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I’ve just factory reset my iPhone 7/128, set up SE 2020 wallpaper. Now I have an opportunity to experience 4.7” form factor along with my current Xr :) I won’t make a reasonable money from it and I don’t care about wireless charging. That’s it :)
 
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This is merely a textbook spec comparison. I think it would have been a far more compelling and informative comparison to report impressions after a few days of real life usage. Specifically when it comes to battery life, which was the Achilles heel of the iPhone 8.
 
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This is merely a textbook spec comparison. I think it would have been a far more compelling and informative comparison to report impressions after a few days of real life usage. Specifically when it comes to battery life, which was the Achilles heel of the iPhone 8.

No. The battery life does not have any noticeable improvement.
 
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This article would have been more apropos if you had waited until the new SE was released, and did actual hands on comparison between the two phones. As such, making any recommendation involving a phone that hasn’t been released is illogical.
Hardware-wise it behaves exactly like an iPhone 8 (minus 3D Touch). Performance-wise it behaves exactly like an iPhone 11 (slightly faster graphics as it has to render fewer pixels).

If you lack the imagination as to how an iPhone 8 with iPhone 11 performance would compare against an iPhone Xr, that is your problem. There is almost nothing that cannot be accurately predicted in regard to how they compare.

Please name a couple of things that only a hands-on comparison could reveal.
 
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I'm wondering when the tear down is revealed will we find it is using the same LCD display panel as the iPhone 8 that includes the hardware built into the screen for 3D Touch and that is disabled in software for the SE.

I can bet it will be iPhone 8 with a different name. As iPhone 8 owner I hardly see the point. And have to admit it’s very lazy (as usual) approach to design from Apple.
 
This is merely a textbook spec comparison. I think it would have been a far more compelling and informative comparison to report impressions after a few days of real life usage. Specifically when it comes to battery life, which was the Achilles heel of the iPhone 8.
Well, if it has the same screen and the same battery size AND Apple quotes the same battery life as for the iPhone 8, it is pretty much guaranteed to have a very similar battery life. Sometimes it is really possible to predict things accurately, this is one of those situation.
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I can bet it will be iPhone 8 with a different name. As iPhone 8 owner I hardly see the point. And have to admit it’s very lazy (as usual) approach to design from Apple.
Compare the iPhone 8 with the iPhone 7, apart from inductive charging, that was an even smaller upgrade (and it came without a price drop).
 
”two reasons to choose the iPhone XR over the new iPhone SE would be its larger 6.1-inch display and its modern design with slim bezels”

imo the XR (girlfriend’s phone) has not a ’modern design’ but a ’bulky’ design and the bezels are NOT slim ; actually the lateral side bezels are thicker on the XR than 2nd SE
 
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At you sure iPhone SE is using the old iPhone 8 camera sensor and not the newer Xr camera sensor ? Source ?
Macrumors seem to be speculating on this claim that iphone SE uses the iphone 8 camera lens. Either way Apple have stated categorically in their marketing that the iphone SE has the “best single camera system in any iphone” so its better than the XR camera on this basis alone.
 
little advice / improvement: if yor're using the metric system for thickness and other measurements (mm, cm and so on) please use grams as well.. or at least use both grams and pounds. the pound differs between the british and the us., and thats not easy for the rest of the world (as it is germany with me)

cheers
 
I can bet it will be iPhone 8 with a different name. As iPhone 8 owner I hardly see the point. And have to admit it’s very lazy (as usual) approach to design from Apple.

Amen. It's exactly the 8 (a.k.a. 6sss) with a different name and a better SoC. It's funny how some people got excited about the "Liquid Retina" which refers to exactly the same LCD display, just wrapped around the edges, something that doesn't even apply here. Don't buy into Schiller's marketing jargon, friends.

Not only it's lazy beyond reprieve for a company with the resources and talent pool of Apple, my beef is all the tech bloggers/youtubers who still hail it as an accomplishment in value. Starting at €479 in EU it's not exactly a burner phone price, just because Apple and other major OEM's have gaslit us to accept the idea of a €1000+ smartphone.
 
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Compare the iPhone 8 with the iPhone 7, apart from inductive charging, that was an even smaller upgrade (and it came without a price drop).

It's a very insignificant update and no one is going to often use inductive charging due to slow charging speed. Apple is so lazy that it did not make any improvement with QI charger and absolutely not worth upgrading to the iPhone 8S.
 
Amen. It's exactly the 8 (a.k.a. 6sss) with a different name and a better SoC. It's funny how some people got excited about the "Liquid Retina" which refers to exactly the same LCD display, just wrapped around the edges, something that doesn't even apply here. Don't buy into Schiller's marketing jargon, friends.

