iPhone SE Component Costs Estimated to Start at $160

[warrior2000]

Nobody said Apple is not innovator, but Apple is not the ONLY innovator. You guys try to come up ******** like Samsung or Android OEMs only copy not innovate. That is completely bull crap.

Past successes does not automtically mean future success, this is especially true for tech sector. There is no doubt that Apple is massively success company in the past few years and it is very successful right now.

Current Apple under Tim Cook is more like past Microsoft under Steve Balmer. Both companies had visionary founder, then successed by pure business man.

Apple under Tim is no longer the one under Steve. Can you honestly say Apple still has amount influence as before? When iPhone comes along, whole smartphone industry changed. When Apple started iPad, the way people use tablet changed. But few years on, Apple is no longer the leading force, it is lagging behind. Just look at Apple Music, iPad Pro and Apple Watch. Most of those are almost seems after thought than Apple really put deep though on those product. There is really no unquie factors with those products.

The worst part is Apple startd to appealing to wide crowed. When majority wants big screen, Apple had iPhone 6 and iPhone 6S. When people wants small screen, Apple have a lazy creation iPhone SE. When people wants stylus, Apple did iPad Pro and Apple Pencil. When people wants cheap iPhone, you get iPhone SE. Current Apple is no longer the Apple under Steve Jobs.

Apple is just keeping its old monument and how long does this monument can last is up to see.

Steve Jobs took 35 years to reach $100 billion in annual sales.
Steve Jobs died.
Tim Cook took over and in FOUR YEARS reached $230 billion in annual sales.

In other words Tim Cook took FOURS YEARS to add $130 billion in sales while Jobs took THIRTY FIVE YEARS. Stop with the bullcrap that Apple has been struggling since Cook took over.

You said AppleWatch is a failure. LOL. The Watch will be the fastest selling new Apple product ever (first 12 months). AppleMusic has 12 million subscriptions already in about 6 months. Pandora/Spotify took FIVE YEARS to get 12 million subscriptions. So stop with the bullcrap that AppleMusic is struggling.

And iPad Pro? Way to early to say its a failure.

But go ahead. Keep living in a dream land where Apple is struggling and going down hill.

Maybe in YOUR MIND Apple is going downhill. And that's fine, that's your opinion. But looking at FACTS (sales, profits, growth, penetration in China and India, satisfaction ratings, 1 billion active devices, #1 brand name, #1 valued company) there is ZERO evidence that Apple is going downhill.
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Here is who (from Yahoo Finance):

Business Summary
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So in other words these reports are for companies. They are of ZERO benefit to consumers. Just like I said.

These reports only serve to mislead customers who don't have a basic understanding of product and company profitability.

 

[SirCheese]

Look at reality.

Multi-touch Apple made - Samsung copied
Physical design of iPhone - Samsung copied
TouchID - Samsung copied
ApplePay - Samsung copied
Home button - Samsung copied
Retina screen - Samsung copied

Multi-touch - Not Apple made
Physical Design - Samsung did not copy
TouchID - Bought Authentec
Home Button - What in the hell are you talking about?
Retina - Marketing Term and nothing more

And you actually have the audacity to talk about reality?

 

[macfacts]

...

Gross Profit does not include the cost of selling the product or admin cost or R&D cost.
...
Apple is providing the following guidance for its fiscal 2016 second quarter:

• ...
• gross margin between 39 percent and 39.5 percent

...

Your source for the definition of gross profit/margin?

Total research and development expense was $4.5 billion, $3.4 billion and $2.4 billion in 2013, 2012 and 2011, respectively. (Apple sec filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/000119312513416534/d590790d10k.htm )​

And from same link/sec filing it mentions for 2013: Unit Sales by Product:

iPhone 150,257,000
iPad 71,033,000
Mac 16,341,000
iPod 26,379,000

Let's combine iPhone and iPad and iPod to figure R&D spending per ios device. (Ignoring Mac sales).

150,257,000
+71,033,000
+26,379,000
=247,669,000

$4,500,000,000 / 247,669,000 units = $18.17 per unit. Add in Mac sales and that number goes lower

 

[LovingTeddy]

Steve Jobs took 35 years to reach $100 billion in annual sales.
Steve Jobs died.
Tim Cook took over and in FOUR YEARS reached $230 billion in annual sales.

In other words Tim Cook took FOURS YEARS to add $130 billion in sales while Jobs took THIRTY FIVE YEARS. Stop with the bullcrap that Apple has been struggling since Cook took over.

