how about making it 5.8" with LCD to differentiate it from the regular iPhone. It would come in cheaper. My favorite phone was still the 12 mini, although the 14 plus was pretty fun as well. I'll never own a pro phone.
Apple's forthcoming iPhone SE 4 will feature a single 48-megapixel rear camera and a 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera on the front, according to details revealed in a new Korean supply chain report.
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ET News reports that Korea-based LG Innotek is the main supplier of the front and rear camera modules for the more budget-friendly ~$400 device, which is expected to launch in the first quarter of next year. Foxconn and Cowell Electronics are also said to be contributing camera parts.
The current iPhone 16 uses a rear 48-megapixel Wide Angle lens, which Apple refers to as a "Fusion" lens, so-called because of its ability to be used for both standard photos and cropped-in 2x zoom photos. The iPhone 16 also features a 12-megapixel TrueDepth camera on the front, suggesting the fourth-generation iPhone SE could include the same camera setup, just minus the additional Ultra Wide camera.
The iPhone SE 4 is rumored to have an all-display design similar to the iPhone 14, featuring Face ID instead of Touch ID, a 6.06-inch display, OLED display technology instead of LCD, a USB-C port, the iPhone 14 battery, 8GB RAM to support Apple Intelligence, and perhaps a multi-purpose Action button to replace the mute switch. The iPhone SE 4 is also expected to be the first device that is equipped with an Apple-designed 5G chip.
Apple announced the existing third-generation iPhone SE on March 8, 2022, while the successor device could well debut around March 2025, according to reports.
Article Link: iPhone SE 4 Said to Feature 48MP Rear Lens, 12MP TrueDepth Camera
I strongly suspect that Apple will stop selling the iPhone 14 after the new SE goes on sale. And, even if they don’t, the somewhat awkward situation will go away after the iPhone 17 series is introduced toward the end of 2025. The 14 would normally be dropped at that point anyway.
In fact, I can see Apple going a step further and dropping the iPhone 15 as an offering at the same time - if for no other reason than the base 15 and 15 Plus can’t do AI. So the lineup then COULD be SE, base 17, 17 Air, 17 Pro and 17 Pro Max. I think that would work. The base 16 and 16 Plus? They do AI now but I’m not sure where they would fit in the lineup pricewise - unless the 17 series is much more expensive than we expect.
EDIT: How about this?
$499 - SE
$599 - 16
$699 - 16 Plus
$799 - 17
$899 - 17 Air/Slim
$999 - 17 Pro
$1099 - 17 Pro Max
I'm betting it is a higher percentage than those who buy the iPhone 15 or 16.Serious question:
what percentage of iPhone SE buyers do you think know anything about screen refresh rates?
Unfortunately, we lost all of that. These !@#$ people who aren't going to buy one are so worried that their co-workers are going to talk bad about the phone and their little egos can't resolve the conflict that we're going with a slab.Home button and no camera cutout/notch on the screen please.![]()
It's odd, though. I bought a Google Pixel 6a as an experiment. I got US$150 off, so it was a relatively inexpensive experiment.If you buy cheap, you get cheap.
I'm betting it is a higher percentage than those who buy the iPhone 15 or 16.
The many very confident statements about how one cannot expect more at the SE’s low price, and giving us the while “you get what you pay for” and explaining how buyers with less than $999 to spend on a smartphone don’t want or need better than 60 Hz, and couldn’t tell the difference either way.Problem is there are Android phones cheaper than the SE that have 120 Hz screens so it’s downright inexcusable for Apple to not have 120 Hz on all their current phones.
The iPhone 15 or 16 is a gateway to the iPhone Pro or Pro Max. Many people are just going for something they think will be popular. They might get it for someone else's approval. They can't afford the Pro or Pro Max and they don't want to be seen with something inexpensive.Care to explain your reasoning?
My wife asked me to find her a good smartphone she could user for another 4-5 years as her Pixel 4A decided to no longer charge battery. I showed her 15 and 15 Pro side by side, asked if she can see any differences in displays and after few minutes of scrolling she said there is none x.x
She's not into tech gadgets, doesn't know anything about specs of the phone, she just want to have a device with she can do the usual stuff efficiently. There are millions potential customers like her. Apple knows this.
P.S. If the new SE looks the same as in the render above, I think I could sell my 15 Pro. :3
The iPhone 15 or 16 is a gateway to the iPhone Pro or Pro Max. Many people are just going for something they think will be popular. They might get it for someone else's approval. They can't afford the Pro or Pro Max and they don't want to be seen with something inexpensive.
