Now how about a smaller one. like the OG SE
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iPhone SE 4 Said to Feature 48MP Rear Lens, 12MP TrueDepth Camera
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My anecdote is solely confined to LCD iPad vs OLED iPhone. Everyone here totally prefers an OLED tv and OLED laptop screen to comparable LCDs
I've been an iPhone SE user since the first model. I don't use it to play games or watch movies, I use it because it's inexpensive and works seamlessly with the Apple ecosystem I've been part of since 1986. So 60Hz, even though I'm aware of it, isn't a deal killer.
Can Apple put 120Hz screen on budget iPhone? They can, but they won. They need to put clear division between Pro line iPhone and regular iPhone.
Except the reason "pro motion" has been limited to more expensive models isn't because its a cost barrier for Apple, its used a product differentiator - to steer folks wanting the "best" to higher profit margin models and nothing more.
While i think the target market for an SE is generally not going to care either because of ignorance or indifference, it starts getting embarrassing when even the flagship base model doesn't have it but very cheap, basic androids have 90+ refresh rates.
The other day I was picking up a package at a local electronics retailer, and I spent some time absent-mindedly browsing through the various Android phones they had there. At one point I realized I was swiping on a $150 phone (in Europe, so that's after tax and everything) with a 90 Hz display. Not 120 Hz, but my iPhone didn't feel very high-end compared to that.
So yeah, that's the competition that Apple now has.
I wondr how many, when they compare phones, notice any difference? I suspect it is small.
Higher prices do not mean higher margins, margin is based on price and cost, and a $400 device could have a higher margin than a $1000 one. One example of that is from a home party sales model company, where one of the highest margin products was the cheapest, something they did because people would feel obligated to buy at least something and would get the cheapest product, and thus make the highest contribution to margin.
Exactly. If you just want a phone to do some basic tasks and take an occasional photo; an SE may be a better value than a 16 with features you do not need. Tapping into that market is a smart move, not only from sales perspective but expanding the user base and potential to sell other services.
I don't know if it's even remotely accurate, but that render looks so good. 👀
I have a Pro Max, and I don't know anything about refresh rates. A modern iPhone for that price? My next iPhone might be a SE.
There is more interest in the SE and such now because the Pro Phones lack functional differentiators outside of camera quality (and camera quality on the lower end iPhones is damn good nowadays). Looking back at my Photos library, photos taken with cameras as old as the 6S still look good. A modern SE at $500 that gets years of iOS updates may be among the best buys of the year. Shame it wont have Always On….
I don’t believe anyone seriously in the market for an iPhone SE is concerned about the screen refresh rate. Keeping it to 60Hz will be one of a number of ways Apple will keep the price of the new SE down while offering many features one would expect in a base 16 or 17.
I'm still holding out hope that the next SE will have the Mini design.
Why not putting TouchID on the power button to reduce the size of the dynamic island? The SE is a « budget « phone, surely a touch sensor button is worth less than a FaceID device. That would give the SE something unique in the lineup.
They don't need an excuse. They make and sell them, so they set the pricing. If you don't like it, you're feel to buy something else. They aren't going to give you almost everything a Pro phone has for half the price. If you want a cheap phone, that's the option.
My opinion only but the size of the SE 4 is too big for me to have any interest in it.
I would have no problem paying a premium for a smaller phone with the newest tech.
As it is, I plan on buying an SE 3 next year before the SE 4 is release.
I would have no problem paying a premium for a smaller phone with the newest tech.
As it is, I plan on buying an SE 3 next year before the SE 4 is release.
The SE is the one to get. Why pay ~$350 more for 120hz and a barely viable ultra wide camera?
Hopefully it's smaller than the current behemoth offerings.
FaceID and I'll start saving right now for this replacement for my 12 mini. And of course "mini" size. I want a phone that is not a tablet.
Apple's forthcoming iPhone SE 4 will feature a single 48-megapixel rear camera and a 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera on the front, according to details revealed in a new Korean supply chain report.