You said AppleWatch is a failure. LOL. The Watch will be the fastest selling new Apple product ever (first 12 months). AppleMusic has 12 million subscriptions already in about 6 months. Pandora/Spotify took FIVE YEARS to get 12 million subscriptions. So stop with the bullcrap that AppleMusic is struggling.

And iPad Pro? Way to early to say its a failure.

But go ahead. Keep living in a dream land where Apple is struggling and going down hill.

Maybe in YOUR MIND Apple is going downhill. And that's fine, that's your opinion. But looking at FACTS (sales, profits, growth, penetration in China and India, satisfaction ratings, 1 billion active devices, #1 brand name, #1 valued company) there is ZERO evidence that Apple is going downhill.

Dude... The point is not how much money Apple can generate from its sales.

1. Tim Cook is more businessman than actual leader. He is far from Jobs or Gates. He is like Steve Balmer that can run company and generate maex profit and reduce expensive. There is no unqiue product from Apple under Cook's watch. It is the other tech comapny.

2. Of all new Apple's product, namely Apple Music, Apple Watch, Apple Pay, iPad Pro. None of these products or services are unique. It is just other me too product. Name one thing that Apple Music excel from competition, name one thing that iPad Pro better than competiton? It is just other iPad with Stylus support, yes, very innovative. Apple Pay isn't going anywhere.

Here is the point. Of all the new products and services, we no longer see the wow moments and no longer in lead. Apple is become just other tech company fast. And one successful company can go down really fast, just look at BlackBerry and Nortel.

 

[warrior2000]

Multi-touch - Not Apple made
Physical Design - Samsung did not copy
TouchID - Bought Authentec
Home Button - What in the hell are you talking about?
Retina - Marketing Term and nothing more

And you actually have the audacity to talk about reality?

Who the hell had multi-touch on a phone before Apple?

Samsung didn't copy the iPhone design? Look at exhibit A.
Denying Samsung didn't copy iPhone design is ridiculous

Apple bought Authentic. Authentic IS Apple.

Home Button on iPhone. Samsung ripped that off right from the iPhone.

Retina. iPhone was the first smartphone to offer that level of resolution.

 

[bodonnell202]

I think Apple will be keeping the 6/6+, for the same reason I expect them to drop the price of the SE again, sooner rather than later -- to attract the Android converts with an Android-sized phone for $100 less than Apple has ever offered that size iPhone.

The SE is amazing for what it is, but it's only $50 less than the 5s before it. It's still a far cry from an attractive low budget option for people who haven't previously been able to afford iPhones, and the 4" screen doesn't help it any.

I agree it's hard to know what Apple will do from their actions as of late, but the fact that they are running out of premium markets in which to expand the iPhone, means that growth must necessarily slow. The only place left for them to grow is the low end segment, and sadly that's the fastest growing segment worldwide, and at the expense of the market that traditionally supported Apple's premium brand growth.

However, while I agree the SE is a test for the 4" phone, if Apple is to introduce a premium 4" phone during the first year of the 7, they have to be designing and spending R&D on the phone now. So it's unlikely they will discard that work. In which case, the latest I would expect them to release a new 4" phone is 18 months with the introduction of the 7s, assuming the usual life cycle of the iPhone. But to the extent Apple intends to keep a 4" phone in the lineup -- and 30 million units is not insignificant, so I would expect they will -- then they will need a replacement for the SE, so the sooner they release it the faster they can depreciate it. The idea being that Apple has never released a completely redesigned iPhone (inside and out) without charging a premium price for it. So the sooner they do it, the longer they can charge a premium for it -- Another reason the SE wasn't a completely redesigned 4" 6s, which has less than 6 months before it's the old phone (both inside and out).

The only thing that might make them wait until the 7s is this rumor that the leaks of the 7 look so much like the 6, that the 7s must be some radical redesign. If that's the case then they would be foolish to release a 7-styled 4" phone. On the other hand, if the 7s is going to be such a radical redesign, then it would have made financial sense to create a 6s 4" now. Except for one thing -- Apple is trying to create a more compelling entry level experience to the iPhone to expand market growth, and the 5s was the least expensive way to do that.

The only thing we can both agree on 100% it seems is that there's no telling what Apple will do next.

