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Makes you wonder why they would think that Simbian and Windows phones would still be around in several years with those sort of adoption and retention numbers???? Seems like Windows Phone will need to grow more than that or MS is in for a HUGE change!
 
I was thinking about picking up the new HTC One, but then I think about my iPhone 5 and how well it plays with not just my apple gear but my clock radio as well then there is iMessage. Makes me think twice about going back to android.
 
Co-worker switched to Galaxy S3 and hates it. They like the screen but does not like how Android operates and battery life is terrible. He is switching back to Apple.

Typed S4 by mistake and all you wackos lost your crap. Calm down people.
 
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loyal? no, but best phone stack

The real reason I prefer the iPhone is not the hardware or os or phone company. It is that Apple has negotiated ownership of the whole stack.

The phone manufacturer does not control the hardware. Apple does.
A third party does not control the os. Apple does.
The phone company does not control what's on the home screen. Apple does.
The phone company cannot stifle an os upgrade. Apple owns this.

In short, every other phone and phone os owes allegiance to the phone company which in turn controls what you get. With Verizon, this means much crapware on the phone. With AT&T this means delayed or never implemented os upgrades. Google and others have made a pact with the devil(s) to get their phones out there and in the process ceded control to others. It's a shame, but as it stands today it's how it is.

So I'll stick with Apple for now.
 
Can you clarify. I honestly don't understand that assessment. What about Android looks unfinished? What feels unfinished?

As an 8-month Android user, and 4-year iOS user, I would agree that stock Android does feel less refined from a UI perspective. The notification bar is a single example - remember purely from a UI perspective, not functionality.

That's changing very rapidly though, specifically noticeable with the 4.0/4.1/4.2 updates.
 
This bucket thing is a flawed analysis. First, flaw stems from folks equally likely falling into the Android or iOS buckets in the first place. People do not select phones randomly. So their whole initially allocation of folks to buckets is deeply flawed.

Some folks are not picking iOS on purpose. If Android fails for them then Windows Phone , Blackberry , etc are far more likely options they'll take then to get an iOS phone.
I believe more people are likely to pick the iPhone if Android does not work for them. Windows 8 phone are late to the game as well as Blackberry who until just recently have made a a true keyless smart phone.


The other major flaw here is long term, worldwide smartphone growth is going to come from lower price points. Again iOS is likely not the leading platform based on price over the long term.

Apple already has lower pice point phones starting at the 4 & 4S starting at $0.00. That helps compete with the other cheaper phones.


Best case this high degree of loyal will mean that Apple's share won't drop much. But repeat buyers are not going to high drivers of growth in a growing market. Any model suggesting they will be skewed to myopically not to look at the new arrivals to the market. (just like this one is.)

But Android uses are more likely to switch to the iPhone while existing iPhone users are sticking with Apples platform, thats where a lot of this growth is coming from.
 
This is completely absurd

I know this is an Apple love-in website, but even if you love Apple you can't look at this atrocity of bad statistics analysis and not shake your head.

In what reality will Apple experience 200% growth while EVERY OTHER MARKET stays largely the same for the next 5 years?

Yes the non-smart phone market is shrinking, but to assume NOBODY will end up in the Android bucket (or even Windows, Blackberry buckets) is just plain ignorance.

All signs currently show that Apple's market penetration has been slowing down, while Android growth has been exploding. Samsung reported record earnings in their phone division while Apple missed targets in the same quarter. How can anybody then assume Samsung will not drive growth in the Android marketplace while Apple doubles their presence in the next 5 years?

You can ask as many people you want about what device they "want" to use, sales figures are what matters.

I'm not here to pound that Android is better than iOS or vice versa, just that the incredulity of this chart is amazing. Even a die-hard Apple fanboy should be shaking their head at this.

BTW I picked up a Nexus 10 and have not looked back to my iPad which hasn't been powered up for 6 months. I love my iPod Touch and still use it daily, and thought I loved my iPad, but honestly the Nexus 10 won me over surprisingly very quickly. So even to assume that Android will not convert SOME Apple users to their market in the next 5 years is ridiculous.

Epic fail in statistics gathering and analysis all around on this one.
 
If you have multiple devices (PC/laptop, tablet and/or smart phone) the Apple ecosystem with iCloud and iTunes match is simply the best. It just works.
 
Co-worker switched to Galaxy S4 and hates it. They like the screen but does not like how Android operates and battery life is terrible. He is switching back to Apple.

In what universe does your friend live that he's been using a GS4?

As an 8-month Android user, and 4-year iOS user, I would agree that stock Android does feel less refined from a UI perspective. The notification bar is a single example - remember purely from a UI perspective, not functionality.

That's changing very rapidly though, specifically noticeable with the 4.0/4.1/4.2 updates.

Unrefined is different that stating it's looks and feels unfinished. When I read people stating that Android looks unfinished it immediately (maybe incorrectly) makes me think they are referring to Froyo and/or they are just regurgitating what someone else/an article said vs having actually used a recent device.

Your co-worker might hate the GS4 but do they like their time machine?

/trying too hard:rolleyes:


Exactly.
 
Your co-worker might hate the GS4 but do they like their time machine?

/trying too hard:rolleyes:

I was going to post something similar. I knew it was a lie from the battery life comment alone. Not to mention the minor issue that the S4 isn't even available yet.
 
This article is fantasy for Apple fanbois.

Sorry.
I agree. Why this graph does not show data for the prior years so we can see the trend? Here is why: iOS market share has been shrinking for some time now. Why would it suddenly expand? Apple is stagnant, lazy and lacking leadership. Stock price is an indicator.

And I am sorry too.
 
