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iPhone on Verizon: 'A Decision That is Exclusively in Apple's Court'
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I may be wrong but I believe that there are other high end smartphones who do get subsidized prices around this range.
I believe iPhone exclusivity is probably coming to an end. There are many stories today about exclusivity deals that are ending in Canada and the UK. Right now I just think Apple is playing the field hoping to come out with the best deal they possibly can, hence the Verizon rep saying the ball is in their court. That best deal though may be an overwhelming offer from AT&T for exclusivity.
My big question is, lets say Apple does release a 4G iPhone that is Verizon compatible. Wouldn't that iPhone also have to be backward compatible for CDMA 3G? And would such a phone with both 4G & CDMA be able to be produced in the same physical shape as the current iPhone with no greater thickness?
I ask this because there is no way in hell Apple will make a bulkier iPhone just to support Verizon because we already know Verizon isn't going out of their way to make many or any concessions to Apple and basically turned down the original iPhone so it's unlikely Apple is going to offer any new concessions. Why would they with sales as they are now? I wonder if maybe Apple strikes a deal instead for just a budget $99 3G CDMA iPhone for Verizon when ATT roles out its 4G network.
Verizon is trying to have its cake and eat it too, attack the iPhone, but at the same time keep the door open to talks with Apple. It'll be interesting to see what the sales on some of these new smartphones like Droid and Pre and others end up being. I just don't see Verizon making any concessions to Apple until it's clear the competitors are not selling well and it starts hurting Verizon's bottom line.
I ask this because there is no way in hell Apple will make a bulkier iPhone just to support Verizon because we already know Verizon isn't going out of their way to make many or any concessions to Apple and basically turned down the original iPhone so it's unlikely Apple is going to offer any new concessions. Why would they with sales as they are now? I wonder if maybe Apple strikes a deal instead for just a budget $99 3G CDMA iPhone for Verizon when ATT roles out its 4G network.
Verizon is trying to have its cake and eat it too, attack the iPhone, but at the same time keep the door open to talks with Apple. It'll be interesting to see what the sales on some of these new smartphones like Droid and Pre and others end up being. I just don't see Verizon making any concessions to Apple until it's clear the competitors are not selling well and it starts hurting Verizon's bottom line.
Translation -
Yep, Apple is more than welcome to bring the iPhone to Verizon if they agree to our terms.
Yep, Apple is more than welcome to bring the iPhone to Verizon if they agree to our terms.
Damn. /thread already and we're only on page two?
Seriously Verizon is trying to pump out craps...i mean "apps" and their customers are noticeably angry at the scant selection (take a look at a VZW forum sometime) and VZW would try to extend the same rights (i.e. take some revenue) from the iPhone which jobs wouldn't have.
Dumb fools. I know choice is good and all, but Verizon has had their chance. If they didn't agree back then I doubt they will agree now. VZW doesn't realize that even though they forgoe app/music revenues they can still make a good dime off the outrageous data fees.
I bet there was also a dispute about branding the phone (having that stupid little check under the Apple logo) lol and Steve and VZW going to bat over it.
Interestingly enough that may be true. There seems to be some debate going around that, while Android may be open, it's also helping carriers to push their overpriced services and allowing them to have greater control over the hardware/software of the phone.
http://venturebeat.com/2009/10/24/android-phones-give-carrier-services-more-muscle/
I hear good things about Verizon's network. But nobody seems to like their phones. I don't think anyone would want a crippled iPhone. It's hard to imagine Apple releasing an iPhone stripped of the iTunes store access. And without the Apps it's not really an iPhone.
I think Apple will wait for Verizon to give in. In the meantime they can offer the iPhone on T-Mobile without changing anything.
I think Apple will wait for Verizon to give in. In the meantime they can offer the iPhone on T-Mobile without changing anything.
You are wrong.
I just go threw and look at different smart phones from AT&T
BB bold - $449 with no contract. $150 contract rebate + another $100 mail = $250
Samsung Jack
No Commitment Pricing $329.99
2-yr Contract Price $179.99
Total Due Today $179.99
Mail-in Rebate via AT&T Promotion Card† - $100.00
Price After Mail-in Rebate $79.99
Total $250
Those are just 2. I did not feel like going threw and showing them all but minus the iPhone they are all priced like that. Hell some of the smart phones only have a total of a $200 discount.
Apple is getting a huge drop in price and its sales are artificiality inflated because they are priced lower than everyone else. It is hard to compete with phone when they can undersell you by 100-150 more in a discount. Apple is has a huge edge there by forcing a bigger discount.
I doubt we'll ever see the iPhone on Verizon's network. Think about how Verizon insists on installing their own "crapware" on their phones and placing their loge everywhere on the case. Now think about how Apple would never, ever, EVER allow something like on their product.
It's not happening, folks.
It's not happening, folks.
Like I said I could be wrong but I wasn't thinking about those phones. I was thinking more like the $700 unsubsidized Nokia phones and the unsubsidized price was pretty high (close or same to iPhone) for the Pre when it debuted. I'd also be curious as to how much is subsidized of the BB Tour consider it's only $149 w/ Verizon.
Even the Bold you mentioned original debuted at an unsubsidized price of $660 before it lowered as sales went down in competition with the iPhone. The thing is that Apple gets that kind of money because no other phone brings in those kinds of subscribers.