It all depends on how much Apple is willing to chase the lower end market as they will have to balance offering lower priced products to increase market share with potentially cannibalizing their high margin products. Currently they have gone as far as the upper end of the mid-range market (or lower end of the premium market) with the SE, it remains to be seen how much further they will go.

You do have valid arguments and I'll admit that I never thought the SE would be starting at $399. I guess only time will tell!

 

[warrior2000]

Your source for the definition of gross profit/margin?

Total research and development expense was $4.5 billion, $3.4 billion and $2.4 billion in 2013, 2012 and 2011, respectively. (Apple sec filing: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/000119312513416534/d590790d10k.htm )​

And from same link/sec filing it mentions for 2013: Unit Sales by Product:

iPhone 150,257,000
iPad 71,033,000
Mac 16,341,000
iPod 26,379,000

Let's combine iPhone and iPad and iPod to figure R&D spending per ios device. (Ignoring Mac sales).

150,257,000
+71,033,000
+26,379,000
=247,669,000

$4,500,000,000 / 247,669,000 units = $18.17 per unit. Add in Mac sales and that number goes lower

iPhone R&D took more than 1 year.

Besides the huge expenses are selling and admin expense ( $14 billion) and income tax ( $19 billion). In 2015 R&D expense was $8 billion.

Last year Apple sold 231 million iPhones, 54 million iPad, 20 million Mac, and lets say 10 million other devices. Thats a total of 315 million devices.

Total overhead was:
$14 billion selling and admin
$19 billion taxes
$8 billion R&D
Total = $41 billion

Divide $41 billion by 315 million devices = $130 overhead per device

That $130 overhead is NOT calculated in the 40% gross profit that Apple reports in its guidance and SEC reports.
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It's painfully obvious you have no clue what you are talking about.

Actually I do.

Look at high end smartphones. Apple is outselling Samsung by 400%
Last year Apple sold 230 million high end phones.
Samsung sold about 60 million.
It isn't even close.

Look at profits.
Samsung phone profits are skimpy compared to Apple.
Apple makes 500% more profits than Samsung in phones.

Samsung sells more cheap phones. But even that is getting taken over by Chinese brands like Xiaomi. And those cheap phones don't do Samsung any good since they make close to ZERO on them and they don't even get services profits from it (they dont run their own OS and App store like Apple)

Samsung is ZERO threat to Apple.
They are dust.
They are like a little league baseball team vs Apple which is Major league.

But believe what you want. But Samsung is just like all those also-ran Android makers like Sony, Leenovo, LG, ect. They don't compete with Apple but compete against each other for the scraps that Apple leaves behind.
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Dude... The point is not how much money Apple can generate from its sales.

1. Tim Cook is more businessman than actual leader. He is far from Jobs or Gates. He is like Steve Balmer that can run company and generate maex profit and reduce expensive. There is no unqiue product from Apple under Cook's watch. It is the other tech comapny.

2. Of all new Apple's product, namely Apple Music, Apple Watch, Apple Pay, iPad Pro. None of these products or services are unique. It is just other me too product. Name one thing that Apple Music excel from competition, name one thing that iPad Pro better than competiton? It is just other iPad with Stylus support, yes, very innovative. Apple Pay isn't going anywhere.

Here is the point. Of all the new products and services, we no longer see the wow moments and no longer in lead. Apple is become just other tech company fast. And one successful company can go down really fast, just look at BlackBerry and Nortel.

So ignorant comparing Cook to Balmer.
Balmer never increased Microsoft revenue by $130,000,000,000 in four years. Cook did. Cook grew Apple bigger than it ever was when Jobs was alive. Cook grew Apple to DOUBLE THE SIZE since Jobs death. Balmer had Microsoft shrinking.

Comparing Apple to Blackberry and Nortel shows how ignorant you are about technology. Tell me what was Blackberry's peak sales per year or Nortel? Its not even close to $230,000,000,000 that Apple had last year.

At its absolute PEAK Blackberry had $20 billion in annual sales.
Apple is over 11x bigger at $230 billion. Don't be comparing the two companies. Only makes you look like a fool.

You can poopoo Apple's recent products all you want. You are blind.

1. Apple Watch - fastest selling new Apple product EVER (first 12 months)
2. Apple Music - reached 12 million users in less than 6 months. Competitors took FOUR YEARS.
3. iPad Pro - most popular high end tablet on the market

Just stop. The proof is in the numbers and FACTS. You and talk about having 'wow' moments all you want. But the facts is what people BUY. And people are buying Apple and there is no negative propoganda you can spew that changes that. Apple keeps winning and you keep losing. Good bye.