The only reason I have an android phone is because I'm on Republic Wireless, and I'll save around $2630 over 2 years for doing so. But I hate my phone. It took me 3 months to finally tweak the interface to where it's livable, but as soon as I can afford it, I'm jumping back on the iPhone bandwagon. The iOS experience is just so much more seamless and effortless, in my opinion.

Maybe I sound like an old man because I'm done tinkering, like some of the other commenters have said. But I have more important things to do than fix something that shouldn't have been broken to begin with.
 
it's a logo, what the hell can you infer from a logo?

They don't just choose a logo at random... The design, font choice, etc. are all very different from usual Apple logos. This is probably a hint at Apple's future direction with iOS (and Ive's new influence within it).
 
Who is Android and what do they win?

The overall Android platform is different than any specific vendor's derivative. As long as the user's data,apps, store accounts move from phone to phone it doesn't really matter whose "flavor skin" is sprinkled on top of the standard Android OS.

So, are you arguing that Android devices should be counted together or not? Or just when the numbers fit a particular argument?

No I'm saying that part of what capturing in "disatisfaction with Android" is in part about skins, instances, and specific carrier/phone vendor upgrades and not about Android in general. If the model doesn't account for that it will lead to flawed results.

In some section they claim they are talking about the Android platform but in other places like the quoted one there is some doubt they really are.

There are also quotes like the following in the summary

".. Only 9 percent of Apple owners plan to switch to another platform with their next phone purchase, while 24 percent of Android owners plan to defect from the Android platform. The fact that 18 percent of Android owners intend to switch to Apple with their next ... "
http://www.yankeegroup.com/ResearchDocument.do?id=60321


where they are measuring "intent" percentages as oppose to have really done it percentages. There are always folks who "intend" to move but when find out their migration costs are heavy do not. Similarly those who intent to move but final another flavor of Android that they will give another shot to.

The notion that Apple has a "blackhole" ecosystem and that Android completely does not is highly indicative of flawed premises may be driving this analysis.

The other factor is the numbers aren't even consistent on the summary page. Higher up on the same page.

" ... while Android smartphones are losing one out of every six customers to other manufacturers. ... "

1/6 = ~ 0.17 ( 16% ) . So which is it 16% or 24% ? If the 16% is more accurately about churn withing the Android market, so what?. It is just misdirection. If it is about manufacturers outside the market why is it inconsistent with percentages a couple of paragraphs down?


I think what the US market shows is that when Android does not enjoy a price and distribution advantage, more people prefer the iPhone.

Which means Apple may get market share expansion in the upper end of the USA smartphone market. Just like Apple has been gaining larger share of the upper end personal computer market ( $1,000-2,000) in the USA. That doesn't mean overall share is going to go up though.
 
Probably similar to using numbers that favor Apple and ignoring the ones that don't. For example, Windows 7 sold 700,000,000 copies but the number is irrelevant because everyone is forced to use Windows for work. iPhone sells more than Galaxy because it is a better phone and people like it more so the numbers are important. Apple loses market share but the numbers don't matter because they make more profit. That type of logic?

Android market share is not as important when you start splitting the Android phone makers into individual companies. Each company tends to make much less profit and sells less phones the Apple does.

But for some reason they like to add the 200+ phone makers into one entity that use Android. Unless one company makes/uses Android don't see the point of using it as any market share to begin with.
 
I will never buy another HTC

I haven't actually held the HTC One, but in the pics I've seen, it looks stunning.

I bought an HTC phone a couple years back. It was a terrible experience and I'll never buy another one. Verizon stopped updating the software about a month after I bought it so it was stuck on Android 2.1. The on-screen keyboard was finicky and hard to use. Ultimately, the touch screen failed 6 months before my 2-year contract was up and I ended up tossing it.
 
Just curious. Why?

You didn't ask me, but I did the same thing, so I'll bite.

1) I got bored, and l like new toys. I've had every iPhone except the 3G.
2) I've been getting several cold calls a day and iOS didn't give me a way to eliminate those from my life. Setting a silent ringtone isn't a sufficient workaround IMO.
3) Widgets looked interesting, along with vast options for personalization.
4) Did I mention, I got bored? :D

My observations...

1) More alike than different in most day-to-day things. Apps look very similar, both platforms have all the same apps (for my purposes at least...).
2) iOS still holds a slight edge in stability, but both platforms occasionally glitch and crash, and the margin between them has grown very slim.
3) SwiftKey is the best thing ever. Using my iPad keyboard or my wife's iPhone keyboard is annoying now.
4) The distinction between home screens (desktops, whatever) and the app drawer is confusing when you come from iOS, but now that I'm used to it I appreciate how easy it is to find rarely used apps and also keep my everyday apps organized neatly.
5) It's hard to touch the iPhone camera.
6) The bigger screen is nice. Very nice. The sleep/wake button location is bad if you use the phone much in landscape (I do). But when you get used to it, the button location on the iPhone also seems awkward :shrug:
6a) The bigger screen is brighter, though, at night, which is unfortunate.
7) USB cable means easy to find, not expensive. It also means much slower charging than iPhone. The N4 also has wireless charging but I'm not paying $50 for the charger.
8) NFC might as well not exist, I never use it and never expect to.
9) Chrome doesn't have the stupid page reloading behavior that Safari does. Probably uses more memory as a result, but I don't notice. I hate when Safari reloads a page. You have to wait, hopefully it wasn't the result of a POST, and when it's done reloading you won't be back in the same spot on the page. Grrrrr.

Overall, both phones basically do what I want them to, both annoy me, both please me. I probably won't switch back to iOS until Apple makes a few features available to me which have been deal-breakers: Call control, bigger screen option, SwiftKey.
 
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