Well, that's the problem . . . how to gauge whether another carrier isn't going to screw things up. Apple would certainly be expected to insist on the iTunes/App Store revenue generation, meanwhile VZW is a well known serial crippler of mobile devices. So, it's going to be an interesting negotiation situation, especially since VZW has already been talking up it's 2010 Palm future.
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ummmm you cant say that.. if verizon had 16-20million new customers on its network .. you dont know how it would react.. so please dont act like you would know what it would be like on verizon,... i do not agree with ATT at all about tethering or MMS.. but also dont think verizons network could handle it any better.
Considering that VZ consistently wins year after year on their network quality and consistency, I have to disagree with you.
Then again, until iPhone goes to VZW (which will happen eventually), we'll never know.
w00master
Yes, because they dont have a massive influx of customers in a very short period of time. Like the guy you quoted (but didnt make an adequate reply to) said, Verizon has not had to deal with the amount of new customers AT&T has had to. On top of that, its not just that AT&T has millions upon millions of new contracts, the iPhone's are required to have a data plan so all of them are using a lot of data (due to the simplicity of internet browsing, etc.. on the iPhone, thanks Apple
). Have verizon activate 20 million iPhones and see how their network handles it. That, coupled with their gay VCast, UI, device crippling, and spokesman, and no thank you Verizon
This topic has been in my thoughts as well..
Verizon has the best coverage, but the crappiest phones, and then they cripple whatever is left on the phone
ATT's coverage is a step below where I am at in Ohio, yet they have better phones, do not cripple them and offer the Iphone...
I would like my cake and eat it too....
I am taking my four lines from VZW and moving them to ATT...I am tired of waiting for a decent phone as I am in sales and travel 200 days of the year. VZW's and RIM's Storm is Horrible and the "Tour" is nothing but an updated curve....not to mention I cannot stand Rim's interface.
Verizon has the best coverage, but the crappiest phones, and then they cripple whatever is left on the phone
ATT's coverage is a step below where I am at in Ohio, yet they have better phones, do not cripple them and offer the Iphone...
I would like my cake and eat it too....
I am taking my four lines from VZW and moving them to ATT...I am tired of waiting for a decent phone as I am in sales and travel 200 days of the year. VZW's and RIM's Storm is Horrible and the "Tour" is nothing but an updated curve....not to mention I cannot stand Rim's interface.
Just because Verizon is transitioning to LTE for their 4G network does not mean they are abandoning CDMA anytime soon. An iPhone on Verizon would still have to support the legacy EVDO and 1x networks as well, unless of course Apple has the iPhone run exclusively on the LTE network which seems unlikely because 4G coverage will be quite limited when the network is first deployed.
In NYC network-wise, Verizon > Sprint >>> AT&T >>>>>>>>T-Mobile. One month prior, I had been on VZW service for 6+ years and haven't experienced the amount of dropped calls, voice-echoes, data network congestion, and unresponsive dialing-out in that period than I have in the 20+ days with AT&T. It's too bad I like the iPhone this much.
swingerofbirch
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Yes, because they dont have a massive influx of customers in a very short period of time. Like the guy you quoted (but didnt make an adequate reply to) said, Verizon has not had to deal with the amount of new customers AT&T has had to. On top of that, its not just that AT&T has millions upon millions of new contracts, the iPhone's are required to have a data plan so all of them are using a lot of data (due to the simplicity of internet browsing, etc.. on the iPhone, thanks Apple
When you say something is gay to mean it's bad, do you realize what you are saying? It may seem insignificant, but to the young people who use this forum who are frightened out of their minds by the prospect of their sexuality, it can be quite significant to constantly have gay=bad everywhere.
True, but LTE in theory should make it far more easier for phone manufacturers. This is one of the many reasons (besides the obvious speed increases) why phone manufacturers are excited by LTE.
If you doubt that Apple won't be on VZW eventually, then I don't know what to say. It will happen. It's just a matter of time.
w00master
That isn't enough help. Apparently this one needs to be WALKED all the way there....
https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=16275261
Wow dude, you go around on these forums answering people like that?? Why are some people so rude on here? The dude is just asking a question, chill
AT&T is absolutely terrible. I came over from Verizon and there coverage sucks. I even like in Pittsburgh where there is supposably, good coverage. There is soooo many more people on Verizon in the US than ATT. That says something itself, idc what type of people are there, but the fact is, is that there is most of the US on verizon. It surprises me too because Apple always wants the best of the best....
