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iPhone / Nexus One and OLED

thelatinist said:
At the risk of being called a fanboy, it is not at all a given that an AMOLED will provide better battery life in all applications. AMOLED displays are also more subject to materials degredation, have shorter lifespans, and may be subject to burn-in. Most importantly, they are much dimmer than LCDs in sunlight.

In the end, the decision of which is better is a judgment call: a more durable, brighter, longer lived, less vibrant and lower resolution LCD may be preferable in some situations and to some people to a less durable, dimmer, shorter-lived, more vibrant and higher resolution screen. Something like superiority of a screen technology is not as black and white as you'd like to suggest.
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Careful now - if you even breathe one utterance of admiration for anything Apple, he'll stomp on you with the "FanHammer" :D. The thing is, I own a Milestone which has 854x480 screen which is LCD, and I compared it to my friend's Nexus when he had it, and they were equally as bright (and Milestone had higher res). The "higher resolution" argument is moot.

I totally agree, and a lot of people just don't understand the finer details of the technologies about which they rave.
 
thelatinist said:
At the risk of being called a fanboy, it is not at all a given that an AMOLED will provide better battery life in all applications. AMOLED displays are also more subject to materials degredation, have shorter lifespans, and may be subject to burn-in. Most importantly, they are much dimmer than LCDs in sunlight.

In the end, the decision of which is better is a judgment call: a more durable, brighter, longer lived, less vibrant and lower resolution LCD may be preferable in some situations and to some people to a less durable, dimmer, shorter-lived, more vibrant and higher resolution screen. Something like superiority of a screen technology is not as black and white as you'd like to suggest.
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right, it's application dependent based on light/dark pixels. I think the higher-res screen is the biggest thing. I find myself having an easier time reading on the nexus one than the iphone because of that.
 
dwd3885 said:
right, it's application dependent based on light/dark pixels. I think the higher-res screen is the biggest thing. I find myself having an easier time reading on the nexus one than the iphone because of that.
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... wonderful ...
 
I agree with RonnyUK, if the next iphone os/iphone doesn't incorporate some sort of multitasking I'm gonna be thinking hard about migrating to another phone.

You never needed 2 gigs of ram to multitask on a computer, so why should that be a requirement for the iphone?
I'm often in a situation where I'm listetning to web radio and all of a sudden get a mail or a sms that I want to answer while still listening, saving states sure, but that doesn't cover the music stopping, in addition I want to be able to sit on IRC networks which has no benefit from push notifications.

I love my iphone, but the way we can use doesn't play well with only being able to use one app at a time, let me decide if I want to burn my battery twice as fast or not.
 
glossywhite said:
If that wasn't sarcasm, then you are correct... N95 is a diabolical mess, as is Nokia's whole design ethos, if the last few year's handsets are any yardstick!.
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it wasn't sarcasm at all.
And I own an N95 ...
dwd3885 said:
Not to be nitpicky, but millions more people use Windows than Mac, so does that make Windows better? The amount of people using your product doesn't make said product better.
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And in your opinion you can compare an o.s. (running on computers from thousands of manufacturer) to a phone ? :confused:
 
simulacra said:
I agree with RonnyUK, if the next iphone os/iphone doesn't incorporate some sort of multitasking I'm gonna be thinking hard about migrating to another phone.

You never needed 2 gigs of ram to multitask on a computer, so why should that be a requirement for the iphone?
I'm often in a situation where I'm listetning to web radio and all of a sudden get a mail or a sms that I want to answer while still listening, saving states sure, but that doesn't cover the music stopping, in addition I want to be able to sit on IRC networks which has no benefit from push notifications.

I love my iphone, but the way we can use doesn't play well with only being able to use one app at a time, let me decide if I want to burn my battery twice as fast or not.
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Okay, but don't forget that for every tech savvy iPhone user, there will be a thousand John Doe users who will wonder why their battery dies so fast, and complain like mad to Apple and rant on forums, blogs etc. Hardly ideal for user experience or Apple.
 
glossywhite said:
Okay, but don't forget that for every tech savvy iPhone user, there will be a thousand John Doe users who will wonder why their battery dies so fast, and complain like mad to Apple and rant on forums, blogs etc. Hardly ideal for user experience or Apple.
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Then let the user option it, just like we do with the 3G switch, battery life disclaimer and all.
 
simulacra said:
Then let the user option it, just like we do with the 3G switch, battery life disclaimer and all.
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Then the whole user experience starts to fragment, and that would detract from the simplicity really. iPhone is about being easy to use, Android is about hacks and fiddling around.
 
glossywhite said:
Okay, but don't forget that for every tech savvy iPhone user, there will be a thousand John Doe users who will wonder why their battery dies so fast, and complain like mad to Apple and rant on forums, blogs etc. Hardly ideal for user experience or Apple.
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Multi-tasking causing the battery to drain excessively is the biggest myth about the subject. The truth is that having multiple applications open has very little affect on battery life at all. The obvious exceptions are apps that stream data even while inactive (IM, pandora, etc.), in which case it would be apparent to users that they are using battery power.

The majority of people that believe Apple when they say multi-tasking reduces battery life by 80%. They proceed to thank Apple for not allowing multi-tasking and experiencing horrible battery life.

Alternatively, there are non-idiots who will realize it is not multi-tasking that drains the battery, but rather keeping an IM client open which utilizes a continuous data connection. They understand that it would count as usage time, and fully expect the battery to be dead within 9 hours (equivalent to wifi browsing).

