So you're asking everyone to pay higher prices, which will disproportionately affect poor people.
Glad to know that you support higher taxes on the poor.
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iPhone Sales Could Face Major Setback in China if Trump Enacts Trade War
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So you're asking everyone to pay higher prices, which will disproportionately affect poor people.
Glad to know that you support higher taxes on the poor.
A lot of things "could" happen under a Trump presidency. There's no sense in worrying about the unknowns more than two months before he even gets sworn in.
1. What's vulgar is you attacking someone because of how they look right out of the gate.
2. The reason your prices are so high is because THAT country's currency is in the toilet due to their protectionism making them less competitive than the enormous trading bloc they chose to leave because they didn't want immigrants around.
3. Apple, along with EVERYONE ELSE, owes you nothing. NOTHING. You will pay whatever everyone else in the FREE MARKET will bear to pay, and if you get left behind when other, more prosperous nations chose to get over their social problems in the name of greater commerce, then that's just fine. No one promised you anything on the cheap.
We used to have way more industry. Heavy shipbuilding was feeding the whole north german coastline with jobs. Now there is one shipyard left making luxury liners and one military yard making one submarine every four years. There was heavy steel industry in the german rust belt feeding half of western Germany. Coalmines every mile. Dark skies, dead rivers and polluted environment was a huge problem back then. There were big problems when those industries started to decline. There are still problems in those areas. But there are new jobs. German media moved there. New media started up as well. Offices instead of power plants. Things change for better now. They change slowly though. Too slow for some. There are people left behind. Old coal mine workers can't do office jobs. Its a hard transitions. We know. But there is no turning back. Everybody who tells you so is lying or dumb.
I remember life before Wal-Mart, when people had to save up to buy things many people take for granted and replace almost annually now like cars and tv's and whatever else they think has to be the latest and greatest. We didn't feel deprived.
And there was a comfort and pride in knowing our friends and neighbors made these things. My great aunt worked in a plastics factory that made all sorts of things. I think she was on the assembly line to make cute plastic coasters. I used to show them off to my friends and say my Aunt Dorothy made them. Of course she was just in the assembly line, but she was proud of her job.
But we don't have to hearken back to the past to get our lives back. Right now we have a bustling secondary economy at thrift stores and on EBay and flea markets and Etsy for those of us who want to save money, save strain on the environment and enjoy unique things. Even those of us who have finally "made it" shop at these venues right along with poor immigrant families and retirees, like my retired veteran dad.
Then there is private sharing and swapping in which your friends and fellow schoolmates become extended family and we share or swap our stuff. At my daughter's school we all get together and trade books, clothes, gadgets that we outgrew or lost interest in. We've got the kids of affluent urban professionals happy to wear each other's hand me down clothes and shoes and use each other's stuff.
People are buying home made stuff off of Etsy and EBay. School kids are making good money selling stuff they knit. Even the boys are getting in on it. Home made stuff is in huge demand. The kids aren't clamoring for cheap toys from Wal-Mart, they are putting in purchase orders for friends to knit, sew, sculpt or build them stuff.
One of my daughter's friends can knit and crochet amazing things and she's raking in some serious money selling her creations to her friends. Some of these kids don't even use sewing machines, they sew by hand with needle and thread...so even if sewing machine prices start going through the roof, these kids are ready.
We aren't talking about the Amish here, we are talking about modernized, suburban kids. The private schools and even some of the public schools are starting to wake up to the value of micro economies and teaching their kids how to get ahead in them.
Also more and more people are growing their own food and promoting local farming. I've got loads of friends involved in the "urban chicken" phenomenon.
There was life before Wal-Mart and there will be after Wal-Mart.
If the cost of things goes up, people will replace them less often and that could be what helps save our environment. We throw away so much and it is because it's cheap and meant to break and be discarded.
I love new gadgets and replace my cell phones annually. But I've picked some good ones this year and if the costs start shooting up, it won't kill me to stay with my current batch of phones until the components die. When they die it won't kill me to buy refurbished.
I lived like this before and I can live like this again. What I can't live with is seeing my fellow Americans be China's captive market any longer.
Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that we do trade with China and other countries, but there is a cost to our people in how we are doing that now and we need to start addressing it.
I don't know that we actually can revive manufacturing jobs in the US again. Automation may render that a no-go before we can even try to. Automation is already taking jobs from the Chinese, actually, as their wages slowly rise.
Where we can hope to employ our people again is in rebuilding our crumbled infrastructure. Hillary and Trump both recognized that and both pledged resources to making that happen. Let's hope it comes to pass.
That is an optimistic estimate. Average salary in China is around $9600. In US it is $50,700. At that rate a $600 iPhone would be around $3100 USD. Or maybe we'll be able to find 1.2 million Americans that want to earn $800/month.
Are you telling me that when I call the help desk that Thomas with the Indian accent isn't sitting Redmond?