 

[macfacts]

iPhone R&D took more than 1 year.

Besides the huge expenses are selling and admin expense ( $14 billion) and income tax ( $19 billion). In 2015 R&D expense was $8 billion.

Last year Apple sold 231 million iPhones, 54 million iPad, 20 million Mac, and lets say 10 million other devices. Thats a total of 315 million devices.

Total overhead was:
$14 billion selling and admin
$19 billion taxes
$8 billion R&D
Total = $41 billion

Divide $41 billion by 315 million devices = $130 overhead per device

That $130 overhead is NOT calculated in the 40% gross profit that Apple reports in its guidance and SEC reports.
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Actually I do.

Look at high end smartphones. Apple is outselling Samsung by 400%
Last year Apple sold 230 million high end phones.
Samsung sold about 60 million.
It isn't even close.

....

Do you have a source for those $ numbers and definition of gross profit? I gave a direct link to the Apple's SEC for my numbers and definition of gross profit.

I think the point you are not getting is that Samsung users don't care if Samsung makes a lot of money or not.




It is hilarious watching you try to argue in the same post that Apple makes the most money and Apple doesn't rip off their customers.

 

[warrior2000]

Do you have a source for those $ numbers and definition of gross profit? I gave a direct link to the Apple's SEC for my numbers and definition of gross profit.

I think the point you are not getting is that Samsung users don't care if Samsung makes a lot of money or not.




It is hilarious watching you try to argue in the same post that Apple makes the most money and Apple doesn't rip off their customers.

here is the link to the 2015 income statement:
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com...ex=2&dcn=0001193125-15-356351&nav=1&src=Yahoo

Total revenue = $233 billion
Cost of revenue = $140 billion
Gross Margin = $93 billion
Gross Profit/Margin% = 40%

And then after that there are other expenses not included in Gross Margin:

R&D $8 billion
Selling/Admin/Taxes $14 billion

You can make nice profits without ripping off customers.

For example you could buy a cheap POS chinese no name tablet for $40. The company selling those tablets is making very little if any profit. But that doesn't mean you are NOT getting ripped off. The tablet is probably a POS, has virus and spyware, and probably will break in a few week. You got ripped off even though the company that sold it made no profit.

Or you could buy an iPad Air2 for $350. Apple will make a nice profit on the sale but you are not ripped off because you got a quality product. Getting ripped off and the company making profits is not cause and effect.

Getting ripped off is about not getting value.
A company making profits is about a company being run well and having a hard to duplicate product.

 

[SirCheese]

Who the hell had multi-touch on a phone before Apple?

Samsung didn't copy the iPhone design? Look at exhibit A.
Denying Samsung didn't copy iPhone design is ridiculous

Apple bought Authentic. Authentic IS Apple.

Home Button on iPhone. Samsung ripped that off right from the iPhone.

Retina. iPhone was the first smartphone to offer that level of resolution.

Again, Apple didn't invent or create multi-touch, no matter how many times you wish it, doesn't make it fact. Samsung didn't copy and your pictures, which people like you like to trot out as if it's somehow actual proof. Yes, Apple BOUGHT the company WHO actually made it. You are actually going to try to sit here, and claim, that Samsung copied the idea of a home button. You really can't be serious? As for resolution, who cares? If that's really all you have, you should just stop. You are are only going to serve to continue to make yourself look like a fool.
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It is hilarious watching you try to argue in the same post that Apple makes the most money and Apple doesn't rip off their customers.

It's actually quite....meh, that he is trying so hard to defend his precious.

 

[warrior2000]

Again, Apple didn't invent or create multi-touch, no matter how many times you wish it, doesn't make it fact. Samsung didn't copy and your pictures, which people like you like to trot out as if it's somehow actual proof. Yes, Apple BOUGHT the company WHO actually made it. You are actually going to try to sit here, and claim, that Samsung copied the idea of a home button. You really can't be serious? As for resolution, who cares? If that's really all you have, you should just stop. You are are only going to serve to continue to make yourself look like a fool.
[doublepost=1459886154][/doublepost]It's actually quite....meh, that he is trying so hard to defend his precious.

Apple may have not created Multi-touch or many of those other things I listed.

But they were the FIRST to master it.

Innovation is not about thinking about an idea.
Innovation is EXECUTING that idea.

