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... while Android smartphones are losing one out of every six customers to other manufacturers. ...


If it is to other Android manufacturers it doesn't matter. If someone switches from HTC Android to Samsung Android to LG Android .... Android still wins.

I suspect this is the other huge flaw in the analysis. There is huge effective gap in this modeling process they have set up between dissatisfaction with Android of a specific vendor and Android in general.

The overall market numbers are showing quite the opposite. Android is taking share away from iOS in worldwide markets. The USA market could radically change also if other carriers follow T-Mobile/MetroPCS and push to make smartphone costs less opaque to users.
 
Judging from the posts I read here at the Google Fan Club (née MacRumors), I think Android has a pretty rabidly loyal following as well. I don't put much credence in this, and certainly hope Apple doesn't.

Some, yes, but a lower % of android owners are in that rabid fan club than the % of iPhone owners who are in the rabid iPhone fan club.
 
As for the article, It's kind of like the people staying with ATT because they had the iPhone first. Not saying that iOS is like ATT because a lot of people would disagree. I'm going to stay with iOS as long as it keeps me happy.
 
I had original iPhone then 3G then 4. I just went to the HTC One. I mainly switched because I loved the design and was bored of the look of iOS. After reading all the complaints of Android and Sense I was prepared to grumble through it but it took about 2 days of tinkering and I got it to a place I really like. It wasn't horrible out of the box (like say Windows 8 is) but I still needed to mix it up a little.
 
I haven't actually held the HTC One, but in the pics I've seen, it looks stunning.

Your point about iOS is lost on far too many people. It's the crappy Android OS that brings down devices like the One. I'd even take a Windows phone over an Android any day. Android simply looks and feels unfinished.

I agree with you. I had and iPhone 4 and switched to a Galaxy phone... I promptly switched back when the 5 came out. I hated the Android experience.

I've seen and held several different HTC and Motorola phones and I've been impressed, they are nice phones. I won't switch again strictly because of the OS and I definitely am never going back to Samsung phone. The build is just bad... feels cheap.
 
If it is to other Android manufacturers it doesn't matter. If someone switches from HTC Android to Samsung Android to LG Android .... Android still wins.

Who is Android and what do they win?

I suspect this is the other huge flaw in the analysis. There is huge effective gap in this modeling process they have set up between dissatisfaction with Android of a specific vendor and Android in general.

So, are you arguing that Android devices should be counted together or not? Or just when the numbers fit a particular argument?

The overall market numbers are showing quite the opposite. Android is taking share away from iOS in worldwide markets. The USA market could radically change also if other carriers follow T-Mobile/MetroPCS and push to make smartphone costs less opaque to users.

I think what the US market shows is that when Android does not enjoy a price and distribution advantage, more people prefer the iPhone.
 
I agree. I try out the new android offerings every once in a while and always come back to iPhone.
 
In my very unbiased opinion (current OS X + iOS + Android user); as soon as you get a manufacturer like Samsung banging out Android handsets as good looking as the iPhone, Apple are going to be in trouble. Manufacturers are slowly getting there - the HTC One is the closest to a comparable design yet.

If I could buy an iPhone 5 and have it run Android natively, I'd do it in a shot - absolutely no hesitation.

iOS is plain, old, out-dated; Android manufacturer devices are plain, old and out-dated. In my opinion, of course.
 
If it is to other Android manufacturers it doesn't matter. If someone switches from HTC Android to Samsung Android to LG Android .... Android still wins.

I suspect this is the other huge flaw in the analysis. There is huge effective gap in this modeling process they have set up between dissatisfaction with Android of a specific vendor and Android in general.

The overall market numbers are showing quite the opposite. Android is taking share away from iOS in worldwide markets. The USA market could radically change also if other carriers follow T-Mobile/MetroPCS and push to make smartphone costs less opaque to users.

yeah, dude isn't making too much sense there
 
.... Android simply looks and feels unfinished.

