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This is bit like a buffet in a restaurant, you might pay for unlimited food but you are not allowed to take any food with you out of the restaurant.

a better buffet analogy would be you pay for unlimited food, but you must eat your whole meal with just a spoon, any other utensils are not allowed.
 
-Openness: I should be able to download an application outside of iTunes, after a warning dialog that tells me about the risk.

-The "sandbox" should be opened up a little. Applications should be allowed to launch on boot and run in the background. One of my favorite applications on Android is Mobile Defense. Its better than .ME at phone tracking and free (.ME is crap, it should be a free service). Applications should be allowed access to other applications and to the phone's core services like SMS. I'd love to be able to download an application that hides incoming SMS from specific contacts for example, or an app that forwards the day's SMS conversations to an email box at 2am.

Sooo... you want the iPhone to be android. a word of advice - just buy android. Based on your wishlist, it's clear you'll never be happy with the iPhone because apple isn't catering to people like you. Android is.

The reason you think the iPhone is behind is that you care about the things android focuses on. But you're in the minority there. Most people don't give a hoot whether a platform is "open" - they care about whether their device works as they want it to with minimal learning and no troubleshooting. That's the group apple is targeting, and that's where they're ahead.
 
This is bit like a buffet in a restaurant, you might pay for unlimited food but you are not allowed to take any food with you out of the restaurant.

I think that's a specious argument, and we're really getting off-topic if we pursue this too far.

If the carrier is allowed to put a 5GB cap on "unlimited" data plans, then they are essentially selling me a 5GB/mo data plan. What I do with that data, and how I access it are none of their business. A bit is a bit is a bit, whether its routing path is source-->iphone-->iphone screen, or source-->iphone-->computer screen.

The all-you-can-eat analogy falls apart on several levels for me. The primary reason is that it's "all you can eat", not "all you can eat up to 5-lbs of food", or whatever the limit is.

If it's all you can eat, there's a true potential to bankrupt the restaurant by people taking home far more than the cost of entry is. Once they put a limit on the amount you can eat, then they're essentially selling me a certain amount of food, and it's mine to eat on premises or not.

My 5GB of data won't bankrupt the carrier/provider whether I use it on the iPhone or on the computer tethered to the iPhone. They have to have the infrastructure in place to support my using the 5GB either way, so what's the difference. Now, if the "unlimited" data were truly unlimited, and they weren't going to cap and throttle me at some amount, then I see potential problems because I could in theory open up my iPhone as a wireless hotspot and let all my friends suck down terabytes of data daily. which would either destroy the network's ability to function, or at least produce significant costs to them to upgrade the network.

Either way, it's nothing like a buffet restaurant beyond in theory or practice.
:cool:

P.S. - I don't know how old you are, but I remember a cop show from the 60's called Adam-12, allegedly based on true police logs of the day. They had an episode where the cops were called to an "all-you-can-eat" restaurant because the 300-lb pig/man was eating the restaurant's entire food supply and wouldn't leave. IIRC, the cops wouldn't remove the patron because the sign did say all you can eat.

There's also the old scam restauranteurs used to pull with ads along the lines of "all-you-can-eat for $5" and then they'd cut you off at a certain amount saying that's all you CAN eat for $5. Sounds a bit like the cell carriers and their 5GB cap, doesn't it. :D
 
Lets face it, 3.x is behind the times already. Apple needs these features to catch back up:

-Multitasking: Not some half-assed Apple approach where the state of the application is saved like MS is doing with WM7, but true multitasking.

-Openness: I should be able to download an application outside of iTunes, after a warning dialog that tells me about the risk.

-The "sandbox" should be opened up a little. Applications should be allowed to launch on boot and run in the background. One of my favorite applications on Android is Mobile Defense. Its better than .ME at phone tracking and free (.ME is crap, it should be a free service). Applications should be allowed access to other applications and to the phone's core services like SMS. I'd love to be able to download an application that hides incoming SMS from specific contacts for example, or an app that forwards the day's SMS conversations to an email box at 2am.

-The notification system just doesn't exist on the iPhone. I'd say it needs an overhaul but I don't even believe it exists so they need to build one. An intrusive popup is not a notification system.

I'm sure Tiger Woods and Jesse James would both love a feature like that. Lord knows, I've often wanted to hide certain people's texts while being around my boyfriend. ;)
 
Maybe I'm timing a roast in the oven and would like the timer to keep working while I look at email/surf the web/take a phone call.


This much is possible on the iPhone as the clock/timer app isn't 3rd party and thus runs in the background.
 
Too Many Problems - I See This Being Terrible :(

i'm optimistic, but given a lot of rushed ideas Apple keep having i see this being a major problem... considering the iPhone 3G cannot run all games smoothly... nevermind multitasking! :(
 
And how many of all Android models released so far can be upgraded to 2.1?

You miss my point, which was simply that none of this exciting stuff on the guy's list of things he wanted for the iPhone wasn't already available out there on three different networks with at least two phone models to choose from.