Any Tom, Dick, and Larry can think of grand ideas. Even build a rough prototype. But true innovation is executing on the idea and selling a product that MASTERS that idea.

Apple II
Mac
iMac
Macbook
iPhone
iPod
Apple Pay
Touch ID
iTunes
iPad
Watch
AppleTV
App Store

Those are all examples of Apple executing on an idea.
And the proof of their mastery of those ideas is their record crushing sales and 99% satisfaction ratings.

 

[SirCheese]

Apple may have not created Multi-touch or many of those other things I listed.

But they were the FIRST to master it.

Innovation is not about thinking about an idea.
Innovation is EXECUTING that idea.

Any Tom, Dick, and Larry can think of grand ideas. Even build a rough prototype. But true innovation is executing on the idea and selling a product that MASTERS that idea.

Apple II
Mac
iMac
Macbook
iPhone
iPod
Apple Pay
Touch ID
iTunes
iPad
Watch
AppleTV
App Store

Those are all examples of Apple executing on an idea.
And the proof of their mastery of those ideas is their record crushing sales and 99% satisfaction ratings.

Taking other peoples inventions and putting them in their products, so innovative!

 

[warrior2000]

Taking other peoples inventions and putting them in their products, so innovative!

It sure is.

Some of the greatest inventors of all time used other people's ideas/products.

Guys like Edison, Tesla, Franklin, da Vinci, Jobs, and Bell. They all used ideas and inventions from others to make their final master works. But what make these people stand out is they had the VISION to put it all together and make the product PRACTICAL and USEFUL.

"Thomas Edison is usually credited with the invention of the light bulb, but the famous American inventor wasn't the only one who contributed to the development of this revolutionary technology. Many notable figures are also remembered for their work with electric batteries, lamps and the creation of the first incandescent bulbs."

Edison did not invent the light bulb.
But he was the first to make a practical light bulb.

Same with Apple regarding multi-touch, TouchID, 3D touch, iPad, iOS, iPod, App Store, iPhone, Apple Pay, Retina screens, Watch, iMac, ect. There may have been early versions of the technology but they were not practical and they were most crap.

Maybe now you understand what true innovation is.

 

[SirCheese]

Maybe now you understand what true innovation is.

Well, it's obvious you don't.

 

[warrior2000]

Well, it's obvious you don't.

Name a true innovator from the last 10 years. Since you say I have no idea what true innovation is.
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Well, it's obvious you don't.

still waiting for you to name a true innovator in the last 10 years...........

 

[nofear1az]

what about the bottle?

i'm surprised nobody yet called you out for that. no wonder sanders has supporters, many people are so out of touch with basic economy. democracy wont work that way, but hey at least we have a republic.

Thank you! I was thinking the same thing. Why hasn't anyone mentioned the cost of the bottle + cap.

 

[LovingTeddy]

It sure is.

Some of the greatest inventors of all time used other people's ideas/products.

Guys like Edison, Tesla, Franklin, da Vinci, Jobs, and Bell. They all used ideas and inventions from others to make their final master works. But what make these people stand out is they had the VISION to put it all together and make the product PRACTICAL and USEFUL.

"Thomas Edison is usually credited with the invention of the light bulb, but the famous American inventor wasn't the only one who contributed to the development of this revolutionary technology. Many notable figures are also remembered for their work with electric batteries, lamps and the creation of the first incandescent bulbs."

Edison did not invent the light bulb.
But he was the first to make a practical light bulb.

Same with Apple regarding multi-touch, TouchID, 3D touch, iPad, iOS, iPod, App Store, iPhone, Apple Pay, Retina screens, Watch, iMac, ect. There may have been early versions of the technology but they were not practical and they were most crap.

Maybe now you understand what true innovation is.

3D Touch is just pressure sensitive screen plus software. And Apple is not the first one made 3D Touch.

iOS is just other mobile OS. Microsoft made Windows CE and Windows Mobile before iOS. Are you really saying Apple invented mobile OS?

iPod is MP3 player and Apple did not invent MP3 Player.

Again, Retina Display is just high definition screen. There is nothing more and nothing less. And Apple did not invent high definition screen.

iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro are just PCs... And Apple did not invent computer.

Technology is about progress and Apple is good at timing. People inventing stuff before Apple and Apple is taking advantage of other people's work. So innovatative.

 

[kdarling]

Who the hell had multi-touch on a phone before Apple?

