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iPhone SDK Downloaded Over 100,000 Times
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It took me 10 - 20 times of trying to submit my app to get on the list to buy a cert. So, yes I think developers are more then willing to pay $99.
It takes money to make money. Those PC users need buy a Mac and pay 99 for the cert. Those on PPC need get an Intel Mac and pay the 99. Those with Intel need pay the 99.
Before June, there will be close to 600 applications at 99 each. As businesses wake up to the concept of writing private ones, they will also start joining the ranks.
Most people understand that it takes money to make money, even for a lemonade stand.
C# and Objective C are basically apples to oranges comparisons.
I don't know what you mean by "reflection," since one of the touted benefits of a dynamically typed system is that you can send any message to any object -- you don't need reflection.
Is this what you mean by "less restrictive?" That you don't need to think in terms of interfaces and abstractions? It is these very restrictions that give strongly typed languages their safety and lower maintenance costs...by making it harder to use objects improperly (which 9 times out of 10 is what reflection is used for) and forcing others to obey a method's contracts, you don't have to worry as much about a junior programmer bringing down your application by injecting a bunch of spaghetti into a finely tuned but unrestrictive framework.
As for elegance...IMO, there is equal beauty and simplicity in the best Obj C as there is in the best .NET, just as there is equal beauty (though I argue NOT simplicity) between Visual Studio .NET and Xcode. One's a better RAD/RP tool, the other's a better tool for building exactly what you want and nothing more. I think that it's a lot easier to pick up and go on a .NET platform, which leads to more ****** code, and I think I'm fine with that. Developer elitism isn't a bad thing for software consumers; I like that there are fewer apps for OSX, because many of those are better polished.
First time programmer and I am sooooo pissed with it!!! Well, more of my inability to grasp anything to do with programming whatsoever.
Seriously, I read docs on the dev support site, copy code they say is right into the SDK, then click Build & Go to check it works only for it to say "Undeclared" or some really stupid thing.
Im hopeless
Let's be clear here... this is NOT a problem with the SDK. You are biting off way more than you should be to get into programming.
Programming is not difficult. What is difficult is understanding the concepts of computer science and application development.
My suggestion for you is to buy a book on introduction to programming with C. Read the whole thing and try to understand every example.
Then, once you have that, you can move up to Objective-C and Cocoa and iPhone development.
Yeah but even if " only " 1000 are real developers and each of them submits one single app it´s going to be 1000 apps to choose from .
WOW ... i love it .... my ipt has a great future
Saludos
100000 downloads x 2.1GB = 205.078125 terabytes and growing!
That's gotta be one helluva bandwidth bill
That's gotta be one helluva bandwidth bill
While I am not interested in developing apps for sale, I am planning on downloading the SDK to play around with it and see what I can do with my previous experience in BASIC and C++. I think some (if not many) people who are downloading the SDK are people like me, who don't have plans to release any apps, but just want to see what they can do with it with their knowledge of other languages.
Ah! The problem!! The SDK is Intel only mate, no PPC support, as is increasingly apparent (or not) in Apple stuff. No bad thing as the world keeps on a-rollin', but sad still
Yeah I know it ain't the SDK
I found a book on C conveniently enough, and I'm going through that. Should've done that first really, as Obj-C is a superset of C, so I should've known lol.
Ah, the 16 year old mind
That cheeky Apple XD.
Yeah, I've always wondered what's with the front page. I thought at most it'd be a small box on the front page (for old news, but they could have changed that) I guess this may explain it? XD
100000 downloads x 2.1GB = 205.078125 terabytes and growing!
That's gotta be one helluva bandwidth bill
2GB? Mines is 5GB...and i already had developers tools
. *waits for someone to tell him that there was an option for SDK only (it always happens...)*Actually I've already ported some of my C networking programs over to the iPhone with very little trouble. From what I've seen so far, the iPhone supports the entire C POSIX library which is a good thing. I've just been using the iPhone project templates and figuring out which callbacks to use and when.
Most of my programming is cross platform in nature, so I've avoided many of the OSX libraries to date. I guess it's time to pick those up so I can at least build some GUIs to the various utilities I've already starting writing. BTW, if you're a dev, the video intros on the iPhone dev site do a good job at explaining the various frameworks.