That is largely because they were playing "catch up" over 2010-2012 timeframe. Of late they have shifted to more focus on polish. Android 4.1 and 4.2 are just the start of the shift.

That is other somewhat dubious assumption in the analysis presented. The customer satisfactions rates would remain constant. They don't have to. If go back 3-4 years and look at RIM/Blackberry's what they saw in 2011-2012 was nothing like 2008-2009. Windows Phone is in the same extremely likely to be in high flux over next 2-3 years boat also.

Android may still bleed if they don't get their act together. The dubious part of the in the analysis is that Apple would necessarily swoop up the majority of the shift. "Only the big can get a large share" is the same thing that drove the "android is doomed, they will never catch up" analyses back when the iOS was king of the pile. Didn't work that way did it ?
 
This is of course assuming that Samsung doesn't go towards their own OS.

I think as the smart phone market saturates they may have no choice to differentiate themselves from their competitors. After all the S4 is really not that different from the S3 and with the hardware having no where to go the software will more and more become the differentiator driving sales.
 
Having invested more in the hard and soft wares is an effect of the deserved loyalty not a cause

You are mistaken. Apple goes to great lengths to push integration of multiple devices as a means of increasing customer loyalty.

The sole purpose of the apple "ecosystem" is to get customers to "buy in" and make it less attractive for them to leave. That's a major reason why apple has DRM on the videos it sells on itunes and would still have DRM on music if it was possible.
 
Some folks are not picking iOS on purpose. If Android fails for them then Windows Phone , Blackberry , etc are far more likely options they'll take then to get an iOS phone.

The article says specifically: "...while for Android the number is just 76 percent. And, three quarters of those looking to switch from Android plan to buy an iPhone."

This appears to me to say that the people jumping out of the Android bucket (Android fails for them) WILL be going to iOS.
 
I like how the chart begins with the future, and stays completely and totally in the la-la land of speculation. Stretch that same chart back 5 years and tell me that it makes any sense AT ALL to assume that android smartphone adoption has hit a brick wall.
 
Who knows how many terror attacks and financial meltdowns we'll have before 2015.
 
The article says specifically: "...while for Android the number is just 76 percent. And, three quarters of those looking to switch from Android plan to buy an iPhone."

This appears to me to say that the people jumping out of the Android bucket (Android fails for them) WILL be going to iOS.

Yes, fantasy people in an a fantasy land WILL be doing something very, very specific.

Sure.
 
So, are you arguing that Android devices should be counted together or not? Or just when the numbers fit a particular argument?

Probably similar to using numbers that favor Apple and ignoring the ones that don't. For example, Windows 7 sold 700,000,000 copies but the number is irrelevant because everyone is forced to use Windows for work. iPhone sells more than Galaxy because it is a better phone and people like it more so the numbers are important. Apple loses market share but the numbers don't matter because they make more profit. That type of logic?
 
This bucket thing is a flawed analysis. First, flaw stems from folks equally likely falling into the Android or iOS buckets in the first place. People do not select phones randomly. So their whole initially allocation of folks to buckets is deeply flawed.
My first thought was that if an Android user replaces a phone with an iPhone, the Android phone mostly won't disappear, if functional it likely goes to someone else. It's important to not confuse new-phone sales with what's in service.
 
I agree. I try out the new android offerings every once in a while and always come back to iPhone.

This is me. I've had six different Android devices over the last nearly 5 years. I even owned an Android device before I had my first iPhone.'

Every time I use Android I remember why it is that I like my iPhone so much. I'm an IT guy, and have full geek capabilities. But I'm over the constant tinkering mode in my life. I want simplicity and stability. I think most people out there feel the same way.

Personally, I believe that the vast majority of people who choose Android do so on perceived price advantage. But when I'm spending over $2000 over two years for service, why do I care if the phone I use costs $50-$100 less? Especially when the build quality is so much less.
 
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