iPhone SE Launch Day Overshadowed by Tesla Model 3

[ArtOfWarfare]

I shop online only. I can not imagine myself, standing somewhere for a day or two. Even if Tesla or Iphone would be gold plated.

You can wait an extra year until it's delivered then.

Demand far outstrips supply. This is a way of Tesla allowing their bigger fans (the more fanatical ones) to get their cars first.

Anyways, online reservations are now open if you'd like to make one. tesla.com

 

[Envested]

I would appreciate Mac Rumours... Not everything else Rumours. I personally don't care to seeing about a car that's 35000 that can't drive more than two hours. And why must you folks make it seem like they beat Apple. You are talking about car purchases and an entry level telephone. Sometimes I think you guys are on something when you post.

 

[BillyMatt87]

My thoughts exactly. There's no competition here with Tesla's major new product and Apple's upgraded 5s. I think the SE is a great product, but seriously, Apple did not need a special event for it, or anything else they announced.

Apple during the Steve Jobs era, would've simply done a silent update on their website for all the products that were recently announced. Seriously, nothing that was announced was even close to being event-worthy...

 

[2457282]

There are 3x as many Supercharger stations and Destination chargers in NYC as there are gas stations.

So it's actually easier to own an electric car than a gas car when you live in a city. Whereas a gas station takes up a huge amount of space because it needs to have a huge underground tank to store gas for a few days, car chargers take up very little space.

Any business can request a destination charger from Tesla - they'll come out and install it for you for free. Then your business shows up on their maps as a place that Tesla owners (who tend to have a lot of money) should stop if they need to charge. It's win-win for the business and for Tesla.

So I checked out my city and was surprised to find that there are a bunch of charging stations all over. I guess I had not noticed them before. However, it looks like each one has specific connection types. One is a plug in, another has a connection type that starts with a J and then there is the tesla connection. This seems complicated. Is tesla a different connection from all others or can it use any of the connections available? Seems like a standard is required? Not sure if I was understanding it all. '

Bottom line is that I stand corrected that getting an electric car in a big city is not as much of an issue as I thought. If I ever get a parking spot and decide to buy a car, Tesla3 and BMW i3 are now at the top of my to look list.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

So I checked out my city and was surprised to find that there are a bunch of charging stations all over. I guess I had not noticed them before. However, it looks like each one has specific connection types. One is a plug in, another has a connection type that starts with a J and then there is the tesla connection. This seems complicated. Is tesla a different connection from all others or can it use any of the connections available? Seems like a standard is required? Not sure if I was understanding it all. '

Bottom line is that I stand corrected that getting an electric car in a big city is not as much of an issue as I thought. If I ever get a parking spot and decide to buy a car, Tesla3 and BMW i3 are now at the top of my to look list.

Tesla cars come with adapters for all the different plug types. With the S and X, the car only came with adapters for plugs that were in your country.

During the event Musk mentioned every Model 3 sold anywhere in the world would come with the same set of adapters - you'll be able to take a US car to Europe and have all the adapters you'll need.

So plug type is only a concern if you're buying a non-Tesla car. IE, the Chevy Bolt only works with standard US wall outlets (which take 9 hours to fully recharge it) and a specialized outlet that only exists at 5 charging stations in southern US. Worldwide - it only works with those 5 charging stations, and Chevy has stated they have no plans of building or assisting with building additional charging stations.

That aside, I was talking specifically about Tesla Superchargers and Tesla Destination Chargers, not general EV chargers. There's nothing preventing other EV manufacturers from using the standards Tesla created - Tesla open sourced everything about them and they recharge cars far faster than most of the other standards - but the rest of the industry has resisted. Presumably because saying "Our car works with Tesla's superchargers!" makes your company look lame and gives extra publicity to Tesla. Tesla's chargers are free for Tesla's customers to use. They've said they'll charge (as in money) anyone else who wants to use them, but thus far, no other manufacturer has expressed interest.

At the end of 2018 when numbers come out and the Model 3 outsells the prior #1 and #2 combined, I expect other companies will reluctantly add supercharger compatibility to their cars - their only alternatives are to either build up their own networks of stations (which would cost millions and take several years) or to go bankrupt as no one wants to buy their incompatible crap anymore.

 

[2457282]

Tesla cars come with adapters for all the different plug types. With the S and X, the car only came with adapters for plugs that were in your country.

During the event Musk mentioned every Model 3 sold anywhere in the world would come with the same set of adapters - you'll be able to take a US car to Europe and have all the adapters you'll need.

So plug type is only a concern if you're buying a non-Tesla car. IE, the Chevy Bolt only works with standard US wall outlets (which take 9 hours to fully recharge it) and a specialized outlet that only exists at 5 charging stations in southern US. Worldwide - it only works with those 5 charging stations, and Chevy has stated they have no plans of building or assisting with building additional charging stations.

