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mozumder

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Let's see: Trump can choose to proceed with his trade policies knowing they might injure Apple, a company that supported the Democrats, or he can give China and Apple a break while America and those who were loyal to Trump get shafted.

Such a difficult choice.

Next time, Mr. Cook, keep your political opinions to yourself.

So why exactly do you want poor, hard-working Americans to pay more?
 

mozumder

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Why aren't you willing to pay more for products made in America?

Because other people can provide the same product for a cheaper price.
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God bless trump for putting his foot down

Time for America to be great again!!

The only thing Trump will do is cause business to go overseas, cutting down our economy.

There has never been an economy that grew by increasing tariffs.
 

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Because other people can provide the same product for a cheaper price.

Fortunately, not everyone in America is so selfish:

Almost 8 in 10 American consumers say they would rather buy an American-made product than an imported one, according to a recent Consumer Reports survey. And more than 60 percent say they’re even willing to pay 10 percent more for it. For some, the decision might stem from a belief in American quality and safety. Others might think it’s the best way to support the American economy and workers.​
 

canadianreader

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When you read those leaked emails man... you feel thankful Hillary did not win. China has become the world's factory while Americans lost their manufacturing jobs it's not fair and hopefully Trump's team will correct that. Those who truly love their country should be happy that things are back in control and for those who want to come to Canada please stay where you are and invest in your own economy your country needs you.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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That's seems familiar. Where have I read something about a bankrupt businessman using Chinese labor and products? Oh, steel. Yeah, Chinese steel... and suits and cufflinks and ties and those amazingly, bigly awesome "Trump Steaks" that [were] sold online from "Sharper Image" were probably 100% real Chinese and Mexican "meat"...

Mike Pence is the new Dick Cheney and y'all bought it like "Trump Steaks". I've got eight years of conservative tears I'll be living off of for the next four years, I'd share but I know how some view sharing as "weak". Ironic as the biggest beneficiary of "hand-outs" are white, middle-aged conservative men in the mid-west. I recommend reading up on your President-elect Pence - start with gay conversation therapy and his work as Governor.

The U.S. isn't just screwed, the entire world got screwed. Thanks, Trumpers!
You're welcome. I care primarily about Americans first.
 
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mozumder

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Fortunately, not everyone in America is so selfish:

Almost 8 in 10 American consumers say they would rather buy an American-made product than an imported one, according to a recent Consumer Reports survey. And more than 60 percent say they’re even willing to pay 10 percent more for it. For some, the decision might stem from a belief in American quality and safety. Others might think it’s the best way to support the American economy and workers.​

This is below-average thinking. Smart people know that you have to hold people to higher standards to make them better.

Never artificially inflate prices, because it causes quality to stagnate.

The only people that want tariffs are America-haters.
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When you read those leaked emails man... you feel thankful Hillary did not win. China has become the world's factory while Americans lost their manufacturing jobs it's not fair and hopefully Trump's team will correct that. Those who truly love their country should be happy that things are back in control and for those who want to come to Canada please stay where you are and invest in your own economy your country needs you.

Americans don't want factories. Millennials don't even want to work in them

We're a wealthy, white-collar economy, not a blue-collar one.
 

nt5672

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Closed minded when right wingers hate many groups of people? Lol okay

Except that is a myth propagated by the media and liberal losers. Try to read more than 140 characters. It is really not that hard.
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You think what he said was hate rhetoric? Where have you been?
Who's he?
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It's hard to "just get along" when much of the campaign rhetoric was hateful. This isn't simply about disagreement on policy ideas. Don't expect people to hold hands when you support a racist, or stand by when your co-supporters hurl racist, bigoted ideas at people. There's a limit to what you can do before you decide "hey can't we just get along?". GWB didn't cross that line. Trump did.

Nope, not once, unless you only believe the 140 character headlines crafted by the opposition media, or the paid protesters.
 

DUCKofD3ATH

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This is below-average thinking. Smart people know that you have to hold people to higher standards to make them better.