The vast majority of apps, however, don't use a continuous data connection and do no processing while they are idle. This means that they don't use any battery power if you switch to another app. All it requires is keeping the app loaded up in memory.

glossywhite said:
Then the whole user experience starts to fragment, and that would detract from the simplicity really. iPhone is about being easy to use, Android is about hacks and fiddling around.
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I would prefer not to be coddled. Ironically, there is probably a higher percentage of iPhone jailbreakers than Android jailbreakers since Android offers by default many of the features people jailbreak the iPhone for.
 
glossywhite said:
Then the whole user experience starts to fragment, and that would detract from the simplicity really. iPhone is about being easy to use, Android is about hacks and fiddling around.
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You were replying to someone who just pointed out that the iPhone already has non-simple user decisions to make about battery life... and more. It's not as "easy" as some people make it out to be. There's plenty to fiddle with already!

  • 3G on/off.
  • WiFi on/off.
  • Backlight brightness.
  • Push on/off.
  • Data roaming on/off.
If people are already "forced" to handle those... with very little or no help... then they can handle a bit more.
 
I used a Nexus One all day today. At 9am I was regretting not bringing my iPhone to work because the screen seemed very dim. By 11am I had adjusted and it was 'sufficient'. It was nicer on the eyes. I didn't feel like I was staring at a lamp, which is how I feel sometimes with LED displays.
 
Eso said:
<snippety snip>

I would prefer not to be coddled. Ironically, there is probably a higher percentage of iPhone jailbreakers than Android jailbreakers since Android offers by default many of the features people jailbreak the iPhone for.
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Then don't buy iPhone; it's not about being "coddled" (I think you meant mollycoddled) it is about simplicity. When are people going to realise this?. The "average" user is as far away from anything talked about on this forum as you can imagine. Some people don't even know what "Wifi" means, and to put an option into the firmware that may confuse them is not a good idea, especially one which is not immediately obvious to the everyday person in the street:

"Multitasking ON/OFF" would provoke many a "WTF" moment, whereas "3G ON/OFF" or "Screen Brightness" are reasonably obvious.

As I said, Apple like to simplify, not complicate and obfuscate.
 
After using Android for a day the iPhone's "lack" of options just seems beautiful.
 
Kahnyl said:
After using Android for a day the iPhone's "lack" of options just seems beautiful.
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My Moto Milestone is currently attracting bids on eBay... I will be glad to rid myself of Android, once and for all. Ugh.
 
glossywhite said:
Okay :rolleyes: well if you can only see things in such narrow minded, pigeon-holed black and white terms, then feel free to brand me as a fanboy if it helps you sleep better.

I am not going to sit here and waste my time explaining to ears that cannot hear; I test the competitors products for my own personal reasons, so I can inform others, and keep an open mind. You cannot criticise something you've never tried... can you not see this?... :confused: it's really rather obvious why I did/do it. How can you keep up to date with tech, if you don't play with the devices against which the iPhone is being compared?.

PS: calm down; you really don't need to get so excited.

Does anyone else understand what I am saying regarding this?.
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Who's getting excited? The only one that seems excited around here would be....um....YOU. And it's great you have an open mind on products (though to listen to you it seems quite otherwise), but in your quest to be open minded it sounds like you want everyone else to close their minds and listen to only you.

What would you do if you came across something truly better then an iPhone? I have to wonder.
 
Good. Then you all have your answers then right?

What you like is what you like, for your own reasons that make sense to you.
and
What he likes is what he likes, for his own reasons that make sense to him.

Done.


Geez...reading this stuff reminds me that some people try to make coffee out of dirt.
;)
 
iceterminal said:
Good. Then you all have your answers then right?

What you like is what you like, for your own reasons that make sense to you.
and
What he likes is what he likes, for his own reasons that make sense to him.

Done.


Geez...reading this stuff reminds me that some people try to make coffee out of dirt.
;)
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I have coffee that tastes LIKE dirt... it is some cheap "value" brand, that the British supermarkets think they can palm off as a good deal... hmmm...
 
Eso said:
Multi-tasking causing the battery to drain excessively is the biggest myth about the subject. The truth is that having multiple applications open has very little affect on battery life at all. The obvious exceptions are apps that stream data even while inactive (IM, pandora, etc.), in which case it would be apparent to users that they are using battery power.

The majority of people that believe Apple when they say multi-tasking reduces battery life by 80%. They proceed to thank Apple for not allowing multi-tasking and experiencing horrible battery life.

Alternatively, there are non-idiots who will realize it is not multi-tasking that drains the battery, but rather keeping an IM client open which utilizes a continuous data connection. They understand that it would count as usage time, and fully expect the battery to be dead within 9 hours (equivalent to wifi browsing).

The vast majority of apps, however, don't use a continuous data connection and do no processing while they are idle. This means that they don't use any battery power if you switch to another app. All it requires is keeping the app loaded up in memory.
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Yes, and Microsoft is considering Windows Mobile 7 to be "no multi-tasking" because they are idiots too ....

Windows 7 Mobile lacks multitasking capabilities
 
Is it wrong that people like glossywhite make me want to give up using Apple products after 10+ years?
 
dranakin said:
Is it wrong that people like glossywhite make me want to give up using Apple products after 10+ years?
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No, that's why I try not to read too many message boards. You get a surplus of opinions that are largely extreme and very little rationale is put into it.

I like most Apple products, but I tend to get a tad bit annoyed by Apple users much more than by Windows and Android users. There's just this, 'Apple is awesome and I use it so if you don't use Apple products you are clearly inferior to me' vibe.
 
dwd3885 said:
No, that's why I try not to read too many message boards. You get a surplus of opinions that are largely extreme and very little rationale is put into it.

I like most Apple products, but I tend to get a tad bit annoyed by Apple users much more than by Windows and Android users. There's just this, 'Apple is awesome and I use it so if you don't use Apple products you are clearly inferior to me' vibe.
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So why are you here, talking fluff?. :rolleyes:
 
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