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Except that is a myth propagated by the media and liberal losers. Try to read more than 140 characters. It is really not that hard.
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Who's he?
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Nope, not once, unless you only believe the 140 character headlines crafted by the opposition media, or the paid protesters.

Lol @ "not once" - your priviledge and ignorance are shining like a pre-2016 MacBook Apple logo.
 
You might but hardly anyone else would (would be able to), the devices are already at the upper margin of what most who buy them can afford. The number of active users would plummet and the entire ecosystem would become unviable. If we're trying to close the gap between the haves and have nots making everything more expensive doesn't seem seem like the best way to do it.

I suppose you could reduce the price by capping the size of the margin Apple was permitted to make but that doesn't seem to fit well with a capitalist system and I'm assuming the USA isn't proposing such a radical shift in it's economy.

Then maybe it really would be a premium product.

It is not Apple's problem that people are spending above their means. People can barely afford their electric bill and have no savings yet manage to buy a new iPhone every year.
 
You'd still have plenty of jobs created along with the wide variety of jobs that support manufacturing industry.

You'd have some but nowhere near enough to make a difference. The figures I used before were using the US minimum wage but they'd have to pay more than that for skilled labour. Add in higher energy, distribution, insurance, building, environmental compliance costs etc. they'd be lucky to create 100,000 extra jobs manufacturing side I think. And they'd be extremely short term jobs too, the move is towards 100% automation in the medium term, then all those people would be back to square one.

The Mac Pro is an exceptional product, it retails for $3000 minimum, so it's easier to absorb higher production costs and it hardly creates any extra jobs doing it.
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Then maybe it really would be a premium product.

It is not Apple's problem that people are spending above their means. People can barely afford their electric bill and have no savings yet manage to buy a new iPhone every year.

So basically, tough on everyone who isn't rich. If people can't afford Apples products, how is that not Apples problem. Who does it benefit to force Apple into producing products no one can afford. And more to the point how does that help close the gap between the haves and the have nots, which is one of the defining features of this election. Plus the ecosystem absolutely requires a minimum number of users in order to make it viable.
 
Nope.

We're both - and we can be both. And we once were both.
No. Not at all.

You should look at studies on millennials. They don't want to work routine jobs at all. They want to work jobs where they get to create intellectual property.

Factory work don't create intellectual property.
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You think building iPhones in the US would triple the price? Now who's being naive?
How much do you think your clothing prices would rise? Because the correct answer is around 3-4x price increase when clothing is manufactured in the US.

What about your food prices? Because we actually send fish to China for processing.

NEVER artificially rise prices. You will harm the economy when that happens.
 
No. Not at all.

You should look at studies on millennials. They don't want to work routine jobs at all. They want to work jobs where they get to create intellectual property.

Factory work don't create intellectual property.
Is this the same millennials that were told all their lives they had to go to college, get a degree, any degree and they will be able to make a lot of money? Those same millennials that have staggering student loan debt and if they are lucky a job as a barista?
 
The reason Apple builds iPhones in China is because labor is so cheap, they don't have to spend money on automation. By building in the US, they'd improve their processes with new automation and cut labor requirements.
And automated factories creates very few jobs in the US. The multi-billion dollar Global Foundries factory in upstate New York only has a few hundred jobs, not the tens of thousands you'd expect from such an expensive project. A multi-billion dollar data center might only have a few dozen jobs.

Sorry, but economists already played out this argument, and they all support globalization. ALL of them.
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Is this the same millennials that were told all their lives they had to go to college, get a degree, any degree and they will be able to make a lot of money? Those same millennials that have staggering student loan debt and if they are lucky a job as a barista?

Yes. Those same millennials. They don't even apply to factory jobs.
 
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No. Not at all.

You should look at studies on millennials. They don't want to work routine jobs at all. They want to work jobs where they get to create intellectual property.

Factory work don't create intellectual property.
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How much do you think your clothing prices would rise? Because the correct answer is around 3-4x price increase when clothing is manufactured in the US.

What about your food prices? Because we actually send fish to China for processing.

NEVER artificially rise prices. You will harm the economy when that happens.
There are plenty of Americans that would love a job. Especially blue collar workers and people that attended technical schools.
 
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Because other people can provide the same product for a cheaper price.
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The only thing Trump will do is cause business to go overseas, cutting down our economy.

There has never been an economy that grew by increasing tariffs.

if he was going to do that he wouldn't have won the election
 
And thus the problem with politics. You couldn't back that up to save your life, yet you say it like it is cold hard fact. Liberals hate Christians. There, I can do it too (although I can back that up with at least a few examples).

