has zero issues like the 2G,3G and 3GS, then people will forget about this whole thing when the iPhone 6 is out. It will take sometime to clean this mess.
 
Technology is stagnant in general. There is nothing to look forward to from Apple outside of a point software update and people cracking open packages to get the chewy marrow of kernel extensions. The Mac Pro people are the most interesting outside of the tiresome and pedestrian masses.

Is this the last bastion of possible reckless and instinctual consumerism or did my spending habits never change? People still file in to fill out their unemployment. Though maybe that doesn't hit here.
Nah, the last bastion of possible reckless and instinctual consumerism is bottled water.

I don't know about your spending habits. To my knowledge, you've never detailed it much more than your sig, but I don't remember the edits.
 
You're talking like Apple is the only one. PC sales still absolutely DWARF mac sales. MS sells about a million copies of Windows 7 a day. Apple is rejoicing over the fact they are selling a million macs a month. Huge difference.
Nah, you're not getting the point.

LTD's first point is that Mac sales increased during a down market when Windows PC sales decreased.

Also, he pointed out (which you don't seem to understand) that unit sales isn't as important to Apple as gross margins are. Apple and Microsoft are difficult to compare because one is a hardware company (Apple) and the other is a software company (Microsoft). Apple doesn't see OS X software sales as a large component of their business; they look at Mac sales. Microsoft converse sells little Windows hardware (a few peripherals like their fine Natural Keyboard), but Windows software sales are a major income.

Apple doesn't want 90% of the overall computer market. They do want 90% of the high-margin computer marketplace, hence their virtual dominance in computer sales over $1000.

It's like saying that Apple is running a white tablecloth fine dining restaurant, not a drive-through burger joint. The public desires some of both types.

Actually that's not quite right: Apple's products a premium priced, but not extraordinarily out of line. A more accurate description is that Apple has is a fancy mom-and-pop grilled-to-order burger counter whereas their competitors are more standard fast food joints. About the same amount of calories, but which one is tastier?
 
Nah, the last bastion of possible reckless and instinctual consumerism is bottled water.
Bottled water makes me cringe hard. I have a hard enough time swallowing syrup water.

I don't know about your spending habits. To my knowledge, you've never detailed it much more than your sig, but I don't remember the edits.
I'll admit that I have an obsessive compulsion to save and later invest what I can. Though spending the extra few dollars to get my GTX 460 early on launch week was worth it.

Gratification through material possessions isn't gratifying.
 
I'll admit that I have an obsessive compulsion to save and later invest what I can. Though spending the extra few dollars to get my GTX 460 early on launch week was worth it.
That's not an investment, it's an expense. The value doesn't appreciate.

Buying AAPL is an investment. The goal of acquiring investments is an increase in value.

Are you gainfully employed and living on your own? You don't write like someone who is managing his own income and expenses, someone paying for the roof above their head and the food on the table.

I still get the feeling that you are a generally unhappy person. I remember you claiming that you are a hardcore hardware person and know all the specs about everything, but there appears to be little joy when you talk about anything.

While it may rankle some people here, at least I am very enthusiastic about being an AAPL shareholder!

:D
 
Nah, you're not getting the point.

LTD's first point is that Mac sales increased during a down market when Windows PC sales decreased.

Also, he pointed out (which you don't seem to understand) that unit sales isn't as important to Apple as gross margins are. Apple and Microsoft are difficult to compare because one is a hardware company (Apple) and the other is a software company (Microsoft). Apple doesn't see OS X software sales as a large component of their business; they look at Mac sales. Microsoft converse sells little Windows hardware (a few peripherals like their fine Natural Keyboard), but Windows software sales are a major income.

Apple doesn't want 90% of the overall computer market. They do want 90% of the high-margin computer marketplace, hence their virtual dominance in computer sales over $1000.

It's like saying that Apple is running a white tablecloth fine dining restaurant, not a drive-through burger joint. The public desires some of both types.

Actually that's not quite right: Apple's products a premium priced, but not extraordinarily out of line. A more accurate description is that Apple has is a fancy mom-and-pop grilled-to-order burger counter whereas their competitors are more standard fast food joints. About the same amount of calories, but which one is tastier?

Well, I'd argue that I get more than people like LTD, and apparently yourself, in that MS is selling record copies of Windows. So where do you get the idea that PC sales are decreasing? They are setting records! So there goes that idea.

Also, someone in the position of market dominance is in a stronger position. Apple's position is tenuous because it hinges ON those high margins. A vertical integration strategy never wins. Surely Apple is peaking now, and will begin the same downward slide they experienced before. Steve Jobs failed pretty hard at NeXT, and the Mac wasn't any sort of success until Apple canned jobs and opened up the platform a bit.

If Apple "dominates" in the over $1000 market it's BECAUSE most of their models are in that range, and MOST PC models are not! It's a specious argument at best. Using all of these silly food metaphors just confounds the reality that OSX is nice, but it's simply not better than Windows. In quite a few ways, it's behind. Yes, it's a nice little package, and it's what I use. I have all of the Apple crap, iPhone, iPad, iMac, MobileMe...yeah, I've paid for all of it. However the difference is that I'm not a blind raving fanboy that doesn't understand how this stuff works, or that doesn't see the plain writing on the wall for Apple.

They aren't going to be media darlings forever, and they are engaging in some highly stupid activities. Steve Jobs is in a position of power and is showing his true colors to the general public, instead of just to the people who know him or pay attention. Apple's stock price is slightly inflated due to the stock market's current infatuation with them. MS makes more money, and actually has higher margins. I agree they have a stark lack of leadership and vision right now, but they are executing on some fronts. I know a few Apple diehards who are becoming fairly disillusioned with the quality of Apple's pro market offerings...things are going to start coming apart for them unless they start paying more attention to the markets that actually matter. Things like the iPhone and iPad could turn so quickly on them, and all they would be left with is a neglected OSX platform. Of course we will see what they come up with since apparently they are doing something "revolutionary"...

Anyway, the point of this is before you go around accusing other people of "not getting it" or whatever you want to call it, make sure it's not you yourself that is the one that doesn't really understand what is going on here. I am pretty confident that I know exactly what the game is, thanks.
 
That's not an investment, it's an expense. The value doesn't appreciate.

Buying AAPL is an investment. The goal of acquiring investments is an increase in value.

Are you gainfully employed and living on your own? You don't write like someone who is managing his own income and expenses, someone paying for the roof above their head and the food on the table.

I still get the feeling that you are a generally unhappy person. I remember you claiming that you are a hardcore hardware person and know all the specs about everything, but there appears to be little joy when you talk about anything.

While it may rankle some people here, at least I am very enthusiastic about being an AAPL shareholder!

:D

That would certainly explain a lot about your perception of the reality here. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years the value of that stock is far below what it is now...
 
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