Not only it's lazy beyond reprieve for a company with the resources and talent pool of Apple, my beef is all the tech bloggers/youtubers who still hail it as an accomplishment in value. Starting at €479 in EU it's not exactly a burner phone price, just because Apple and other major OEM's have gaslit us to accept the idea of a €1000+ smartphone.
Otternonsense, the iphone SE screen has not been marketed as having a ‘liquid retina screen’ unless i am missing something. Oh and i will never accept the idea of $/£1000 phone. The iphone pro’s are premium, well built phones no doubt, but not worth £/$1000 in anyway whatsoever.
 
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Otternonsense, the iphone SE screen has not been marketed as having a ‘liquid retina screen’ unless i am missing something. Oh and i will never accept the idea of $/£1000 phone. The iphone pro’s are premium, well built phones no doubt, but not worth £/$1000 in anyway whatsoever.

I'm with you. I bring it up because I noticed quite a few tweets putting the SE and Liquid Retina in the same wishful sentence.
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It's a very insignificant update and no one is going to often use inductive charging due to slow charging speed. Apple is so lazy that it did not make any improvement with QI charger and absolutely not worth upgrading to the iPhone 8S.

I've used it personally but I can definitely live without it. Its main usefulness is to sell more nice-looking NOMAD chargers (I have one by the bed).
 
Hardware-wise it behaves exactly like an iPhone 8 (minus 3D Touch). Performance-wise it behaves exactly like an iPhone 11 (slightly faster graphics as it has to render fewer pixels).

If you lack the imagination as to how an iPhone 8 with iPhone 11 performance would compare against an iPhone Xr, that is your problem. There is almost nothing that cannot be accurately predicted in regard to how they compare.

Please name a couple of things that only a hands-on comparison could reveal.
Quoting specs of the two phones is one thing. Testing a new phone on daily usage with a established phone with a track record is quite another. Specs are important. However, they in and of themselves should not be used to make recommendations to other forum members, especially when said secs involve a new phone that hasn’t been released.

I don’t need vivid imagination to ignore to read about an article that involves directing possible customers as to how to spend their money. What I do need is common sense mixed with logical reasoning, so that I can make an informed decision about one of the phones.

Joe isn’t the only person to make such a comparison. The internet is replete with numerous YouTube videos and tech articles written by people who are supposed to be experienced when informing others about tech.

In my opinion, Joe and many others on YouTube are responsible for informing and influencing the viewer or reader about technology that affects our lives and wallets. As such, responsible reporting and influencing should provide a balanced overall picture and viewpoint, instead of only providing half of the story. That is laziness and the readers of MacRumors deserve better.

I don’t appreciate your insult. If you can’t reply to a forum member without insulting them in some way, don’t waste my time replying to my post, because I won’t engage someone who purposely insults me, all because he or she doesn’t agree with what I said.
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Which modem is used in iPhone SE 2020 - Intel or Qualcomm?
Nobody outside of Apple (at this time) knows. And we won’t know for sure until a teardown is done. More then likely, it will be Intel, given the recent legal problems between Apple and Qualcomm.
 
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The iPhone XR is a complete flop, so will be the “new iPhone SE”.

XR is vastly inferior to the iPhone X in any sense and the “new SE” is nothing but a bumped up iPhone 8. There are already tons of unsold 8s on the shelves and in the storages across the globe. The new SE should have been a bumped up original SE, it would sell out like hot cakes... stupid decision from a stupid management!
 
I'm surprised that Apple did not send any Youtubers a SE to (p)review before the launch. Normally as soon as Apple releases a new product the likes of MKBHD, iJustine and so on publish their (p)review. I'm wondering why they didn't do that this time? Coronavirus maybe?

The four big unknowns for now are the camera, the battery life, if the SE is going to destroy Android manufactures as we know them and when the SE1 users are going to stop crying that the SE2 is so gigantic compared to their phone.
 
I think it's important to note that the US market is only one of the targets for this phone. While it's conception and gestation were mostly underway prior to the current Global Crisis, IMO this phone is primarily for Asia. From East to West. South East to North West.

While it's higher priced in areas outside the US for the most part, IMO, you will see this device explode in markets like India , and China even with the global concerns. I can see this really digging into 11 sales in China once they begin to really purchase again.

India especially. If I'm not mistake this is it's country of origin, yes? India was manufacturing the 8. No more 8, so now the SE?
Indians will jump all over an iPhone at a lower price point that is manufactured in their frontward.

Of course this assumes in 12m there will still be a Global Economy. I'm trying to be a "glass half full" guy these days.
 
Quoting specs of the two phones is one thing. Testing a new phone on daily usage with a established phone with a track record is quite another. Specs are important. However, they in and of themselves should not be used to make recommendations to other forum members, especially when said secs involve a new phone that hasn’t been released.
When you have two phones with very similar specs, it really doesn’t take a genius to predict that they will handle very similarly in real life.
 
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