I think out of those 100,000 downloads, only 5000 would ever write an application.
Which is still damn good.
>100,000 is BAD
Am I the only one who sees so many downloads as BAD.
BRING ON MAC VIRUSES AND TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I the only one who sees so many downloads as BAD.
BRING ON MAC VIRUSES AND TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is bad advice.
When you get down to it, learning the ins and outs of C -- compiler directives, pointer management, even the C standard libraries -- won't help you all that much because most of this is streamlined or handled for you by XCode.
Furthermore, C is a procedural language -- Objective C is an object oriented one, and that means it represents a completely different paradigm. This means the right way of doing things in C often isn't the right way to do them in ObjC. As such, learning C first won't get you 50% of the way to learning ObjC, it'll get you maybe 25% of the way there...and then you'll still need to learn Cocoa and the other libraries.
You'd be better suited to check out one of the tutorial videos that Apple released along with the SDK -- they will start you learning the XCode IDE simultaneously with the API and all aspects of the language.
As a reference, may I suggest O'Reilly's "Learning Cocoa with Objective-C"?
And finally, if this is your first software project, your ass is likely to be very well kicked. Don't let this discourage you -- one of my first projects out of college was a media player for the Windows CE operating system, which is nowhere near as well documented or well realized as the iPhone SDK -- just expect to do some good, hard work, and moreover set goals that are valuable to you but also attainable.
Am I the only one who sees so many downloads as BAD.
BRING ON MAC VIRUSES AND TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, like that huge explosion in virsuses we got after apple started including developer tools in every OS release. (unless you were being sarcastic)
The SDK is only for Intel processors not PPC. You can run XCode and develop but not test it. I should try that on my G4 mac mini see if it runs on my intel iMac using the simulator.
I think this is a way to sell more intel macs.
Am I the only one who sees so many downloads as BAD.
BRING ON MAC VIRUSES AND TROJANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What? Dude, XCode and the various Mac APIs have been free to developers from 10.0 and we haven't seen this. How's the iPhone API, and Apple's decision to only allow vetted developers to release applications that are signed and managed by Apple herself, going to lead to Mac viruses and trojans?
And more importantly, why am I posting on a forum full of such hair-brained suggestions when there's work to be done?
Some book references...
Programming in Objective-C - Stephen G. Kochan ISBN 0-672-672-32586-1
Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X - Aaron Hillegass OSBN 0-321-21314-9
The first is pure Objective-C, while the second has a good intro to the language as well.
100,000 downloads? How many Mac Minis are going to be bought as dev machines?
Programming in Objective-C - Stephen G. Kochan ISBN 0-672-672-32586-1
Cocoa Programming for Mac OS X - Aaron Hillegass OSBN 0-321-21314-9
The first is pure Objective-C, while the second has a good intro to the language as well.
100,000 downloads? How many Mac Minis are going to be bought as dev machines?
100,000 downloads, 90% by non-developers and 10% by real developers.
10,000 downloads by developers, 90% because they are curious and 10% because they actually want to develop iPhone applications.
1,000 downloads by serious iPhone developers, 90% by those who aren't properly skilled to use it, 10% by those who are.
100 downloads by serious and skilled iPhone developers, 90% by those who don't have a good application idea, 10% by those who do.
10 downloads by serious and skilled iPhone developers with a good application idea, 90% for applications I'm not interested in, 10% for applications I'm interested in.
I'm looking forward to that one great application!
I also think these estimates are way too low. Watch for hundreds of good applications coming to an iTunes Store near you.
10,000 downloads by developers, 90% because they are curious and 10% because they actually want to develop iPhone applications.
1,000 downloads by serious iPhone developers, 90% by those who aren't properly skilled to use it, 10% by those who are.
100 downloads by serious and skilled iPhone developers, 90% by those who don't have a good application idea, 10% by those who do.
10 downloads by serious and skilled iPhone developers with a good application idea, 90% for applications I'm not interested in, 10% for applications I'm interested in.
I'm looking forward to that one great application!
I also think these estimates are way too low. Watch for hundreds of good applications coming to an iTunes Store near you.