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iPhone on Verizon: 'A Decision That is Exclusively in Apple's Court'

iphone on verizon seems so win-win-win that it's got to be inevitable:

apple grows marketshare
verizon grows subscribers
att's network will get less hammered (though it loses subscribers).

we'll see if one of these parties snatches defeat from the jaws of victory...
 
thejadedmonkey said:
either way Verizon is in control.
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Verizon is losing customers in no small part to their insistence on crippling good phones just to make a buck and to make it look like "theirs". Prime example: the RAZR had Bluetooth & USB file access, making transferring photos to a PC easy & free ... but Verizon ripped out that ability in favor of forcing customers to either transfer photos at $0.05 each or do a physical card swap, both of which are annoying at best; in addition, they were keen on making the GUI look like all other Verizon-branded phones, not caring that users want the best phone they can and don't care that it looks like a phone they don't use.

I'm sure the "it's up to Apple" includes the footnote "but we have to make it look like a lame Verizon GUI, and have to charge users for everything we possibly can". IIRC, Apple had to throw around considerable weight just to get AT&T to accept the iPhone as-is.
 
I live in the former Alltel area-now part of Verizon. I have no real choice but to use the best smart phone Verizon offers. Likely to be a storm2 or the Droid. Wish it was the iPhone, but the ball's in Apple's court on that.
 
Xenious said:
Too bad he doesn't say "hey we're sorry we don't use the wireless solution the rest of the civilized world uses." "We're changing to a GSM family solution now and maybe then we can have iPhones" hahaha
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DipDog3 said:
Verzion would take them in a minute.

Apple is just waiting for 4G so they don't have to redesign the GSM.
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+1 for both of these

I really don't think Apple would want to have two manufactuering plants to build the same device just to support different cell network standards. I'm pretty sure the cost of that would out-weigh the benefits by a pretty large margin.

My opinion is that once Verizon switches to a GSM-based network, then Apple will start looking at them as a more serious partner.
 
I would like to see Sprint get it over Verizon. If you think your bills high with AT&T wait till you get your Verizon bill. Two of the highest priced carriers in the US. Why in this economy wouldint you look elsewhere?
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I think the ad campaign is one of the best ideas, because either Apple will be forced to play ball with Verizon, or Apple will be forced to take the negative publicity, but either way Verizon is in control.
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Not necessarily. Targeting negative advertisements can back fire. Apple walks a very fine line for their switch commercials. Being too negative can back fire as people know they are being defensive from a strong competitor. So the iCant commercials may get people well what can the iPhone do and see what it does do. Also it shows that Verizon is scared of Apple. Just as Microsofts I'm a PC shows that Microsoft is scared of Apple.

The Apples switch adds while negative targets are very carefully done.
 
Maven1975 said:
I would like to see Sprint get it over Verizon. If you think your bills high with AT&T wait till you get your Verizon bill. Two of the highest priced carriers in the US. Why in this economy wouldint you look elsewhere?
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I'm not a big fan of Sprint (based on personal experience with them), but I too would like to see the iPhone on Sprint before Verizon.

People think Apple are control Nazis, but Verizon makes Apple look like open source in that regard. I doubt Apple is willing to bow to the amount of control Verizon is likely demanding.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
You know the problem with that logic don't you.

While Verizon is rolling out G4 it will takes years to be everyone. THere CDMA network they currently have will be going in place for the next 10+ years to cover every where and all phones sold to work on Verizon network will be required to work on the older network for years to come.

Case and point is look at AT&T 3G network. It still only covers a very limited area. The only reason Verizon has been able to out pace AT&T in deploying 3G network is it was more of a software update for Verizon towers compared to new equipment having to be added by AT&T. For everyone the 4G role out is requiring tower upgrades and new equipment so it will be a lot slower.
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Ah, but you are missing something.

By putting an LTE radio in the iPhone 4G you are allowing it to use all legacy networks, effectively letting Apple use the current verizon 3g network without having to design a CDMA iPhone.


