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Very nice, works quite well.

I guess the only downside is for the developer, because now they have to pay for extra bandwidth, no? ...Is there a way to charge for these web based apps?
 
Hehe, way to be one of the first to get an app out there for the iPhone. You're getting lots of publicity :D
 
I guess the only downside is for the developer, because now they have to pay for extra bandwidth, no? ...Is there a way to charge for these web based apps?
Why certainly. Commonly done through a registration/payment process and then access to the web app via username/password.
 
For all of those who can't access OneTrip (has it been Macrumored?), here's what it looks like inside of the Java simulator. The simulator is very basic, home button and Safari buttons are just static images, scrolling and double click for zooming all don't work, but it gives you an idea.

Here's what it looks like:

2cenyu


If you can store those websites/apps locally on the iPhone and have cookies and some options like "disable zooming with pinch or double tap" and "hide Safari interface" this would indeed be a cool way to make apps for the iPhone. If you think about it, widgets are mostly based on web stuff, Safari can render widgets too.

References:
- iPhone simulator: http://hortiz.no/iphone/
- OneTrip shopping list: http://www.mrgan.com/onetrip/index.php
 
Hehe, way to be one of the first to get an app out there for the iPhone. You're getting lots of publicity :D

Anyone can make an iPhone app now, just sign up at one of the many Web 2.0 sites and build your app, dabbledb would be a good place to start. I am not connected to them in any way, by the way.
 
Why certainly. Commonly done through a registration/payment process and then access to the web app via username/password.
I thought about that, but it sounds like a tedious process for the user to register and then type in his/her username & password ever time they wanted to make a shopping list (whereas, with a "real" app you pay a one time download fee).
 
I thought about that, but it sounds like a tedious process for the user to register and then type in his/her username & password ever time they wanted to make a shopping list (whereas, with a "real" app you pay a one time download fee).

Hmmm... why not pay for the app when you register, then store your credentials in iPhones keychain? You wouldn't be able to use the app offline tho :(
 
I thought about that, but it sounds like a tedious process for the user to register and then type in his/her username & password ever time they wanted to make a shopping list (whereas, with a "real" app you pay a one time download fee).
That's just one option. There are others. Not sure what the "keychain" support on the iPhone will be.
 
iphone.org domain name speculation

First off, this is my first post (I usually use the website to browse), so please, no newbie bashing ;)

Anyhow, this may have been mentioned, but, will the iphone.org domain name play a role in the upcoming "safari-based" applications? From my understanding (or lack thereof), these applications will utilize safari as their foundation and then run / execute within safari's browser. In my view, it seems that it would be difficult to download each specified "safari-based" program, whereas it would be easier for programmers to upload their work to the domain name; thus, being easier for Apple to disseminate the programs...

...something to the affect of accessing a website to use the program (does that make sense?); e.g.: iphone.org/ProgramXYZ

Again, not so sure if that's even a feasible possibility, but just a thought...
 
I thought about that, but it sounds like a tedious process for the user to register and then type in his/her username & password ever time they wanted to make a shopping list (whereas, with a "real" app you pay a one time download fee).

Think iTunes Store
 
Holy cow.

OneTrip has gotten 350,000+ hits this morning... before 10 am PST. Stay strong, my little server!

Thanks everyone for your kind words and suggestions! I'm sorry that I can't answer all the questions posted in this thread - I promise to make a FAQ on the OneTrip website. By the way, I will be moving the website to onetrip.org in the next few days. The current url will redirect there.

If I can make a small plea... does anyone have a tough, PHP-enabled server they could offer some hosting on? Please contact me if you can... I have no intention of making OneTrip a commercial project, so I'd appreciate any help I could get.
 
First off, this is my first post (I usually use the website to browse), so please, no newbie bashing ;)

Anyhow, this may have been mentioned, but, will the iphone.org domain name play a role in the upcoming "safari-based" applications? From my understanding (or lack thereof), these applications will utilize safari as their foundation and then run / execute within safari's browser. In my view, it seems that it would be difficult to download each specified "safari-based" program, whereas it would be easier for programmers to upload their work to the domain name; thus, being easier for Apple to disseminate the programs...

...something to the affect of accessing a website to use the program (does that make sense?); e.g.: iphone.org/ProgramXYZ

Again, not so sure if that's even a feasible possibility, but just a thought...

That would be awesome! Apple could definitely do something like that. Like offering widget downloads now. The question is, do they want to offer a place to host apps for free? Theoretically it could be a bandwidth drain on apple, but I'm sure it wouldn't be that bad...definitely not more than something like apple.com/trailers.
 
Holy cow.

OneTrip has gotten 350,000+ hits this morning... before 10 am PST. Stay strong, my little server!

Thanks everyone for your kind words and suggestions! I'm sorry that I can't answer all the questions posted in this thread - I promise to make a FAQ on the OneTrip website. By the way, I will be moving the website to onetrip.org in the next few days. The current url will redirect there.