Just want to point out, the different network technologies is not preventing the iPhone from coming to Verizon -- we're taking millions of phones here. The cost of the redesign, supporting another variation, etc. is a drop in the bucket.
And, speaking as someone who bought both the original and 3gs iphones on day one, the iDon't and "map for that" ads are compelling. They are nailing what's wrong with the iphone. Not that I think the droid will be better -- could be, but I doubt it. It's nice to see Apple get nailed, though, because hopefully they'll improve.
And, speaking as someone who bought both the original and 3gs iphones on day one, the iDon't and "map for that" ads are compelling. They are nailing what's wrong with the iphone. Not that I think the droid will be better -- could be, but I doubt it. It's nice to see Apple get nailed, though, because hopefully they'll improve.
Nah, if Nokia can afford to do it with their $0 handsets, Apple can for the iPhone. It's not about development costs. As I see it, the problem is twofold:
1) carriers that use CDMA are used to lock-in. Unlike GSM, you can't easily switch a phone from one carrier to another, as there is no SIM card you can move. So the carriers have lock-in on the brain. That means they want lock-in on everything - music stores, apps stores, etc.
2) Apple could have added an ADB or RS-232 to the iMac for basically zero cost. But they didn't. They didn't because those technologies are the past, and Teh Steve clearly has a desire to drive the entire technology world forward onto the beat of his own drummer.
GSM and CDMA is exactly the same issue. It's not that Apple can't do this, mechanically or financially, it's that they won't. And more power to them, as we can now see that all the carriers are moving to the GSM track. Yeah, they would have anyone, but so would PC's to USB - eventually.
Maury
"The ball is in apple's court."
I.E. "We have our terms and we aren't budging one bit."
Don't these ass holes realize they'd be cashing in if they'd just agree to Apple's effin terms and just carry the damn thing?
I.E. "We have our terms and we aren't budging one bit."
Don't these ass holes realize they'd be cashing in if they'd just agree to Apple's effin terms and just carry the damn thing?
Maybe, but likely not. Generally when you put in the new frequencies you get everything back to 1G GSM for free. They might not want you to use it, because 4G gets more people per MHz, but the chance they'll turn it off is not clear.
Case in point - Bell is rolling out their HSPDA+ network here in Toronto as we speak (it goes live on the 7th). I can pick up their cells on the 2G, they come up as all-number carriers.
Maury
Um, you don't spit in Steve Job's face and then say, "I'll be your friend if you want me to be."
He won't be, end of story.
He won't be, end of story.
They would still need a CDMA chip in the phone as a fallback when not able to access 4G/LTE.
For a few billion dollars, he will be. This wasn't a personal attack - it's business. Steve plays by the same rules, as an earlier poster noted in Apple's direct attacks on Intel's ads in the 90s.
i really doubt people are looking at apple in a negative light because of the verizon commercials. The commercial about the new droid phone is irrelevant...those kind of commercials will spark interest in the phone, but when comes down to it...the commercial doesnt address any of the major problems people have with the iphone.
The commercial with the maps is better for an ad against att but its misleading because most of the areas where att has 3G is where most people live. Verizon has like all of montana covered in red (which makes them look good) but who is in montana using iphones and such...not many. you would be shocked at how small an area most americans actually live.
Now that I think of it, I guess if anything, the attack was on AT&T. People who like the iPhone would jump ship in a second to go over to Verizon.
All this says to me is that Verizon is wanting Apple to make concessions. I.e., No Apple App Store. It would need to be Verizon's App Store.
And there is no way in hell Apple is going to allow that.
This is the the reason we are all stuck with ATT for right now.
I'm not passing judgement either way. I'm on ATT business, which is leaps and bounds better than ATT consumer.So network doesn't matter all that much to me. There's also not too many iPhones in my area, so I'm fine wherever I go.
This may have been the case in the past but I doubt it is now. Verizon is not getting their own BB or Android store so there is no reason they could hold out for a Verizon iPhone store.
This could be the case but again Verizon needs to stop the bleeding of customers to AT&T. I think they see the handwriting on the wall.
Verizon know that if they tried that no one would buy it. You don't see them doing this with the BB or Android phone so they won't try it with Apple.
Your wrong on both counts. They don't insist that their crapware is put on the BB or Andriod phones and it will be the same with the iPhone.
So the bottom line is that Verizon knows they can't play the Disable WiFi, GPS, App stores and only their software on any of the new Smart Phones like they do with dumb phones. They know they have to play in the NEW open market or they'll loose customers.
If you believe anything else you fooling you self.
There's so much hearsay and just flat out made-up information about Verizon in this thread it's kind of disturbing. It reminds me of when Windows users say Macs don't have a right-click.
I see the iPhone as no different than a "Google-experience" phone (the Droid). Verizon seems fine in letting Google have complete control over the software and leaving the hardware alone, so why would dealing with Apple be any different?
I see the iPhone as no different than a "Google-experience" phone (the Droid). Verizon seems fine in letting Google have complete control over the software and leaving the hardware alone, so why would dealing with Apple be any different?
What bleeding?
When you take out the MVNO numbers (i.e. excluding Tracfone for AT&T Wireless, and excluding Jitterbug cell phones [targeted for senior citizens] for Verizon Wireless) --- Verizon Wireless got 1 million new customers this quarter and AT&T got 1.2 million new customers this quarter.
Getting beaten by a mere 200K in subscriber addition for a full iphone launch quarter --- that's pretty impressive for Verizon.
