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iPhone OS 4.0 Preview Event Scheduled for This Thursday
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How can multitasking work with a lousy 256mb of ram in both the 3GS and even the ipad. Multitasking relies heavily on ram. It would be a disaster in my opinion. Maybe in some new hardware versions, but in the current crop we will be back to iphone 1.0 slowness.
Multitasking works great already on a jailbroken 3gs. I'm sure it would run even better if Apple implements it. Where is the logic behind your statement?
Yeah, but at least up until now, you still got *some* of each OS upgrade's features. I wonder if 4.0 will be the first time owners of first-gen iPhones will be locked out.
Zero chance. Unless you mean the ability to upgrade the iPad to OS 4.0 this summer. In which case: 100% chance.
they found 3,1 iphone back in jan of 09. its just early models of the 2011 iphone. just like the iphone 3g had no huge hardware changes but the fact that it had 3g. 3,2 will most likely have 4g.
LOL
I've got friend who have multiple user accounts on their Android device.
It mostly get's used as a parental thing. If one of their kids needs to use their phone, or wants to play a game etc. Then my friends quickly switch the account which presents the children with a different set of apps, contacts, background etc. kind of a way to safeguard their information and make sure the kids don't (accidentally) get into stuff that they shouldn't.
It's actually quite useful.
I could also see business uses if a department has an 'on-call' phone they pass around, or provides phones to various people.
How can multitasking work with a lousy 256mb of ram in both the 3GS and even the ipad. Multitasking relies heavily on ram. It would be a disaster in my opinion. Maybe in some new hardware versions, but in the current crop we will be back to iphone 1.0 slowness.
True dat.
That is not always the case.
It depends on the specifics of the case you are talking about. It is a mistake to believe that Multitasking in and of itself is RAM heavy. You can multitask on a PIC processor if you want. It is more of a question of what a particular app does, needs and the time it takes to do its thing. IPods have been able to handle music playback via multitasking for a very long time now. Once an app is sent to background it is up to the programmer to decide how much it should use in the way of resources.
You aren't wrong either. Every time I'm running Safari and I receive an E-Mail I can tell just from the sluggishness I see in Safari. This is of course on an outdate iPhone 3G but still highlights what happens when CPU resources are taxed to much. The thing here is that not all apps have to tax the platform while in background like Mail does. It is a mixed bag that will pay off more for certain users than others. In any event it is nothing to complain about as you don't have to run background tasks.
Dave
How can multitasking work with a lousy 256mb of ram in both the 3GS and even the ipad. Multitasking relies heavily on ram. It would be a disaster in my opinion. Maybe in some new hardware versions, but in the current crop we will be back to iphone 1.0 slowness.
It depends on the specifics of the case you are talking about. It is a mistake to believe that Multitasking in and of itself is RAM heavy. You can multitask on a PIC processor if you want. It is more of a question of what a particular app does, needs and the time it takes to do its thing. IPods have been able to handle music playback via multitasking for a very long time now. Once an app is sent to background it is up to the programmer to decide how much it should use in the way of resources.
You aren't wrong either. Every time I'm running Safari and I receive an E-Mail I can tell just from the sluggishness I see in Safari. This is of course on an outdate iPhone 3G but still highlights what happens when CPU resources are taxed to much. The thing here is that not all apps have to tax the platform while in background like Mail does. It is a mixed bag that will pay off more for certain users than others. In any event it is nothing to complain about as you don't have to run background tasks.
Dave
How long has iTunes been for more than music? They aren't about to rename that now. Same goes for the iPhoneOS. Frankly I think they should have thought about this long before calling it that and pigeon holing themselves into keeping it, but I have a feeling it's here to stay.
I hope 4.0 does not slow down 3gs / Ipad
Seems like these devices were designed to run one app at at time due to memory constraints 256MB and Apple's decision to not put more ram in these.
Seems only logical that multitasking will only slow the performance.
Seems like these devices were designed to run one app at at time due to memory constraints 256MB and Apple's decision to not put more ram in these.
Seems only logical that multitasking will only slow the performance.
This is what has my brain tumbling. "iPhone" OS on my iPad? download apps/movies/etc/etc on something called "tunes" ... there has to be some naming consolidation / unification coming...
mobileOS. iStore.
Only in the sense that they provide a way to store data and a way to detect if your app is going to quit. It's a lot of work to serialize all of one's datastructures to use these mechanisms. There is no SDK function that is the equivalent of putting a notebook to sleep, where the memory is just paged automatically to flash and restored on re-load.