I see. So your position on people spending a tithe more for high quality American-made goods is that they're below-average thinkers.

That's the sort of thinking that leads to political marginalization. As has been happening to Liberals/Progressives and Democrats for nearly a decade. Well done and keep up the good work.

Never artificially inflate prices, because it causes quality to stagnate.

First: you need to understand the topic being discussed before opining. Nobody is artificially inflating prices. If China is cheating we'll retaliate. That may cause prices to increase, but that's the price of fairness.

The only people that want tariffs are America-haters.

Nice try. But nobody takes a Liberal seriously who claims to be an America-lover or that he knows who America-haters are. That's just how your brand is perceived.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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This is below-average thinking. Smart people know that you have to hold people to higher standards to make them better.

Never artificially inflate prices, because it causes quality to stagnate.

The only people that want tariffs are America-haters.
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Americans don't want factories. Millennials don't even want to work in them

We're a wealthy, white-collar economy, not a blue-collar one.
 

CaTOAGU

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I can honestly say I would pay that if that's what it took for the iPhone to say "Made in USA" on the back, and it's not like I am made of money. It is just that important to me.

You might but hardly anyone else would (would be able to), the devices are already at the upper margin of what most who buy them can afford. The number of active users would plummet and the entire ecosystem would become unviable. If we're trying to close the gap between the haves and have nots making everything more expensive doesn't seem seem like the best way to do it.

I suppose you could reduce the price by capping the size of the margin Apple was permitted to make but that doesn't seem to fit well with a capitalist system and I'm assuming the USA isn't proposing such a radical shift in it's economy.
 

magicschoolbus

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The Northeast isn't too far behind.
It's true.

I've seen places like Lowell, MA. Paterson, NJ. ALL OF UPSTATE NY. Maine.. ETC.

Globalization has come at the cost of small town America. The reason you are seeing places like Brooklyn become gentrified is because the cities are attracting young, rural, suburbanites that couldn't get jobs in rural America. Their parents all live out in rural America.

This makes the city centers increasingly democratic because they are filled with younger people, and very multicultural and accepting (there is nothing wrong with this).

Middle-class white America has gotten dusted by the shift in manufacturing to an informational work environment. Middle-class America can no longer send their kids to school, their infrastructure is rotting, Detroit is now the same size as it was in 1909.

These people have fought the wars, sent their sons and daughters off, built the roads, tunnels, bridges, dams, and now the floor has been ripped right out beneath them while they get called ignorant and uneducated and preached to by a hipster in Brooklyn about white privlage in the NY Times.. all while struggling to work 3 jobs just to put food on the table because their union job was sent to Mexico.


This is how Trump won. Hillarys campaign was garbage. We've heard for decades middle-class America was dying. Don't believe me? Google how many times she visited Wisconson on her campaign trail.

Well guess what? They voiced their opinion loud, and clear almost a week ago- in the biggest upset since who knows when.

Trump bulldozed through the Bush and Clinton empire.

Don't underestimate him. He is worth a chance.
 

DrewDaHilp1

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Good God, comments such as yours are one of many reasons why MacRumors need to shut off the forums for a week to hopefully rid it of toxic individuals. Your comment is just as hateful as anything that could come out of Trump's mouth, and such hostility towards all Americans is insane generalization. By your comment and standards, I could say all Canadians are ignorant bigots, but that would be insane and is obviously not true.

MacRumors Forum posters, I ask that you all get a damn grip and grow up.
Is this your first time in PRSI?
 

Soni Sanjay

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Fortunately, not everyone in America is so selfish:

Almost 8 in 10 American consumers say they would rather buy an American-made product than an imported one, according to a recent Consumer Reports survey. And more than 60 percent say they’re even willing to pay 10 percent more for it. For some, the decision might stem from a belief in American quality and safety. Others might think it’s the best way to support the American economy and workers.​

Not if it costs double or triple the original price... Do you think Apple would only increment the price of their products by only 10%? Don't be so naive.
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Nope.

We're both - and we can be both. And we once were both.