From the wiki: "LTE will also support seamless passing to cell towers with older network technology such as GSM, cdmaOne, W-CDMA (UMTS), and CDMA2000."
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I think the ad campaign is one of the best ideas, because either Apple will be forced to play ball with Verizon, or Apple will be forced to take the negative publicity, but either way Verizon is in control.
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I think you're wrong here. Apple doesn't go negatively even with MICROSOFT (the company name) -- they'll prod the generic PC or lambaste the product Vista, but they don't mention Microsoft by name. They only do this because they are the underdog only in marketshare. They wouldn't give Droid the time of day in an ad unless it were bigger than them in the market. A lot bigger. It's not even out so that's not going to happen.

What will happen... People will continue to push Apple's numbers up and up and up until Verizon realizes that, to not get killed, it'll have to bow to the demands that Jobs wants in order to get the iPhone on the Verizon network. I'm sure by then, Steve will want EVEN MORE. Ha -- suck it, Verizon.

Verizon is not in the driver's seat like you think. It wants to be and it wants to still believe it'll always be. But Apple is showing the industry that people will decide on their cellphone provider because of a device -- that's really never happened before.
 
Verizon says it is up to Apple....

...provided that Apple agrees to their list of demands. Sorry all you Verizon fans, this is not going to happen until the ENTIRE Verizon Map is capable of 4G (with no reliance on CDMA). This will take another 2-3 years.

.... ....


See that map between the dots above? That's the Map of the Verizon Network that supports the iPhone today. :)
 
Having worked in the industry back in the 90s I can't speak to Verizon - but I can speak about Sprint. And I was a happy customer so this isn't some sort of rant at all.

Sprint is EXTREMELY (or was at least) VERY difficult to work with. Their requirements, review processes, etc easily delayed production on several phones to the point that the phones were just dropped altogether and adapted into new ones on other carriers.

Again - this was in the 90s and things might have gotten looser with their "input". But I'm guessing it's still pretty stringent.
 
Ambrose Chapel said:
iphone on verizon seems so win-win-win that it's got to be inevitable:

apple grows marketshare
verizon grows subscribers
att's network will get less hammered (though it loses subscribers).

we'll see if one of these parties snatches defeat from the jaws of victory...
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My money is on T-Mobile.....their network can support it right now.
 
I don't think we will see a Verizon iPhone until LTE is mostly rolled out. If they plan to have up to 30 markets ready by the end of 2010, that still leaves most of their network on CDMA. Apple would have to offer 2 chipsets on one phone. I would say 2011 is the earliest Verizon would get one, with 2012 more likely. Not only that, but would Apple play nice with Verizon considering that Verizon is mandating that all app stores go through theirs?
 
I wish the iPhone would come to Verizon only to end all of the whiney posts about how the combination would be the world's savior.:rolleyes:
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Then it means that AT&T might have to start giving the $400 subsidization to other smart phones.
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Why exactly? You seem to be overlooking basic economics: in-demand products can command higher prices.

There is no reason to be compelled to match the iPhone subsidy on a device that does not have iPhone-like demand. No reason whatsoever.
 
thejadedmonkey said:
I think the ad campaign is one of the best ideas, because either Apple will be forced to play ball with Verizon, or Apple will be forced to take the negative publicity, but either way Verizon is in control.
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You are talking like the rest of the world gives a damn about Verizon.
 
Tizz986 said:
Ah, but you are missing something.

By putting an LTE radio in the iPhone 4G you are allowing it to use all legacy networks, effectively letting Apple use the current verizon 3g network without having to design a CDMA iPhone.


From the wiki: "LTE will also support seamless passing to cell towers with older network technology such as GSM, cdmaOne, W-CDMA (UMTS), and CDMA2000."
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Can anyone else back this up? If it's true, than every carrier could be used, no?
 