How can multitasking work with a lousy 256mb of ram in both the 3GS and even the ipad. Multitasking relies heavily on ram. It would be a disaster in my opinion. Maybe in some new hardware versions, but in the current crop we will be back to iphone 1.0 slowness.
With all due respect, Windows XP works just fine with 256Mb and that's a major desktop OS. It's only recently that memory has gotten cheap enough to allow multi-gig machines.
If Apple optimises the OS properly and is sensible about how the multi-tasking works I see no reason why at least the iPhone 3GS and third gen iPod Touch couldn't multi-task, at least for a controlled number of apps.
What I really want from OS 4.0 more than anything?
UNIFIED NOTIFICATION SYSTEM.
For the love of all that, I'm sick and tired of getting a SMS "Pop up" during a call, then after finishing the call, hitting "end call" endlessly realizing that YOU NEED TO CLEAR THE D*MN SMS POPUP FIRST.
Terrible. TERRIBLE. UI design. It's the one thing I absolutely hate about my iPhone.
My gut tells me that Multitasking is a definite for OS 4.0. It's this year's "Cut/Copy/Paste." I'll honestly be surprised if 4.0 doesn't have multitasking of some kind.
w00master
UNIFIED NOTIFICATION SYSTEM.
For the love of all that, I'm sick and tired of getting a SMS "Pop up" during a call, then after finishing the call, hitting "end call" endlessly realizing that YOU NEED TO CLEAR THE D*MN SMS POPUP FIRST.
Terrible. TERRIBLE. UI design. It's the one thing I absolutely hate about my iPhone.
My gut tells me that Multitasking is a definite for OS 4.0. It's this year's "Cut/Copy/Paste." I'll honestly be surprised if 4.0 doesn't have multitasking of some kind.
w00master
Finally!
I was waiting for the iPad launch to come and go, so they can get around to showing us iPhone OS 4.0. I will be keeping an eye on this, and i hope that Apple hasn't been resting on its laurels here.
I would rather like to see some improvements on Apple implementations, rather than stuff that developers would use.
Stuff i would like to see:
The standard requests
- Multitasking.....to be honest im not too fussed about this one
- More informative lock screen
- Folders for apps
- Disk mode, for document storage and email attachments (both receive and send)
- new implementation for notifications - i turned off most push notifications because it was so bothersome
- No more restricting features dependent on Carrier, if your OS supports 3G VOIP, every iPhone should do it. If your OS supports tethering every iPhone in the world should be able to do it, regardless of what the carrier wants. etc etc...So remove the app download restrictions, and the podcast restrictions
Apple Apps
Calendar
- Landscape Week View
Safari
- caching previously viewed pages, i have 32GB of disk space, use it
Youtube and videos in general
- Music fades out when you watch one, then when its finished it doesn't fade back in
- make it fade back in
iPod/iTunes
- Wifi Syncing like the Zune....and Windows Phone 7
- Music only quick sync, there have been so many time when i just want to add one song/podcast episode, but couldn't be bothered with the time it takes to sync so i just emailed it to myself, but with a quicker music only sync which skips apps/backup etc would be a great feature or failing that.....
- add song from email
Weather
- Live app picture update....a live tile similar to Window Phone 7
Maps
- The only thing i want here is Google Navigation
Do something more with bluetooth!
- I had the original iPhone, and throughout 1.0, 2.0 bluetooth was crap, with only handsfree support. Then 3.0 came with A2DP, tethering and support for developers.
- Bluetooth is capable of so much more.
- I want Apple to implement bluetooth picture transfer and contact transfer as standard in the OS, and not to just to other Apple devices, but to everyother mobile device. (Music transfer is an unrealistic hope/request)
- They added A2DP with 3.0, now take it one step further with AVRCP
- Connection to PC/MAC could be improved (to be explained later on)
Now stuff which is a bit more left field:
iPad integration
Apple needs to increase the reason for someone to own both, enhance its utility equation. I would get an iPad (which currently i am not) if they can do the following
- Let the iPad and iPhone integrate with each other over bluetooth as a constant connection
- Let the iPhone share its internet connection with the iPad
- While it connected together, if i get a call, make it pop up on the ipad too, and let me take the call through the iPad's speaker and microphone if i want to
- Let sms alerts popup too and the ability to reply
- Like the above two, but let me call someone from the iPad through the iphone, or email/sms/mms
- View calendar items from the phone (if not syncing over the cloud) and be able to edit them on the iPad and the change be on the iPhone
Take it further with Mac/PC integration
- Like the above but with a Mac or PC
- Being able to reply to a text with a real keyboard
- Taking a call with the microphone on your Laptop while your phone is still in your pocket
I don't know, these are just my ideas...but i am looking forward to the event.