That aside, I was talking specifically about Tesla Superchargers and Tesla Destination Chargers, not general EV chargers. There's nothing preventing other EV manufacturers from using the standards Tesla created - Tesla open sourced everything about them and they recharge cars far faster than most of the other standards - but the rest of the industry has resisted. Presumably because saying "Our car works with Tesla's superchargers!" makes your company look lame and gives extra publicity to Tesla. Tesla's chargers are free for Tesla's customers to use. They've said they'll charge (as in money) anyone else who wants to use them, but thus far, no other manufacturer has expressed interest.

At the end of 2018 when numbers come out and the Model 3 outsells the prior #1 and #2 combined, I expect other companies will reluctantly add supercharger compatibility to their cars - their only alternatives are to either build up their own networks of stations (which would cost millions and take several years) or to go bankrupt as no one wants to buy their incompatible crap anymore.

Speaking of bankruptcy, Tesla is still not making any profit. How long can they continue digging the debt hole bigger? I do hope this new model finally brings them out of the red and into the black. Otherwise, I guess you can have a classic like a DeLorean.

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Speaking of bankruptcy, Tesla is still not making any profit. How long can they continue digging the debt hole bigger? I do hope this new model finally brings them out of the red and into the black. Otherwise, I guess you can have a classic like a DeLorean.

Profit is overrated - it only considers the money you have received and paid already; it fails to consider your future. Tesla is in grow mode right now. Every year they both borrow and earn more - their new earnings more than exceed their old debts. At some point they'll hit their target size and be able to ease up on the borrowing and make a profit.

 

[Michael Goff]

Speaking of bankruptcy, Tesla is still not making any profit. How long can they continue digging the debt hole bigger? I do hope this new model finally brings them out of the red and into the black. Otherwise, I guess you can have a classic like a DeLorean.

Ask Amazon.

 

[dilbert99]

I've been really surprised at how few people on these forums are excited about the Model 3.

I think people on here like to moan/argue/take sides regardless of what it is about

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

I was #77 at my local Tesla store. The line was 400 more people behind me at 10:45 AM. I arrived 3 hours before opening.

I'm predicting that Tesla receives around 200K reservations in-store reservations today before opening online reservations. That's going to be at least the first 6 months worth of cars.

So if you choose to preorder online, you're going to be waiting at least 6 months longer than if you choose to line up in person.

If Tesla manages to deliver 500K cars per year (in the US alone) like they say they will in 2018, they'll have more sales than the #1 and #2 of 2015 combined. They'll capture around 10% of the entire passenger vehicle market with a single car.

Apple is moving far, far too slow with their car project. What killer feature could their car possibly have that would persuade people to go with them instead of Tesla?



Not even the slightest struggle. I'm happy with my iPhone 6+. If I were to get the SE, I'd be okay with just ordering online and waiting a few weeks for it if that was the penalty for not waiting in line.

I've never waited in line for any product before today - I've always been content with just ordering online in the dead of night for Apple products.

Were you able to find out how much the range drops if you run the air conditioning or heater?

 

[ArtOfWarfare]

Were you able to find out how much the range drops if you run the air conditioning or heater?

If you scroll down like, 80% of the way on this page (the section is hidden on mobile, so you'll need to be on a computer), it tells you about how much the range drops on the Model S if you run the AC or heater:
https://www.teslamotors.com/models

The AC impacts range by 5-10%, depending on outside temperature. (70 degrees F up to 110 degrees F)
The heater impacts range by 7-22%, depending on outside temperature. (50 degrees F down to 0 degrees F)

We get ~5 days a year here where the temperature goes 10-20 below. I wonder how well the car will handle those days. My current car (a 2004 Buick) simply refuses to start when the temperature is 5 degrees F or colder, so the fact the Tesla runs at 0 F at all is an improvement for me.

 

[DUCKofD3ATH]

If you scroll down like, 80% of the way on this page (the section is hidden on mobile, so you'll need to be on a computer), it tells you about how much the range drops on the Model S if you run the AC or heater:
https://www.teslamotors.com/models

The AC impacts range by 5-10%, depending on outside temperature. (70 degrees F up to 110 degrees F)
The heater impacts range by 7-22%, depending on outside temperature. (50 degrees F down to 0 degrees F)

We get ~5 days a year here where the temperature goes 10-20 below. I wonder how well the car will handle those days. My current car (a 2004 Buick) simply refuses to start when the temperature is 5 degrees F or colder, so the fact the Tesla runs at 0 F at all is an improvement for me.

Thanks for the reply. That's actually pretty good if they keep to those specs.