That's because, despite what you may wish, machines which don't get sick, tired, or complain have long since replaced those jobs. Do you think these companies will suddenly ask people to start mining coal, assembling parts, and sewing by hand again? No. They need to compete and one of these machines can do the work of 25 people at 30% of the cost over time makes far more sense. Thanks to NAFTA you aren't making shoes for people in China already. Want examples? American Apparel was more expensive than Hanes. Until Apple moved manufacturing outside of the US, the company nearly went bankrupt because the cost of their old computers was more than triple a comparable PC from Compaq, Packard Bell made overseas.
However, if you think that having a background in rotating tires and pulling a lever on an 80-year-old smelter will magically make you qualified to manufacture smartphones, you're kidding yourself.
Middle America, where I am originally from, has spent more time worrying about nonsense like fighting gay marriage and building a creation museum than it has on preparing people for the NEW needs of the world. Just because someone's father and grandfather made a living in an industry back in the day doesn't mean they will now. It's a service economy. Either people need to get on board or they will miss it.
That said, if you want to blame ANYONE for the state of affairs in the rust belt, look in the mirror and observe the tag on that shirt you bought for 40% of what it would have cost had it been made here.
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That's because, like Hitler, he largely blamed the ills of the country on immigrants and religious minorities. If you want to argue that he didn't do that in this campaign, then you're just plain lying. Instead of saying the Jews were causing everything, it was the Mexicans, Asians, and Muslims. Not a lick about the buying habits of American whites.
Ditto. I have a government job so my insurance is very cost-effective but my self-employed sister has a 5K deductible and still pays an asinine amont per month. Obamacare is a joke and the sooner we get rid of it the better. The only people that benefit from it are the people who don't work and thus get free or nearly free healthcare paid for by those who actually get off their ass and go to work.
I couldn't stand Trump so much that I changed parties and voted for Hillary (while closing my eyes and pretending she wasn't habitually backed by a dark consortium of globalists and financiers that didn't have any citizens best interests at heart but their own).
Really, Trump has said, implied and done inexcusable vile things and I find him objectionable in more ways than I can say. He has behaved like a petulant toddler through so much of his campaign.
But really in the interest of honesty, Hillary's supporters are doing horrible deplorable racist things, too, that seem to somehow get far less press attention.
This is anecdotal so I don't expect you to believe me, but I can say last night I witnessed several minority youths victimizing a business owned by a white proprietor. (I'm a minority myself). I can't say for sure it was a reaction to the election results but these incidents certainly have stepped up around here.
"Deplorables" on BOTH sides have used the election as an excuse to vent their vile prejudices on innocent people, so let's not pretend one side is all angels and one side is all devils. What we need is for rational people of integrity on both sides to come together and fix this mess going forward. And call out injustice wherever we see it.
So far President Elect Trump is behaving in a more measured manner than Candidate Trump. I'm willing to at least let the man take the oath of office and see what he actually attempts to implement before I bring out my torch and pitchfork.
In other news today the cow flew over the moon.
Seriously there will be no trade war. It was all "tough talk" for domestic consumption and also scare tactic for the Chinese. Will they take the bait? Seems like it might. Mexico and Canada have already signaled they are willing to renegotiate NAFTA. As much as the U.S. loves its cheap Chinese products, China loves the revenue that those sales bring it. China can't afford a trade war anymore than the U.S. They will toss the U.S. a bone. Apple sales will be better for it and give Tim Cook less excuse for poor sales.
Seriously there will be no trade war. It was all "tough talk" for domestic consumption and also scare tactic for the Chinese. Will they take the bait? Seems like it might. Mexico and Canada have already signaled they are willing to renegotiate NAFTA. As much as the U.S. loves its cheap Chinese products, China loves the revenue that those sales bring it. China can't afford a trade war anymore than the U.S. They will toss the U.S. a bone. Apple sales will be better for it and give Tim Cook less excuse for poor sales.
Just as with your first comment, you have a really serious problem with reading and comprehension. The original poster commented that APPLE, a tech company, should consider moving to Canada. Your response????? Some tirade on how fat lazy Americans are not wanted in Canada (according to you) and we should stay home.
Nowhere in the post you responded to was that inferred or suggested. But you have some bug up your ass about Americans so you just HAD to cro-bar in your irrelevant comment.
I pointed this out to you. Your response???? Completely ignore that fact and again, insert and infer some delusional point about what I said. YOU, were the one that stated how you Canadians dont like people that "abandon" their country when they disagree with said countries policies......your point.
I addressed your point directly and stated that in the U.S. unlike you, we like people who leave their country when they dont agree with their policies. I then gave some random examples of people who have done this in the past, people you characterize as "abandoning" their country. Nowhere did I compare Trump to Hitler or make any inference on if I am a supporter of Trump or hate him.Didnt ever mention the name Trump or bring up right wing or conservatives or Republican party. Why? Because it has nothing to do with what you said.