I was waiting for the iPad launch to come and go, so they can get around to showing us iPhone OS 4.0. I will be keeping an eye on this, and i hope that Apple hasn't been resting on its laurels here.
I would rather like to see some improvements on Apple implementations, rather than stuff that developers would use.
Stuff i would like to see:
The standard requests
- Multitasking.....to be honest im not too fussed about this one
- More informative lock screen
- Folders for apps
- Disk mode, for document storage and email attachments (both receive and send)
- new implementation for notifications - i turned off most push notifications because it was so bothersome
- No more restricting features dependent on Carrier, if your OS supports 3G VOIP, every iPhone should do it. If your OS supports tethering every iPhone in the world should be able to do it, regardless of what the carrier wants. etc etc...So remove the app download restrictions, and the podcast restrictions
Apple Apps
Calendar
- Landscape Week View
Safari
- caching previously viewed pages, i have 32GB of disk space, use it
Youtube and videos in general
- Music fades out when you watch one, then when its finished it doesn't fade back in
- make it fade back in
iPod/iTunes
- Wifi Syncing like the Zune....and Windows Phone 7
- Music only quick sync, there have been so many time when i just want to add one song/podcast episode, but couldn't be bothered with the time it takes to sync so i just emailed it to myself, but with a quicker music only sync which skips apps/backup etc would be a great feature or failing that.....
- add song from email
Weather
- Live app picture update....a live tile similar to Window Phone 7
Maps
- The only thing i want here is Google Navigation
Do something more with bluetooth!
- I had the original iPhone, and throughout 1.0, 2.0 bluetooth was crap, with only handsfree support. Then 3.0 came with A2DP, tethering and support for developers.
- Bluetooth is capable of so much more.
- I want Apple to implement bluetooth picture transfer and contact transfer as standard in the OS, and not to just to other Apple devices, but to everyother mobile device. (Music transfer is an unrealistic hope/request)
- They added A2DP with 3.0, now take it one step further with AVRCP
- Connection to PC/MAC could be improved (to be explained later on)
Now stuff which is a bit more left field:
iPad integration
Apple needs to increase the reason for someone to own both, enhance its utility equation. I would get an iPad (which currently i am not) if they can do the following
- Let the iPad and iPhone integrate with each other over bluetooth as a constant connection
- Let the iPhone share its internet connection with the iPad
- While it connected together, if i get a call, make it pop up on the ipad too, and let me take the call through the iPad's speaker and microphone if i want to
- Let sms alerts popup too and the ability to reply
- Like the above two, but let me call someone from the iPad through the iphone, or email/sms/mms
- View calendar items from the phone (if not syncing over the cloud) and be able to edit them on the iPad and the change be on the iPhone
Take it further with Mac/PC integration
- Like the above but with a Mac or PC
- Being able to reply to a text with a real keyboard
- Taking a call with the microphone on your Laptop while your phone is still in your pocket
I don't know, these are just my ideas...but i am looking forward to the event.
Just as iPad devs would be foolish to just design to the iPhone/iPod screen size and scale to the iPad, so to would Apple be foolish not to take advantage of the added space. The deployment of the v3 OS on iPad was just as much a stop gap as 150,000+ apps being deployed to it in their original for is.
Redesign to the resolution is by far the smarter choice.
Lets hope they make the smart choice.
Isn't the point of the lock screen to keep people out of your business? Having too much info pushed to your locked device could be dangerous.
But I guess a check box could give you the option.
"Allow this event to be pushed to the lock screen."
"Allow this app to push notices to the lock screen."
How can multitasking work with a lousy 256mb of ram in both the 3GS and even the ipad. Multitasking relies heavily on ram. It would be a disaster in my opinion. Maybe in some new hardware versions, but in the current crop we will be back to iphone 1.0 slowness.
it works on blackberries with less memory
That's what I basically meant. I assume it would come out on the ipad the same day the new iPhone will be released in stores. I'm wondering what difference there will between the iPhone and ipad os.