Verizon is still clueless after all these years...

thejadedmonkey said:
I think the ad campaign is one of the best ideas, because either Apple will be forced to play ball with Verizon, or Apple will be forced to take the negative publicity, but either way Verizon is in control.
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From the beginning Verizon was deeply in the weeds, and completely discounted that Apple's first foray into the mobile market would be a home run. Unfortunately I have been a V customer since then, and still am. In the very beginning the V stores seemed to have pre-prepared talking points about how the iPhone was "no good". Funny how if the phone was "no good" just about every manufacturer began to rip off the look and feel of the iPhone pretty darn fast. Mobile companies also did not support the folks who were not PC based, and could afford to do so as we mac folks were in the large minority.

Speaking about Verizon being in control. Verizon also tends to crap up everything with their zeal for control, and desire to stamp their "brand" all over the place. Buy music for your phone? Sure... but only through their own store, and paying twice as much as you would through Apple. Sure, over the years I am sure the dedicated mac tech geek could get around some of the obstacles... but in the end you still would not have the iPhone.

If Verizon could get over themselves for a few minutes and realize that their market growth would be HUGE if they bent a little and actually tried to work WITH Apple (as opposed to waiting around for Apple to come to their hallowed doors). If their coverage is so superior, then what are they afraid of? How many phones have come out over the years that were supposed to be "iPhone killers"? Sorry... they mostly just sucked in comparison (and I have had a bunch of them, since ALL my phones seem to conveniently last only a year or so).

I would love the iPhone to finally come to Verizon, but I would hope that APPLE remains in control of the interface, and not Verizon. I doubt that will happen because V wants everything to go back to them... music, apps, ringtones, etc... and they are greedy.

If ATT had better plans for families, and with unlimited texting, etc. I would leave Verizon in a heartbeat. But for a family of 4 phones it doesn't make sense, at least for us in our area (sadly). Sorry, but the bad publicity is only for Verizon, and I am a long-time V customer....
cheers,
michael
 
Tizz986 said:
By putting an LTE radio in the iPhone 4G you are allowing it to use all legacy networks, effectively letting Apple use the current verizon 3g network without having to design a CDMA iPhone.
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Nope, not at all.

LTE is not technically related to GSM or CDMA. It's a different standard.

From the wiki: "LTE will also support seamless passing to cell towers with older network technology such as GSM, cdmaOne, W-CDMA (UMTS), and CDMA2000."
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Only if you have a older GSM or CDMA radio in the phone, and your LTE network is set up to support an active switchover.
 
Verizon has to get the iPhone at some point in the near future with a LTE/CDMA chip(s). VZW and Apple would not wait another ~3 years to have a win-win situation.

The biggest issue is how much profit each one can bring home.

My bet is that VZW wants a percentage of all the App/iTunes store purchases that are made from the VZW iPhone. This is the major disagreement between the two companies.
 
kdarling said:
Nope, not at all.

LTE is not technically related to GSM or CDMA. It's a different standard.



Only if you have a older GSM or CDMA radio in the phone, and your LTE network is set up to support an active switchover.
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LTE /CDMA is something that is already underway. It is the same type radio that all verizon phones that will use the LTE network will have to have.

As far as active switchover, that has been verizons plan all along. A limited rollout in 2010 will require that the network handle active switchover.

http://wwwen.zte.com.cn/endata/maga...ear/no7/articles/200907/t20090710_173701.html
 
mlblacy said:
I would love the iPhone to finally come to Verizon, but I would hope that APPLE remains in control of the interface, and not Verizon. I doubt that will happen because V wants everything to go back to them... music, apps, ringtones, etc... and they are greedy.
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they need to accept that we only want them to be a dumb pipe.
 
alm99 said:
The biggest issue is how much profit each one can bring home. My bet is that VZW wants a percentage of all the App/iTunes store purchases that are made from the VZW iPhone. This is the major disagreement between the two companies.
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I would take that bet with you... and think you are spot on...
 
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