And then, again, I get another tirade from you cro-barring in some delusional inferences about what I said. I have no idea where I hinted in the slightest way that Trump is in any way like Hitler, That I condone rioting in the streets when you disagree with government policy, that today's ability to influence government and media is even remotely similar to that of the past, and Im not even sure what your talking about there. You obviously are very angry about something, not sure what. Maybe the political atmosphere in a country you dont live in??? But it is affecting you in a very negative way. You read a comment and then somehow do some crazy mental gymnastics to interpret said comment into saying something not even remotely what it says. Why? Because you seem desperate to voice your extreme anger at an other countries liberal faction in their politics. Slow down, take a few breathes, and practice your reading comprehension. Dont take it upon yourself to interpret what someone says, to decide that they are "inferring" things just try to address what they said..........or not.
Yeah, I'm aware of that unsubstantiated conservative meme. But the Bureau of Labor has counted unemployment in the exact same way since at least 1948, and Obama achieved well below average unemployment by the end of his term.
Just the facts.
Right, ban FedEx and US airlines from flying Chinese goods out for sale in the US. That'll work.
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Yes, Walmart should get rid of all nonessential goods.
Americans have too much of the world's wealth. Past time for greedy millennials to be unable to afford a new phone every year in which to play Pokemon. When you buy an iPhone, another third world child misses a meal.
It is a zero sum game. Trump may finally end America's ridiculous over indulgence. We'll know when the obesity rates begin to drop.
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Yes, Walmart should get rid of all nonessential goods.
Americans have too much of the world's wealth. Past time for greedy millennials to be unable to afford a new phone every year in which to play Pokemon. When you buy an iPhone, another third world child misses a meal.
It is a zero sum game. Trump may finally end America's ridiculous over indulgence. We'll know when the obesity rates begin to drop.
The intolerant left.
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What about those in middle America that no longer have jobs because they got shipped to China. It doesn't matter how low you make the prices at that point - you still can't afford anything. If things get a little more expensive but less are dependent on the government to survive, that is a win.
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Do you really think most people here are THAT concerned about low prices? We are on an Apple forum! Talk about First World Problems.
And yet the median income of Americans is lower now than it was in 1999. Note that is eight years of a Democratic administration AND eight years of a Republican administration.
Let's see: Trump can choose to proceed with his trade policies knowing they might injure Apple, a company that supported the Democrats, or he can give China and Apple a break while America and those who were loyal to Trump get shafted.
A collection of companies based in the United States could face "impaired" blowback if President-elect Donald Trump follows through with his campaign plan of imposing a 45 percent tariff on imports from China, as well as considering China "a currency manipulator." According to Chinese newspaper Global Times, these actions will not only negatively affect China's reputation, but "the trade atmosphere between China and the US will become more tense" (via The Guardian).
In retaliation for the potential trade war, Global Times said that China "will take a tit-for-tat approach," and singled out the airline, automobile, and smartphone industries as some of the first potential targets of the tense relationship between the two countries if Trump decides to commit to his trade plan. Specifically, in regards to Apple and the iPhone, the newspaper said that China will cut iPhone sales in the country and subsequently the device "will suffer a setback" if all of this goes through.
Despite the potential for such a disruption, Global Sun thinks there's a possibility that the 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports could have simply been outlandish "campaign rhetoric" and won't be put into action during Trump's presidency. The newspaper ends noting that "the new president will be condemned for his recklessness, ignorance and incompetence and bear all the consequences" if such a trade war does begin.
For Apple, the company has been consistently bolstering its presence in China, most recently announcing a new R&D center in Shenzhen to attract software developers. This year, China lost ground to Europe as Apple's third most profitable market, but Tim Cook remains steadily "optimistic" about Apple's presence in China, saying that "China is not as weak as has been talked about. We may not have the wind at our backs that we once did, but it's more stable than the common view of it."
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Such a difficult choice.
Next time, Mr. Cook, keep your political opinions to yourself.
That seems familiar. Where have I read something about a bankrupt businessman using Chinese labor and products? Oh, steel. Yeah, Chinese steel... and suits and cufflinks and ties and those amazingly, bigly awesome "Trump Steaks" that [were] sold online from "Sharper Image" were probably 100% real Chinese and Mexican "meat"...
Mike Pence is the new Dick Cheney and y'all bought it like "Trump Steaks". I've got eight years of conservative tears I'll be living off of for the next four years, I'd share but I know how some view sharing as "weak". Ironic as the biggest beneficiary of "hand-outs" are white, middle-aged conservative men in the mid-west. I recommend reading up on your President-elect Pence - start with gay conversion therapy and his work as Governor.
The U.S. isn't just screwed, the entire world got screwed. Thanks, Trumpers!
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God bless trump for putting his foot down
Time for America to be great again!!
Time for America to be great again!!