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Plus, I think for average consumers, the mini is a hard sell when the XR and 11 are larger and less expensive. Makes it feel like you’re paying more for less.
The only reason I side-graded from my 7 to the 12 mini was to get 5G. I'm on T-Mobile and they put their 5G on 600 MHz for better coverage. I preferred the 7 otherwise.
 
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iPhone Technician here.. ...but we see battery health degrading faster than the their low cost predecessors (SE 2020, SE 2022, iPhone Xr & iPhone 11)

Why would that be the case for the 13 Mini battery and not the SE line? You mentioned smaller footprint, but the 13 Mini battery is larger is it not? Or are you talking actual physical space taken by the battery? Please educate a layman... :)
 
It really is amazing how fast the hype around the Mini died off.
RIP 🪦 iPhone Mini!

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These wishes for a “mini pro” are not helping the mini to survive. Too much wishful thinking is killing a solid product.


Sony in the past and currently Asus are THE only comoanies other than Apple to come close to packing real power into a small phone form factor.

The cpu in the iPhone is THE exact same chip in as the Pro and the only thing throttling that occurs is due to extended high end processor cycles. This in turn puts pressure on the primary fault of the mini or any smartphone small form factor, battery capacity!

I just looked up the Asus 'small' phone - about 20% bigger and more importantly 1.5 x heavier than my current phone.
I'm *still* not getting the reason to upgrade my 2016 SE - the perfect size/weight and functionality in 2022.
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I just looked up the Asus 'small' phone - about 20% bigger and more importantly 1.5 x heavier than my current phone.
I'm *still* not getting the reason to upgrade my 2016 SE - the perfect size/weight and functionality in 2022.
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That's the key: whatever works for you is THE best solution.

The issue for us mini users is there is no longer going to be the whatever works for us solution from 2022 onward. Even if Apple keeps the 13 mini in the lineup, Apple traditionally reduces the storage and with the 13 mini 512GB was the top storage. I dislike the taller notch on the 13 mini as for me it affects websites so much even with 2nd to lowest font size setting in iOS. Also lens flare didn't improve at all so I returned the 13 mini and stuck with my 12 mini.

those with AC+ on their 13 mini potentially could get an iPhone Pro with a swap on their 3rd year if parts/replacements are scarce since no iphone prior has 512GB storage except the Pro models.
 
I've upgraded every year since the iPhone X but I'll stop until they release another mini or small one. Even the iPhone 13 mini is objectively too large for any hand in the world. Large phones are an abomination
 
I dislike the taller notch on the 13 mini as for me it affects websites so much even with 2nd to lowest font size setting in iOS.

I found that setting the page zoom to 75% in Safari settings really changes the experience dramatically for the better.
 
Considering that 14 will start at $799 where the current 13 is with not much difference in specs, my guess is that Apple will just drop 13 and keep 13 mini at the current price for a little while longer. We'll see what will happen with 11 and 12.
 
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Considering that 14 will start at $799 where the current 13 is with not much difference in specs, my guess is that Apple will just drop 13 and keep 13 mini at the current price for a little while longer. We'll see what will happen with 11 and 12.
That seems quite likely.
 
I'm planning to get a 13 mini after a couple of years on Android (no hate, I like them both and switch between them every couple of years).

Really I'm just waiting to see if;

- somehow there is a 14 mini that somehow slipped under the radar
- the 13 mini will remain with a price drop

(I am slightly worried that there may be a price increase due to inflation and the strong dollar)

I'm contemplating a 13 mini to replace my aging XR. Still like my little SE best but that's even older... sigh. It's time to get something newer but not looking to break the bank over it. Refurb 13 mini would work for me.
 
What a weird article. Anyone with a 12 mini or 13 mini who really loves that form factor is best off just keeping their phone (what a concept!). How is that not mentioned at all? The 12 mini isn’t even 2 years old. Why do people HAVE to be looking out for something new?
It’s not just for people who already own an iPhone mini of any model. It’s also for iPhone curious consumers who like the idea of an iPhone mini but are looking for the latest and greatest equivalent :)
 
Although the display is larger than the iPhone SE, the iPhone 13 mini is the smallest phone Apple sells.

iPhone SE (3rd gen):
(4.7" display)
Height5.45 inches (138.4 mm)
Width2.65 inches (67.3 mm)

iPhone 13 mini:
(5.4" display)
Height5.18 inches (131.5 mm)
Width2.53 inches (64.2 mm)
Thanks for calling out my word hash! Duly corrected to say the second smallest model :)
 
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why does apple say refurbs like the 12 mini come with a new battery

I just got a new one from Verizon and the battery health started out at 93%

Am i doing something wrong ??

Thanks
 
Shame if it's true. 13 mini is about as large as I can accept a phone to carry around to be. No real need for a bigger screen to me. I guess in Tim's time it's all about sales and what most people want now, not choice or even physical relation to human hand.
 