ET News reports that Korea-based LG Innotek is the main supplier of the front and rear camera modules for the more budget-friendly ~$400 device, which is expected to launch in the first quarter of next year. Foxconn and Cowell Electronics are also said to be contributing camera parts.
The current iPhone 16 uses a rear 48-megapixel Wide Angle lens, which Apple refers to as a "Fusion" lens, so-called because of its ability to be used for both standard photos and cropped-in 2x zoom photos. The iPhone 16 also features a 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera on the front, suggesting the fourth-generation iPhone SE could include the same camera setup, just minus the additional Ultra Wide camera.
The iPhone SE 4 is rumored to have an all-display design similar to the iPhone 14, featuring Face ID instead of Touch ID, a 6.06-inch display, OLED display technology instead of LCD, a USB-C port, the iPhone 14 battery, 8GB RAM to support Apple Intelligence, and perhaps a multi-purpose Action button to replace the mute switch. The iPhone SE 4 is also expected to be the first device that is equipped with an Apple-designed 5G chip.
Apple announced the existing third-generation iPhone SE on March 8, 2022, while the successor device could well debut around March 2025, according to reports.
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So it is a single camera and Apple Modem iPhone 16 in iPhone 14 design?
This will sell really at $499. But this also begs the question why would anyone want to buy iPhone 14, iPhone 15 or iPhone 16 apart from the camera.
May be it will replace the whole iPhone 14 line up and starts at $599 ?
This will sell really at $499. But this also begs the question why would anyone want to buy iPhone 14, iPhone 15 or iPhone 16 apart from the camera.
May be it will replace the whole iPhone 14 line up and starts at $599 ?
“Some people, they simply love smaller phones. They want the most compact iPhone design.”
I strongly suspect that Apple will stop selling the iPhone 14 after the new SE goes on sale. And, even if they don’t, the somewhat awkward situation will go away after the iPhone 17 series is introduced toward the end of 2025. The 14 would normally be dropped at that point anyway.
In fact, I can see Apple going a step further and dropping the iPhone 15 as an offering at the same time - if for no other reason than the base 15 and 15 Plus can’t do AI. So the lineup then COULD be SE, base 17, 17 Air, 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max. I think that would work. The base 16 and 16 Plus? They do AI now but I’m not sure where they would fit in the lineup pricewise - unless the 17 series is much more expensive than we expect.
EDIT: How about this?
$499 - SE
$599 - 16
$699 - 16 Plus
$799 - 17
$899 - 17 Air/Slim
$999 - 17 Pro
$1099 - 17 Pro Max
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No not won’t come with a battery. It will need to be constantly plugged into the wall.
No one here, unless they work for Apple and have access to some choice sales data, can claim to know what some given "percentage of iPhone buyers" prefer or know about. They represent what they want out of an iPhone. For someone to want iPhones to stop using screen refresh as part of the pricing ladder is not some left-field idea in a world where no other manufacturer of smartphones uses screen refresh that way.
Conversely, a Windows user might look how every single device Apple sells with a screen, from the cheapest Apple Watch on up, uses a high DPI panel ("retina," if you must use Apple's marketing nonsense terminology) and wish that manufacturers of Windows-based laptops and tablets would do the same instead of using garbage panels to save a much because "no one will notice the difference."
I don't care what anyone else likes or wants. Don't care about high refresh rates on your $499 (or $799, for that matter) smartphone? Your choice, not for me to say. If you still find enough value in such an expensive device, more power to you. But I personally don't pay even a dime to Apple or any other company because I wubs them so much. I pay them for value and function. And gatekeeping such a baseline feature to me feels like little more than mustache-twirling profiteering.
yeah, I'm just interested in an SE bc of the possibility of a smaller sized model. When I buy my next phone, if they make an iPhone 18 Pro Mini that costs as much as a Max, then that's what I'm buying. If it's in the form of an SE that's a budget model, then that's what I'm buying. If it's still an SE3 or iPhone 13 Mini, then that's what I'm buying. I didn't care as much about size before, but the bigger the displays get year after year, the more having a small one becomes my #1 "feature", and any #2 feature is far off & distant.