To your question, though, as someone else said, right now, it's just the Droid and the Nexus One in the US, but there are already other models out in Europe (the HTC Desire for one) that are on 2.1, and plenty more coming.

By the time the iPhone 4g is released there will be at least a half-dozen (see footnote), if not more, new handsets on the market, on multiple carriers, that have 2.1 or maybe even 2.2. Some of them will have hardware specs that I'm having a tough time believing Apple will be able to outclass by much of a margin, if at all.

footnote: N1, Droid, Desire, Samsung Galaxy, Sprint Evo, HTC Supersonic, Lenovo LePhone all announced for Spring or Summer release, all running 2.1. Throw in 2.0 which does it all as well, and you've got several others in the mix. Apple will have how many models...? Two, the latest iPhone and maybe the 3G still available for low-enders.
 
This much is possible on the iPhone as the clock/timer app isn't 3rd party and thus runs in the background.

Yea, if I use Apple's timer. But if I have a meal prep optimization program, then I'm SOL. At least if Apple's clock/timer app would allow other apps to set alarms via a notification that would be a viable workaround, but it isn't allowed.
 
i'm optimistic, but given a lot of rushed ideas Apple keep having i see this being a major problem... considering the iPhone 3G cannot run all games smoothly... nevermind multitasking! :(

Buy a new iPhone. Not that big of a deal.

Steve

Sent from my iPhone
 
i'm optimistic, but given a lot of rushed ideas Apple keep having i see this being a major problem... considering the iPhone 3G cannot run all games smoothly... nevermind multitasking! :(

It's been almost 3 years since they brought out the iPhone. In what way do you think anything is rushed by Apple?
 
Sooo... you want the iPhone to be android. a word of advice - just buy android. Based on your wishlist, it's clear you'll never be happy with the iPhone because apple isn't catering to people like you. Android is.

The reason you think the iPhone is behind is that you care about the things android focuses on. But you're in the minority there. Most people don't give a hoot whether a platform is "open" - they care about whether their device works as they want it to with minimal learning and no troubleshooting. That's the group apple is targeting, and that's where they're ahead.

Those are good points, and your final one being the reason why despite extolling the virtues of my Android phone, I am still recommending to my non-geek friends that they wait for the next iPhone as their iPhone contracts expire. If simple iPod-like interface is what you're looking to run, than iPhone's what you're after. If you want a more computer-like interface on your pocket computer/phone, Android's the path.

I still carry both an iPhone and a Nexus One with me, though the iPhone doesn't get much use outside of the gym, or as a tether to my laptop.
 
i'm optimistic, but given a lot of rushed ideas Apple keep having i see this being a major problem... considering the iPhone 3G cannot run all games smoothly... nevermind multitasking! :(

If you mind the (possible) slowdown just don't use multitasking, or get a newer model I guess.
 
It's been almost 3 years since they brought out the iPhone. In what way do you think anything is rushed by Apple?

Actually, I think everything internally is rushed at Apple. I'm not the first to suspect that there's one team of unix guys running around at Apple trying to keep OS X going, the iPhone going, the almost all-but-forgotten AppleTV going, and the iPad ready to ship. I kind of picture it like the three stooges trying to plug the holes in the dam. That's just a visual, not in any way meant as disrespect to the Apple developers, btw.

iPhone gets no love until Snow Leopard pushes, Snow Leopard gets no love until iPad is ready to ship, AppleTV just gets no love, period. Apple's got the cash, maybe they could hire a few more developers and keep all the systems moving along nicely at the same time...?
 
I will be getting an Ipad if multitasking is enabled and I will be getting rid of my Iphone and phone service alltogether if this is a new feature. Skype will be able to run in the backround so I can also receive calls through Skype even if I'm in another app. I have a SkypeOut unlimited plan for $2.95 a month. Sweet.

I will enjoy watching you hold an iPad to your head when you talk to others.
 
No, they're not.

A little substantiation to justify your blanket statement?

Much higher resolution icons are displayed in iTunes (under Applications) and in the App store in iTunes. These icons are available. Apple can use them in iPhone OS to differentiate the home screen from the Exposé screen.

i.e.:

screenshot20100331at418.png
 
Hot damn! So like in lectures I can flip back and forward between PDF's and the Pages app?

Come on Apple, I've got my parents CC waiting on the pricing to be released in Australia!

LOL is announcing you have your Parents Credit Card not shameful, I'd hide my head
 
Much higher resolution icons are displayed in iTunes (under Applications) and in the App store in iTunes. These icons are available.
They are only available to the App Store and not the apps themselves, which are limited in retrieving their application icons from within their own bundle. I suppose it's possible that Apple could start recommending that developers include the 512x512px icon in their app bundles but, currently, 72x72 is as large as they recommend.
 
as to how you will activate exposé on the iPhone OS, if there is a major hardware redesign, i would hope that the patent they filed for touch responsive bezel would be included. that would be awesome.

Very good point. I think the Home button is overused and multiple presses is far from intuitive. iPhone needs more input methods and the bezel is the perfect place to start, without adding buttons.
 
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