Your posts demonstrate an all too commonplace ignorance of smartphone history.

Apple was the first to mass produce such a phone, but they weren't the first to publicly reveal one.

By 2006, multi-touch and capacitive screen phones were being publicly demo'd and proposed for sale, and finger friendly UIs (including pinch zoom) were predicted to be the coming thing for the next year. This very likely influenced Jobs' desire to show off a (barely working) production iPhone model in early 2007.

Samsung didn't copy the iPhone design? Look at exhibit A.
Denying Samsung didn't copy iPhone design is ridiculous

That was the cherry picked limited set of images that Apple's lawyers used. They fought to prevent the jury from seeing Samsung's more complete before-after picture:

Apple especially didn't want the jury to see Samsung's mid-2006 all-touchscreen Merit phone, or the pre-iPhone design of the F700. (Ironically, Apple's lawyers originally had the F700 on their list of accused infringing phones, before they realized their mistake -- that it would prove to the jury that Samsung had previously designed a full screen rounded rectangle touch phone with a shiny bezel. Apple immediately removed it from their list to keep this prior art away from the jury's eyes.)

Not to mention the pre-Iphone "Ireen" finger friendly UI design Samsung was working on, another set of images that Apple's lawyers managed to get banned via a clever legality. Just imagine if the jury had seen this:

Apple's lawyers were also justifiably afraid of letting the jury see images like the 2005 Pideon design below from Korea, and for good reason. In other design patent trials around the world, Apple lost when courts saw such prior art that Apple worked so hard to suppress in the California trial.

If Apple had been confident that it actually invented something unique, their lawyers would not have been so fearful of letting the California jury see all the evidence and letting them decide for themselves.

However, all this prior art was NOT banned from appellate court judges, who were the ones who repeatedly knocked down Apple's attempts to get an import ban on Samsung, AND removed half the jury award due to Apple's claimed trade dress being invalid over functionality.

Home Button on iPhone. Samsung ripped that off right from the iPhone.

Having a large central button was a primary Samsung design trait long before then. And the iPhone's was not oblong like Samsung's.

Retina. iPhone was the first smartphone to offer that level of resolution.

The Toshiba Protege was the first smartphone with >300 PPI screen. It came out about the same time as the first iPhone did in mid 2007.

It and similar high DPI smartphones are why Jobs felt compelled to make up a new marketing term ("retina"), since the more commonly used "print quality display" definition using the same math had already been used in smartphone ads years before Apple finally did one.

 

[warrior2000]

3D Touch is just pressure sensitive screen plus software. And Apple is not the first one made 3D Touch.

iOS is just other mobile OS. Microsoft made Windows CE and Windows Mobile before iOS. Are you really saying Apple invented mobile OS?

iPod is MP3 player and Apple did not invent MP3 Player.

Again, Retina Display is just high definition screen. There is nothing more and nothing less. And Apple did not invent high definition screen.

iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro are just PCs... And Apple did not invent computer.

Technology is about progress and Apple is good at timing. People inventing stuff before Apple and Apple is taking advantage of other people's work. So innovatative.

Name me who was innovative in the last 10 years since you obviously think Apple isn't.

Tell me who was more innovative than Apple the last 10 years?

IMO, innovation is proven by results. Results as in profits and influence. Using that as a measurement the iPod/iPhone/iPad/Mac/Watch/iOS/AppStore have been massively profitable and influential.
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Your posts demonstrate an all too commonplace ignorance of smartphone history.

Apple was the first to mass produce such a phone, but they weren't the first to publicly reveal one.

By 2006, multi-touch and capacitive screen phones were being publicly demo'd and proposed for sale, and finger friendly UIs (including pinch zoom) were predicted to be the coming thing for the next year. This very likely influenced Jobs' desire to show off a (barely working) production iPhone model in early 2007.



That was the cherry picked limited set of images that Apple's lawyers used. They fought to prevent the jury from seeing Samsung's more complete before-after picture:

View attachment 625212

Apple especially didn't want the jury to see Samsung's mid-2006 all-touchscreen Merit phone, or the pre-iPhone design of the F700. (Ironically, Apple's lawyers originally had the F700 on their list of accused infringing phones, before they realized their mistake -- that it would prove to the jury that Samsung had previously designed a full screen rounded rectangle touch phone with a shiny bezel. Apple immediately removed it from their list to keep this prior art away from the jury's eyes.)