... Still like my little SE best but that's even older... sigh. ...

Another possibility is the newest SE.

Depending upon which SE Liz is talking about, she may not be particularly interested in the current SE. The original 2016 SE was released alongside the larger 6S iPhones; that SE sported the comparatively miniscule form factor of the earlier 5-series iPhones, but with the same CPU as the 6S. The two subsequent SEs (2020 and 2022) both moved on to the larger 6-series form factor, but each with slightly more modernized internals. It seems to me that the most reasonable supposition is that Apple decided that you just can't get a decent enough battery life out of the newer-gen hardware within the physical constraints of a 5-series chassis. Likewise, they appear to be coming to the same conclusion about the latest Minis.

It has been my observation that most people who pine for smaller iPhones are thinking nostalgically of their old 4-series or 5-series models, when we were all more innocent... and when the primarily function of most peoples' phones was still just to (shudder!) make phone calls.

Times have changed.
 
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Depending upon which SE Liz is talking about, she may not be particularly interested in the current SE. The original 2016 SE was released alongside the larger 6S iPhones; that SE sported the comparatively miniscule form factor of the earlier 5-series iPhones, but with the same CPU as the 6S. The two subsequent SEs (2020 and 2022) both moved on to the larger 6-series form factor, but each with slightly more modernized internals. It seems to me that the most reasonable supposition is that Apple decided that you just can't get a decent enough battery life out of the newer-gen hardware within the physical constraints of a 5-series chassis. Likewise, they appear to be coming to the same conclusion about the latest Minis.

It has been my observation that most people who pine for smaller iPhones are thinking nostalgically of their old 4-series or 5-series models, when we were all more innocent... and when the primarily function of most peoples' phones was still just to (shudder!) make phone calls.

Times have changed.

Yeah I've already relegated my SE to upstairs use for audiobooks. I have a XR and am more or less resigned to something that size going forward, since the real estate on its screen lets me use it for more than just texts, 2FA, phone calls and interactions with the likes of Instacart etc. Times do change, indeed.

I did so love being able to stick the little SE in a shirt pocket or jeans pocket and not even feel the weight of it though. Once I stuck a case on the XR I was like wow, now I'm lifting weights just to check the weather? 🙃
 
why does apple say refurbs like the 12 mini come with a new battery

I just got a new one from Verizon and the battery health started out at 93%

Am i doing something wrong ??

Thanks
The phone you got from Verizon was not an Apple refurbished unit, unless it was stated as such and in a plain white box. You may have gotten a Verizon refurbished phone, which is not the same thing.

Apple does put new batteries in their refurbished phones which are sold on the Apple refurbished website.

 
It has been my observation that most people who pine for smaller iPhones are thinking nostalgically of their old 4-series or 5-series models, when we were all more innocent... and when the primarily function of most peoples' phones was still just to (shudder!) make phone calls.

Times have changed.
I disagree - my 2016 SE gets used for everything and anything.
Infact there isn't really anything much it can't do which a brand new iphone 13 can do.

Not only that but it'll do it quickly, efficiently and most importantly to me - single handedly.
I fully appreciate that I'm in a minority and fine that other people always want bigger and bigger, I just don't want to spend my time out gawping at a big screen - I have an Ipad for doing that when I get home.

It's also noteworthy that Apple haven't managed to advance the technology since then without creating extra weight and silly bumps and notches all over the place.
 
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I disagree - my 2016 SE gets used for everything and anything. ...
Calm down, Dan -- I very specifically said most peoples' phones. I wholeheartedly concur; back-in-the-day, I very intentionally used my iPhone 5 for anything and everything that I could possibly pressure it into doing, and I reveled in it. I even went so far as to switch off Wi-Fi entirely for several months, just so that I could try to push the limits of my unlimited data plan and the (then newly installed) LTE network, to see if Sprint was ever going to complain about my usage. I streamed sooooooooo many TV shows and movies to that thing, amounting to gigs and gigs of data... and Sprint never once complained about it, nor throttled me.

My comment was only meant to convey that I very particularly remember being in the minority in this type of usage, in that most other people I knew still really only used their iPhones for talking and texting -- if they texted at all. It was like pulling an eye tooth just to get my wife to start using the shared calendar on her iPhone -- whereas today, she's almost always casually walking around the house with her Airpods in and an episode of Big Bang Theory or some such thing running on her iPhone.
 
I’ve had my 13 mini for 11 months and it’s at 99% battery health.
I've had my mini about the same length of time and its battery health is 97%.

I have actually run out of battery by the end of the day a couple times. I may upgrade to a 14 Pro, haven't decided yet.
 
This is a very silly article MacRumors.

"What to look out for". It's not difficult, mini owners will either keep their mini or if they want a newer device they'll have to go for a larger phone. Zzzzz. Probably the wrong target audience for this type of article, folks who are keen to read up on the latest rumours are going to be aware of what's going on.
 
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