If I can make a small plea... does anyone have a tough, PHP-enabled server they could offer some hosting on? Please contact me if you can... I have no intention of making OneTrip a commercial project, so I'd appreciate any help I could get.

DAAAAANG...Nice work Neven! The app is awesome. You've been labeled all over as the first 3rd party app developer for the iphone! Gotta feel pretty good.
 
Hi Neven, great start. You had a good idea, and acted on it. We should all be so motivated. I'd like to suggest an alternative to your list above.

Backstory: My father's a retired accountant, so he's meticulous--some would say obsessive--about lists. When I was young he typed up a list of all the items he ever got at the supermarket, with a box in front of each so he could check the ones he needed that week (in those days you typed left-bracket right-bracket like this [] to make a box). He organized them by categories, and then further by the sequence in which those categories appeared on the shelves as he walked through his supermarket! The list fit on one page. He made a bunch of copies of his list, and used one per week. Items could be checked over several days, as the need for them was noted, and when it was time to go to the store the list was ready and tailored for an efficient food-shopping experience.

The list served particularly well when my mom was hospitalized for a year and dad had to run a household, care for an infant daughter, and keep his job.
So what's to learn from him?

1. Shopping lists are personal.
Some posters have noted their desire for a more vegetarian orientation, for example. Others will want to remind themselves of the brand or size of a product they prefer to get. My dad's list was his list. Your type-in function allows that personalization: the question is how it's best utilized.

2. Shopping lists need to be comprehensive.
It's four decades since my dad typed his list, but I think your project could best serve users if it emulated his approach, to develop a personalized list of all the items the user ever purchases at the grocery. Using the app then requires the user to simply access it at any time during the week, click on items as the need for them is noted (no new entry necessary) and then make a final sweep of the pantry and frig before leaving for the store. Note that with this procedure even if you're out and have failed to make that final check, but find yourself driving past the grocery and remembering you need milk, you'll have a reasonably current list with you and won't end up at home afterwards thinking, "s**t, i needed toilet paper, too." And if you're in the store and try something new, you can add it to your iPhone OneTrip list on the spot.

3. It's the first column of OneTrip that counts.
The end product is the shopping list and that's where the emphasis should be. I see two ways OneTrip could achieve that. The first is if the comprehensive, personalized list is built during set-up to be the first column, and thereafter the user simply scans down it to see what's checked, and thus needed. Alternately, as the user selects items in a comprehensive list in column two, those items move to create the week's contents of column one. In this case, everything in column one is a needed item, rather than only those items that have been checked. I prefer this latter approach: as the week proceeds, column one grows, and is your shopping list. But column two remains your pool of possibilities.

4. Categories may need to be re-thought.
They could be expanded greatly to suggest many more possibilities for first-time users during setup. They could be imposed on the "comprehensive" list I'm proposing, so that it doesn't become unwieldy. Better yet, perhaps there's a way to weight the elements of the list so that those that are selected most frequently (or always?) move not just to the top of the list, but to a special category on the comlprehensive list, similar to the Finder's "recent folders" category. A user could quickly scan the contents of that category and choose a "select all" button, or un-check just a few that aren't needed at the moment and then select the category, quickly moving onto the final list a large number of staples with minimal input.

My dad's 86 now. He gave up his computer last year when he was exhausted by the spam and viruses choking his Windows machine (I know, we should have gotten him a mac, and that's a different story). But your OneTrip app (applet?) would impress him as a way computers could improve on the methods he developed decades ago. Imagine: in those pre-word processor days, he had to retype the whole list just to add an item in its appropriate section. Now, editing's immediate, and the list is always at hand. A better shopping list! Like the proverbial better moustrap, that is progress. Well done.

peace
terry

Talk about a well thought out response. We could all learn from that.

Neven, congrats on the app. I look forward to using it and hope you refine it based on user suggestions.
 
Once SlingPlayer works (however it works), I'm getting the iPhone.

And not before.

(I'm trying to avoid buying things that I hope someday will address my needs)
 
Here's what it looks like:

Cool - I'm on Windows and so couldn't view the app properly. (I'll download and play with the Windows Safari beta over the weekend).

While creating apps in this way is far from ideal, I think we'll see some pretty innovative stuff being made available - and soon.

Can't wait!

:D

Rod.
 
I'm thinkin on buying iPhone when it come here again.
And thank you for this magnificent web app for Nokia E70, which has screen smaller than iPhone, but with better resolution.

That's great.

Re: standards, I *could* make OneTrip cross-browser, but I don't have any burning desire to do so. I'm specifically targeting iPhone users.
 
Holy cow.

OneTrip has gotten 350,000+ hits this morning... before 10 am PST. Stay strong, my little server!

If I can make a small plea... does anyone have a tough, PHP-enabled server they could offer some hosting on? Please contact me if you can... I have no intention of making OneTrip a commercial project, so I'd appreciate any help I could get.

Check with AmbitiousLemon...

We could host it. We've had a number of sites handle a slashdotting just fine. Just IM,PM or EMail me and we'll set it up ASAP.
 
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