Yeah no. It's not like Trump has openly suggested he'd go back on marriage equality, or his VP supports conversion camps is it? But please tell me how poor Christians are discriminated against.
 
You'd have some but nowhere near enough to make a difference. The figures I used before were using the US minimum wage but they'd have to pay more than that for skilled labour. Add in higher energy, distribution, insurance, building, environmental compliance costs etc. they'd be lucky to create 100,000 extra jobs manufacturing side I think. And they'd be extremely short term jobs too, the move is towards 100% automation in the medium term, then all those people would be back to square one.

The Mac Pro is an exceptional product, it retails for $3000 minimum, so it's easier to absorb higher production costs and it hardly creates any extra jobs doing it.
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So basically, tough on everyone who isn't rich. If people can't afford Apples products, how is that not Apples problem. Who does it benefit to force Apple into producing products no one can afford. And more to the point how does that help close the gap between the haves and the have nots, which is one of the defining features of this election. Plus the ecosystem absolutely requires a minimum number of users in order to make it viable.
You'd have some but nowhere near enough to make a difference. The figures I used before were using the US minimum wage but they'd have to pay more than that for skilled labour. Add in higher energy, distribution, insurance, building, environmental compliance costs etc. they'd be lucky to create 100,000 extra jobs manufacturing side I think. And they'd be extremely short term jobs too, the move is towards 100% automation in the medium term, then all those people would be back to square one.

The Mac Pro is an exceptional product, it retails for $3000 minimum, so it's easier to absorb higher production costs and it hardly creates any extra jobs doing it.
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So basically, tough on everyone who isn't rich. If people can't afford Apples products, how is that not Apples problem. Who does it benefit to force Apple into producing products no one can afford. And more to the point how does that help close the gap between the haves and the have nots, which is one of the defining features of this election. Plus the ecosystem absolutely requires a minimum number of users in order to make it viable.


You act like it is a God given right to own an iPhone. Apple is a private company and can do what they please. The only people they really owe anything to are their investors.

This is not about haves and have nots. By your logic, we should be outraged that everyone cannot afford a Ferrari and we should be imposing tariffs on the Italian company until they make it affordable for the common man (never). These are luxury toys. You do not need an iPhone to survive.
 
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No I don't, I'm simply saying that by moving manufacturing to the US the cost would increase significantly. Many people that could afford iPhones now, would no longer be able to afford them. Possibly so many that it would make the Apple ecosystem as a whole unsustainable and that such a situation is to no ones benefit. Ferraris have nothing to do with it, God certainly doesn't have anything to do with it. And life, is about more than just survival, or at least it should be. Furthermore this election was absolutely about the haves and have nots, about the vast number of people that have been left behind by globalisation, I may not agree with the result but it was that faction of voters that swung the election in his - Trumps - favour.

You say Apple is a private company and can do what they please but imposing import tariffs in an effort to force production to move back to the US is the exact opposite of free. You may as well say you're free to choose any colour as long as it's black. It is the lack of import tariffs and globalisation as a whole that is behind the vast increase in wealth of Western countries and behind the success of companies like Apple and behind much of humanities recent scientific progress. Without it the whole world will be worse off. That too many people got left behind is absolutely an issue and we are all responsible to an extent. But don't believe for a minute that things are going to get magically better by the US becoming isolationist, they won't. Never in history has a country pursuing an isolationist agenda become better for it, history shows us such a route is folly, as to most experts and scientists.
 
No I don't, I'm simply saying that by moving manufacturing to the US the cost would increase significantly. Many people that could afford iPhones now, would no longer be able to afford them. Possibly so many that it would make the Apple ecosystem as a whole unsustainable and that such a situation is to no ones benefit. Ferraris have nothing to do with it, God certainly doesn't have anything to do with it. And life, is about more than just survival, or at least it should be. Furthermore this election was absolutely about the haves and have nots, about the vast number of people that have been left behind by globalisation, I may not agree with the result but it was that faction of voters that swung the election in his - Trumps - favour.

You say Apple is a private company and can do what they please but imposing import tariffs in an effort to force production to move back to the US is the exact opposite of free. You may as well say you're free to choose any colour as long as it's black. It is the lack of import tariffs and globalisation as a whole that is behind the vast increase in wealth of Western countries and behind the success of companies like Apple and behind much of humanities recent scientific progress. Without it the whole world will be worse off. That too many people got left behind is absolutely an issue and we are all responsible to an extent. But don't believe for a minute that things are going to get magically better by the US becoming isolationist, they won't. Never in history has a country pursuing an isolationist agenda become better for it, history shows us such a route is folly, as to most experts and scientists.