The iPhone SE is used by people who have had several phones, want a good model, and don't care about someone else's approval or that they have the biggest, baddest phone. They're not trying to impress anyone. They might have been a person working as an accountant or software developer or an artist, but they've been around technology long enough to not be swayed by each piece of new technology that arrives.
It's easy for someone who doesn't know better to just think that the iPhone SE is for poor people, but that's not really the case.
I'm sure she would. But why would I do that? She's happy with her 15. Also, 120 Hz is more pleasant visually, but there are no other benefits of it (there are benefits of going lower than 60 Hz though). The animations last equally long, so nothing can be done faster or better.Get your wife to use both devices for an entire day and tell her to scroll on web pages etc, bet she sees the difference then!
of course.And the elephant in the room as always is what is not mentioned here: still a 60Hz screen refresh rate, I guess
Any time anything moves! Scrolling, moving the mouse around. It's a lot smoother at double the frame rate.I have an SE2 and 3 and never thought about that. I don't even recognize a difference between my M3 iMac Display 60Hz and the second Display with up to 144Hz depending on the resolution. I mostly use one with 120Hz.
In what situation should I see the difference?
The MacBook Pro M1 that I have and my wife's Iphone 15 Pro with 120Hz that I have used all had stuttering while scrolling.It's odd, though. I bought a Google Pixel 6a as an experiment. I got US$150 off, so it was a relatively inexpensive experiment.
The OLED on the Pixel 6a is a 90 Hz model. It stutters while scrolling. The 2022 iPhone SE has an unsophisticated LCD that doesn't stutter while scrolling and that I can see in bright sunlight, unlike the Pixel 6a. It also has an SoC that isn't years behind the competition, even though it's the same year as the iPhone 13.
The Pixel 6a is cheap. The 2022 iPhone SE is inexpensive.
The latest I read about the upcoming SE is that its weight is expected to be around 5.8-5.9 ounces which I think is reasonably light for a phone that size.My old SE just weight a good 5oz and the iphone 17s are over 7oz! It would be a deal breaker for me if it come much over 5oz...
So why buy an expensive phone when you not even notice the differences 🤔?Screen refresh isn't currently, nor has it ever been, a decision or factor in what device I buy. Same for the few Android users I know.
My wife uses a Pixel 8 and didn't even have high refresh turned on until I showed it to her, six months after she bought it. She doesn't care either way. My work-issued Se is 60, and my personal phone is 120hz... I can't see the difference, and just don't care.
So why buy an expensive phone when you not even notice the differences 🤔?
There's a difference between criticism, constructive criticism and misinformation you are calling factsThere’s nothing misplaced or incorrect about what I said. I understand criticism of android (a product I have well over nearly 2 decades with) bothers ppl for some reason but be that as it may I wasn’t wrong.
Sure they have
refresh rates.
1. They also launch on completely outdated android versions. The fact that new android phones are launching with android 13 or 14 yet 15 is the most current one.
2. They likely won’t ever be updated
3. They have extremely slower procsssors and performance
4. Crap cameras.
If the only con these iPhones has is a lower refresh rate which in the grand scheme of things isn’t a huge deal for most I’ll take it.
Your suggestion of an SE Plus is intriguing… and would be a good way to keep that size screen and battery going for an extra year or two. You’re also correct to point out that the Pro Max is already $1199. But I still don’t see Apple continuing any phones that can’t do AI. So… with all that said, how about…Dont think the 16 will drop by $200. But I honestly think it is time to bump the Pro to $1099 and start at 256GB. The Pro Max starts at $1199 already. And bumping up all the storage since all the AI model simply takes up quite a bit of space.
The 17 Line up could be
$499 SE 128GB
$599 SE Plus 128GB. - 2026 March
$599 15 128GB
$699 15 Plus 128GB
$699 16 256GB
$799 16 Plus 256GB
$799 17 256GB
$899 17 Slim / Air / Plus ? 256GB - ( Still dont understand how this is positioned )
$1099 17 Pro 256GB
$1199 17 Pro Max
And then may be an SE Plus in 2026 March and drop the whole iPhone 15 line up then. I really wish the SE line up was more like SE Mini at $499 and SE at $599. But there is no rumours suggesting this direction so it remains my wishful thinking.
...how about…
$499 - SE
$599 - SE Plus
$699 - 16
$799 - 16 Plus
$899 - 17
$999 - 17 Air/Slim
$1099 - 17 Pro
$1199 17 Pro Max