Not really, robots and machines will replace the factory workers... It is INEVITABLE.
 

CaTOAGU

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Fortunately, not everyone in America is so selfish:

Almost 8 in 10 American consumers say they would rather buy an American-made product than an imported one, according to a recent Consumer Reports survey. And more than 60 percent say they’re even willing to pay 10 percent more for it. For some, the decision might stem from a belief in American quality and safety. Others might think it’s the best way to support the American economy and workers.​

It would be a lot more than a 10% increase.
 

Soni Sanjay

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You think building iPhones in the US would triple the price? Now who's being naive?

Not really, but is is closer to triple the price than it is 10%, and the people that will resent the price hike (not only in iPhones, but in everything) will be the poor and uneducated... Sure, you might make more money, but everything will be more expensive...
 

canadianreader

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This is below-average thinking. Smart people know that you have to hold people to higher standards to make them better.

Never artificially inflate prices, because it causes quality to stagnate.

The only people that want tariffs are America-haters.
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Americans don't want factories. Millennials don't even want to work in them

We're a wealthy, white-collar economy, not a blue-collar one.

Something like Mac Pro which is built in the USA can be implemented to other industries and products Texas Instruments used to assemble a lot of its products in the USA
 
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It would be a lot more than a 10% increase.
I disagree. Any municipality in the US would give Apple yuuuuuuge incentives to build manufacturing plants in their area. Plus federal tax incentive and the fact that building products in the US (such as with Apple's Mac Pro) is the right thing to do:

“The difference with us is that we’re taking a bottoms-up approach,” Cook said at the time. “We don’t want to just assemble the Mac Pro here, we want to make the whole thing here. This is a big deal.” Apple’s partners are using industrial molds and production processes that were developed in the U.S., he said.

Cook’s pledge to domesticate some production followed years of criticism from labor advocates about conditions at contractors’ facilities in China, where most of Apple’s products are built. Though Apple, the world’s largest technology company, hasn’t announced plans to make other products in the U.S., recent investments suggest it may head in that direction, including a new plant in Mesa, Arizona.​
 

CaTOAGU

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You think building iPhones in the US would triple the price? Now who's being naive?

Foxcon employees make around $400 a month. US minimum wage $7.25/hr. Say a 40 hour week, would work out to around $1200 a month which is 3 times what a Foxcon worker makes. It's not difficult to see how it could triple the cost of the phone. It's possible that in the future they'd be able to make an iPhone in the US for the same as in China but you'd have to use far more automation which would come at the cost of jobs, so what would be the point.

The trouble with the idea that we could do it all in the US, or in the U.K is that it fails to take into account the far lower standard of living in places like China that make the devices affordable in our home markets. No U.S or U.K worker is going to work full time for $400 a month, they wouldn't be able to afford to live.
 

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Foxcon employees make around $400 a month. US minimum wage $7.25/hr. Say a 40 hour week, would work out to around $1200 a month which is 3 times what a Foxcon worker makes. It's not difficult to see how it could triple the cost of the phone. It's possible that in the future they'd be able to make an iPhone in the US for the same as in China but you'd have to use far more automation which would come at the cost of jobs, so what would be the point.

The trouble with the idea that we could do it all in the US, or in the U.K is that it fails to take into account the far lower standard of living in places like China that make the devices affordable in our home markets. No U.S or U.K worker is going to work full time for $400 a month, they wouldn't be able to afford to live.
The reason Apple builds iPhones in China is because labor is so cheap, they don't have to spend money on automation. By building in the US, they'd improve their processes with new automation and cut labor requirements.
 
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CaTOAGU

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The reason Apple builds iPhones in China is because labor is so cheap, they don't have to spend money on automation. By building in the US, they'd improve their processes with new automation and cut labor requirements.

Right but if you use automation you wouldn't need people to assemble them, so you wouldn't be creating any jobs. Certainly not in any useful amount. Plus that's just the labour cost, it doesn't take into account higher, energy and distribution costs etc that they'd incur in the U.S.
 
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