How are equating a more equal trade policy with isolationism?
 
You're missing their point. Accord to him/her and their vast research, jobless millennials don't want that kind of work.
I pitty the left that looks down on hard working Americans. But I guess with their recent campaign message I shouldn't. Divide and Cater. When you get into an argument the other side is racist, sexist, islamophobic, and deplorable. When you lose- just throw a riot because you missed out on your good partipation award.
 
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I pitty the left that looks down on hard working Americans. But I guess with their recent campaign message I shouldn't. Divide and Cater. When you get into an argument the other side is racist, sexist, islamophobic, and deplorable. When you lose- just throw a riot because you missed out on your good partipation award.

Mike Rowe for Secretary of Labor!
 
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This is definitely PRSI because the headline and the premise is a disproven Democrat talking point!

Trump has stated and clarified many times that during trade NEGOTIATIONS tariffs are ON THE TABLE to encourage WIN-WIN outcomes more so than the ONE WAY outcomes we have now.

It was the policy of President Bill Clinton to enact GLOBALIZATION in order to export middle class lifestyles to communist and war ravaged countries like China, Vietnam, South Korea and others. It worked. It was never turned off or ramped down, and it resulted in WHOLESALE exportation of our manufacturing base to those countries and others like Mexico.

Now to be fair those countries are now more civil, less warlike, and more interconnected with the world. Yes.

However the cost to our domestic economy was two decades of wage stagnation and a long decline in GDP growth and money velocity. Check my links.

Trump (and the vast number of partners he is building) simply wants to stop the bleeding. It really is that simple.
Ummm you'd be shocked to learn wages haven't gone up since the 1980s.
 
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Please....jump over the boarder to Mexico if you think Trump is bad. He hasn't even taking office yet and people are screaming, "Judgement day!!!!"
 
Free trade is non-artificial. What we have now is artificial. Prices and manufacturing sites will reallocate under fair trade. Some goods will be lower cost simply because they are made locally. Locally made goods are exceptionally good for the local economy in terms of jobs, incomes, and money velocity. Look that one up. China has about 7% growth and we have about 1.5%.

So why aren't you upset the iPhone has dislocated Nokia, Blackberry and Windows phone? Those are market effects with minimal cost reasons. iPhone is more expensive!

Inflation is a monetary effect from printing too much money. Price changes are market effects, hence why gasoline prices go both up and down all the time.

Chinese goods are cheaper more due to bypassing rights holders fees than purely labor. Think generic brands. Also the factories are subject to far fewer regulations and taxation. Chinese labor was far cheaper until recently, but labor is only under 10% of the cost of goods even in the USA. Closer to 5% for mass market goods.
7% growth in China would cause inflation if they weren't manipulating their currency. Inflation is not necessarily the result of printing too much money. Economic growth that happens above 3 or 4 percent causes inflation as well. More money chasing the same amount of goods means the price is going up on goods until equilibrium is hit. Everything isn't about printing new money. It could be that too much old money is in the market. The fed will raise rates to cool things off.

Printing money isn't all bad. Sometimes it's necessary particularly when the economy falls into a recession. You want to keep the flow of money going in a down economy and force the banks and the investor class to continue to persue business opportunities as the newly printed money becomes a tax on the richest Americans during the down times if they don't invest their money.
 
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Can't see this one. File under "backpedal".

Why not? It's one of his top campaign promises…. trade protectionism for the USA.

Granted, many Reagan-Bush Republicans actually support free trade. Even George Dubya was totally OK with Bill Clinton's NAFTA embrace, the NAFTA activity actually increased even more during Dubya's term in office. But given the fact that Trump is now appointing "alt-right" Breitbart conservatives to lead his cabinet, the old Reagan-Bush era corporate ideology gets thrown to the gutter.

I think that at the very least POTUS Trump will do his best to throw the free trade thing upside down. How Congress reacts is a different matter.
 
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In the event Trump installs the policies he stated in the campaign, Apple's USA tax rate will drop by 40-50%. They will be able to repatriate their foreign profits. That could actually reduce pressure on prices!

Well I have to disagree with you here. One of Trumps closest advisors is Carl Icahn -if and when that money is repatriated the only place it will show up is in the bank accounts of Apple shareholders (he owns a paltry 40 odd million shares) since he will demand dividends and buybacks, so Carl stands to accumulate a substantial piece of that Apple pie.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-rejects-carl-icahn-s-dividend-and-share-buyback-plan-1.2478911
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Ummm you'd be shocked to learn wages haven't gone up since the 1980s.

Productivity and wages decoupled even earlier...in the 1970s.
 
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