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Wow... Oh, yes, I need pointless 3D Touch, biggest gimmick. Oh yes, I need Live Photo that just a short video clip. 2 of biggest iPhone 6S features are gimmick. Yet, you guys went crazy for that. But you don't appreciate technology improvement made by other companies.

Your post just pure ignorance... I bet you will say foldable screen is revolutionary if it made by Apple.

Who need phablet said by Apple fanboy years ago, then cheering for iPhone 6S. Who need Stylus said bu Apple fanboys, then cheering for Apple Pencil. Who need setup box, said by Apple fanboys, then cheering for Apple TV. Bet one day, Apple fanboys will cheering for Apple do dual camera, QHD screen, AMOLED screen, foldable screen... Until then, mankind do not need these technologies.
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All amk getting from you is whatever Apple made is automatically better and whatever Samsung made is automatically crap... The sheer ignorance in Apple's community is amazing.

I know you want a protracted, pointless argument, but since I'm not a defensive person, and I don't need to to jump to bolster my comments with long winded piffle, I'm out. Enjoy your day, and remember that it's not a war, there's too much aggressive behaviour online, I won't fuel that fire.
 
I don't believe that's the case.

Sales are lackluster cause Apple decided to sell a phone they released three years ago as new. If they changed the design, they'd sell a whole lot more.

For a lot of people, the iPhone is a status symbol and it ceases to be a status symbol when they use a three year old design.

I was just thinking that maybe that was the point. Give the people a half-hearted device and they'll want to buy the more expensive device.

It's what they've been doing with the memory. Make the lowest end 16gb iphone so unbearable that people will spend the extra $100 for the 64gb.

I have to be honest. It's working on me. I was almost 100% sure I was going to buy the SE and now that it's been released the 6S looks a lot more appealing.
You don't think what's the case? That most people don't want small phones anymore? I don't think that's even debatable. Sure, there are a significant enough number of people asking for a smaller phone and that's why Apple came out with this, but no one should expect that it's going to sell like gangbusters.
 
You don't think what's the case? That most people don't want small phones anymore? I don't think that's even debatable. Sure, there are a significant enough number of people asking for a smaller phone and that's why Apple came out with this, but no one should expect that it's going to sell like gangbusters.

Well let's start with the last statement from Tim Cook on the subject that 60% of the installed user base had not upgraded to the 6 series phones, and were still using 5s or older iPhones.

Then there's the fact that Apple sold 30 million 4" phones last year -- a 3 year old phone that had a list price of $449. There were also some 4s and 5c iPhones included in that figure which likely sold for even less in developing markets.

Now, the SE is released which is just about functionally equivalent to the 6s, sold for $399, and yet the more expensive $499 64GB is sold out everywhere for over 3 weeks.

Add to that the continued decline of the 6 series iPhones, as reported by Apple and now the distribution chain.

Seems to me that there's plenty of room to debate whether most people don't want small phones. Not only is the SE selling like gangbusters, but the more expensive model. So that's a pretty strong signal that if Apple sold a new design packed with all the same latest stuff as the flagship and charged a premium, that there would be a substantial market for it.
 
Well let's start with the last statement from Tim Cook on the subject that 60% of the installed user base had not upgraded to the 6 series phones, and were still using 5s or older iPhones.

Then there's the fact that Apple sold 30 million 4" phones last year -- a 3 year old phone that had a list price of $449. There were also some 4s and 5c iPhones included in that figure which likely sold for even less in developing markets.

Now, the SE is released which is just about functionally equivalent to the 6s, sold for $399, and yet the more expensive $499 64GB is sold out everywhere for over 3 weeks.

Add to that the continued decline of the 6 series iPhones, as reported by Apple and now the distribution chain.

Seems to me that there's plenty of room to debate whether most people don't want small phones. Not only is the SE selling like gangbusters, but the more expensive model. So that's a pretty strong signal that if Apple sold a new design packed with all the same latest stuff as the flagship and charged a premium, that there would be a substantial market for it.

You're spot on with everything, but I'd like to point out regarding the underlined: EVERY year when it comes closer to refresh time we start hearing "supply chain reports" about declining orders. EVERY year the media goes ******* for the same story.

You think maybe, just maybe, after nearly ten years people understand that a new phone is coming out and hold off from buying an iPhone in May/June/July/August because everyone knows Apple announces the new line in September?

"Supply chain reports" mainly consist of "leaks" from stock manipulators and lazy tech journalists. Once you see it, you see the same cycle every single year.
 
You're spot on with everything, but I'd like to point out regarding the underlined: EVERY year when it comes closer to refresh time we start hearing "supply chain reports" about declining orders. EVERY year the media goes ******* for the same story.

You think maybe, just maybe, after nearly ten years people understand that a new phone is coming out and hold off from buying an iPhone in May/June/July/August because everyone knows Apple announces the new line in September?

"Supply chain reports" mainly consist of "leaks" from stock manipulators and lazy tech journalists. Once you see it, you see the same cycle every single year.

Fair enough ... but what I'm really responding to with that statement is Apple actually providing lower earnings guidance for the first time in years.
 
You don't think what's the case? That most people don't want small phones anymore? I don't think that's even debatable. Sure, there are a significant enough number of people asking for a smaller phone and that's why Apple came out with this, but no one should expect that it's going to sell like gangbusters.

Think about it...last year they sold 30 million 4inch phones using that old design. If they came out with a "6S mini" then sales would easily be twice that.

It's the only reason I'm hesitant to buy an SE and I really want a 4 inch phone.

It really feels like this was Apple's way to make money without much effort.
 
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