Not to mention the pre-Iphone "Ireen" finger friendly UI design Samsung was working on, another set of images that Apple's lawyers managed to get banned via a clever legality. Just imagine if the jury had seen this:

View attachment 625216

Apple's lawyers were also justifiably afraid of letting the jury see images like the 2005 Pideon design below from Korea, and for good reason. In other design patent trials around the world, Apple lost when courts saw such prior art that Apple worked so hard to suppress in the California trial.

View attachment 625214

If Apple had been confident that it actually invented something unique, their lawyers would not have been so fearful of letting the California jury see all the evidence and letting them decide for themselves. Fortunately, all this prior art was NOT banned from appellate court judges, who were the ones who repeatedly knocked down Apple's attempts to get an import ban on Samsung.



Having a large central button was a primary Samsung design trait long before then. And the iPhone's was not oblong like Samsung's.



The Toshiba Protege was the first smartphone with >300 PPI screen. It came out about the same time as the first iPhone did in mid 2007.

It and similar high DPI smartphones are why Jobs felt compelled to make up a new marketing term ("retina"), since the more commonly used "print quality display" definition using the same math had already been used in smartphone ads years before Apple finally did one.

All fine and dandy research by you.

But the bottom line is Apple made these features MAIN STREAM and PRACTICAL.
Like I said before anyone can dream up great ideas and build crude prototypes.
But it takes real skill and vision to put these ideas together and make a device that works and is practical.

So you say Apple isn't innovative? Okay fine.
Then tell me who in the last 10 years has been more innovative than Apple in the industry?

 

[G4DPII]

iPhone sales declining? LOL. Temporarily only.

They may have a slight decline in the March/June quarter but this was expected. When the iPhone6 came out there was pent up demand for larger iPhones. Thus the iPhone6 sales last year were amazing and really an anamoly for multiple years of demand for larger iPhones.

When the iPhone7 comes out in the Fall you will see iPhone units grow again.

It hilarious when people like you say Apple succeeds because they rip off people. LOLOLOL. So hilarious. Its been proven that richer, more educated, and more successful people buy iPhones vs Android. And yet you still think iPhones success is because they rip off people without them knowing? LOL.

You are the one living in a fantasy world.

FACT - Apple is the most valuable company in the world
FACT - Apple has the most powerful brand in the world
FACT - Apple makes the most profits
FACT - Apple is dominating mobile profits, laptop profits, wearables profits, Tablet profits, set top box profits, App store profits, desktop profits
FACT - Apple has over a BILLION active devices
FACT - Apple's customer satisfaction rate is 99%

But keep dreaming in a dream world where every one else is 'idiots' for being ripped off by Apple and you stand alone as a consumer genius who refuses to be ripped off by Apple.

You really have no clue at you are on about. The level of ignorance in your posting and vitrioul is rather alarming.This sort of posting is the reason that 80% of the worlds population think Apple fans are moronic wankers.

Apple are not the most valuable company in the world. If you think pure cash value makes you the most valuable then you are sadly mistaken. Samsung will be around long after Apple becomes a victim of it's own greed. Apple is concentrated in one industry - Toys - they no longer take the computer side of the business with any seriousness. To survive in the long term you have to diversify. Apple have sadly done the opposite.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Actually I do.

Look at high end smartphones. Apple is outselling Samsung by 400%
Last year Apple sold 230 million high end phones.
Samsung sold about 60 million.
It isn't even close.

Look at profits.
Samsung phone profits are skimpy compared to Apple.
Apple makes 500% more profits than Samsung in phones.

Samsung sells more cheap phones. But even that is getting taken over by Chinese brands like Xiaomi. And those cheap phones don't do Samsung any good since they make close to ZERO on them and they don't even get services profits from it (they dont run their own OS and App store like Apple)

Samsung is ZERO threat to Apple.
They are dust.
They are like a little league baseball team vs Apple which is Major league.

But believe what you want. But Samsung is just like all those also-ran Android makers like Sony, Leenovo, LG, ect. They don't compete with Apple but compete against each other for the scraps that Apple leaves behind.

You really think Samsung only makes smartphone and tablet? Samsung is far larger than what you think. Samsung makes home appliances, they make cars, they are in financial industry...

The problem for Apple is they are just too depends on iPhones and iOS. Are you really think Apple cab rely on iPhone forever? Samsung is far more diverse than Apple and they make lots of good stuffs.

The sheer of ignorance you have is beyond my belief, open yourself to the world man.