Yes, I realize exactly what I am saying. It can also be quite significant to have the word b*tch used loosely among males as a casual insult but no one complains about that any more. People are too sensitive about "gay" these days, there are words in the english language that may be offensive by definition but not in context. Gay and b*tch are examples. If i am not calling a homosexual person "gay" as an insult, then what is the problem? If i am calling my male friend a b*tch and not calling a woman a b*tch as an insult no one even gives it a second thought. It doesnt pertain to you so move along. Thats my opinion anyways but this is about Verizon and Apple, not my choice to use a word
Again, where are the 20 million iPhones constantly using large amounts of data on Verizon's network. Oh...
UGH. You do know that AT&T already have the iPhone. (Probably Years before Verizon).
Exactly. From Apple's standpoint, would you rather try a company's 4G network that you have been (apparently) very pleased with for the past few years or just dump them for a company that rejected you in the first place who is now, not only employing a new 4G network, but are switching from CDMA to GSM, which will probably encounter some speed bumps?
What does this have anything to do with the discussion?
Surprised (especially after WWDC) ANYONE defending AT&T.
All I'm stating is that Apple going to VZW is an eventuality, and it's been shown time and time again that VZW does have the best network in the U.S.
These are all facts, what's your point?
w00master
VZW is the largest carrier in the U.S. with the largest 3G network in the U.S. with the most 3G subscribers in the U.S.
Again, so what?
Are you seriously that in love with AT&T, who btw CAN'T EVEN GET MMS ON THE IPHONE ON LAUNCH DAY?
w00master
Dumb move by AT&T, I'll give you that. But Verizon rejecting Apple in the first place was pretty dumb too
It is? For all you know Apple and AT&T can extend their contract to 2020. And for your "best network" arguments, see my posts (which you conveniently decided to ignore
):edit: jk you replied, no im not in love with AT&T, but to say that a company that doesnt have 20 million data hungry phones has a lot better network than a company that does is a little ridiculous
LTE has nothing to do with going from CDMA to GSM. The distinction will still be there (in some fashion).
w00master
Dumb move by AT&T, I'll give you that. But Verizon rejecting Apple in the first place was pretty dumb too
It is? For all you know Apple and AT&T can extend their contract to 2020. And for your "best network" arguments, see my posts (which you conveniently decided to ignore
:edit: jk you replied, no im not in love with AT&T, but to say that a company that doesnt have 20 million data hungry phones has a lot better network than a company that does is a little ridiculous
I haven't ignored your arguments, I have provided you with JD Powers, consumer reports... There's this thing... Google? Heck, Bing!
There's a thing called "saturation," eventually Apple will have to go to add another network in the U.S. Count on it.
w00master
It doesnt? My bad, I stand corrected
Yes but you seem to miss the point...a lot. Verizon has a more reliable 3G network because it has a lot less traffic and data use than AT&T and its 20 million+ iPhones. If Verizon had 20 million iPhones using its 3G network I'll bet we'd be hearing the same complaints about Verizon that we do about AT&T. If you can show me that Verizon has more 3G enabled phones using its 3G network than AT&T and its 20 mill iPhones and it still has a better network then I will shutup, until then tho you cant compare the 2 companies' networks
More likely than not, Apple will go with the carrier that offers them the best deal under contract terms, otherwise shareholders might be a little miffed. VZW would have to exempt any Apple product from their proprietary carrier products, like VCast, and then hope to make up the revenue in user subscriptions.
Talking to ppl like this will get you nothing but blank stares or wise A$$ remarks. It has been beaten to death, but it doesn't look like Verizon would ever get the iPhone because Apple likes to have control over everything and Verizon has basically their own apps, services etc. Also CDMA is going away soon so everyone will be on GSM, then it will not matter because the iPhone is a GSM phone anyway.
Your only asking the same question we all ponder, but it looks like the iPhone will be with ATT a little more unless Apple is holding this news under their hat not to piss off ATT and get everyone's hopes up.
Well you got me there, I doubt there's any report that will show this.
On the point of potential 20 mil iPhone users on VZ? Perhaps, but I really doubt it would be nearly as bad as AT&T. You have to remember that VZW had at least a 2 year head start in building their 3G network. This is the reason why VZW has far better coverage that AT&T does. Heck, VZW's coverage is BETTER than AT&T's EDGE coverage.
Ultimately, I don't deny we are dealing with theoreticals, but my point still stands:
Eventually you'll see an iPhone on VZW and other networks.
It's just like iPod going to Windows. It'll be the same with the iPhone. It's in Apple's best interest to be on as many U.S. wireless networks as they can in order to maximize the possibility of selling more of their products.
w00master