 

[uid15]

I neither wonder, not care, what the cost price of a MacDonald's cheeseburger is. This meaningless drivel is spouted every single year by these nonsense mongers; okay... SO WHAT?

It wasn't even worth me replying to except to express my utter disbelief and contempt for such ridiculous, over-simplistic and highly ignorant "journalism". What's next - the bare materials weight and price per kilo of the I.S.S. components?

Go away, silly fools.
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You really think Samsung only makes smartphone and tablet? Samsung is far larger than what you think. Samsung makes home appliances, they make cars, they are in financial industry...

The problem for Apple is they are just too depends on iPhones and iOS. Are you really think Apple cab rely on iPhone forever? Samsung is far more diverse than Apple and they make lots of good stuffs.

The sheer of ignorance you have is beyond my belief, open yourself to the world man.

What you've basically said what amounts to "Samsung makes lots of things" - yeah, they also make ships, so what? You can make LOTS of things very poorly with terrible ethics, very easily - any fool can (and does) do that. Samsung are the epitome of the phrase "Jack of all trades and master of none".

So what if they make LOTS of things if most of them are worthless, junky, uninspiring crud?

I'd rather master one single art and be the best at that one single art, than attempt to be someone who thinks he is best AT EVERYTHING. Apple is a narrow focus company:

"People who are serious about software, make their own hardware."

Samsung do not make their own software, they make the drivers for another man's cruddy OS, and make the panels and silicon, but they don't have the same symbiotic connection that Apple platforms have. Anyone worth listening to on the subject can verify that in half a sentence or less.

 

[LovingTeddy]

I neither wonder, not care, what the cost price of a MacDonald's cheeseburger is. This meaningless drivel is spouted every single year by these nonsense mongers; okay... SO WHAT?

It wasn't even worth me replying to except to express my utter disbelief and contempt for such ridiculous, over-simplistic and highly ignorant "journalism". What's next - the bare materials weight and price per kilo of the I.S.S. components?

Go away, silly fools.
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What you've basically said what amounts to "Samsung makes lots of things" - yeah, they also make ships, so what? You can make LOTS of things very poorly with terrible ethics, very easily - any fool can (and does) do that. Samsung are the epitome of the phrase "Jack of all trades and master of none".

So what if they make LOTS of things if most of them are worthless, junky, uninspiring crud?

LOL...Apple sound just like that, except the make even less stuffs...

There are so many things Samsung invented, you just need Google them.. One of them is foldable screen...

 

[uid15]

LOL...Apple sound just like that, except the make even less stuffs...

There are so many things Samsung invented, you just need Google them.. One of them is foldable screen...

Oh yes, I need a foldable screen - where do I buy one please? I also need a torch that can recharge from moonlight. Any suppliers?

It doesn't matter what crap Samsung "invent" - imagine them as the chemist that creates special oil paints that a world class artist (Apple) paints with - they churn out tech that they're clueless about how to implement, then Apple and others come along and show them how to make amazing things with these ideas they're churning out, en masse.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Oh yes, I need a foldable screen - where do I buy one please? I also need a torch that can recharge from moonlight. Any suppliers?

Wow... Oh, yes, I need pointless 3D Touch, biggest gimmick. Oh yes, I need Live Photo that just a short video clip. 2 of biggest iPhone 6S features are gimmick. Yet, you guys went crazy for that. But you don't appreciate technology improvement made by other companies.

Your post just pure ignorance... I bet you will say foldable screen is revolutionary if it made by Apple.

Who need phablet said by Apple fanboy years ago, then cheering for iPhone 6S. Who need Stylus said bu Apple fanboys, then cheering for Apple Pencil. Who need setup box, said by Apple fanboys, then cheering for Apple TV. Bet one day, Apple fanboys will cheering for Apple do dual camera, QHD screen, AMOLED screen, foldable screen... Until then, mankind do not need these technologies.
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Oh yes, I need a foldable screen - where do I buy one please? I also need a torch that can recharge from moonlight. Any suppliers?

It doesn't matter what crap Samsung "invent" - imagine them as the chemist that creates special oil paints that a world class artist (Apple) paints with - they churn out tech that they're clueless about how to implement, then Apple and others come along and show them how to make amazing things with these ideas they're churning out, en masse.

All amk getting from you is whatever Apple made is automatically better and whatever Samsung made is automatically crap... The sheer ignorance in Apple's community is amazing.