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If the SE had been announced alongside the 6S and 6S+ I would have seriously considered it. As it was I needed a new phone and so I went with what was available, and I imagine many people were in the same boat and therefore not readily able to switch at the moment. Therefore slow sales isn't really a surprise, but it does somewhat conflict with the limited availability we're seeing!?!?

The limited availability is reality. The "slow sales" is only in comparison to completely brand new iphone that the entire Apple customer base has had years to get ready for and get used to buying. Many many folks are on two year contracts or are just used to replacing their phone every two years. They were ready to buy the 6 and others were ready to buy the 6s. But those folks aren't ready to buy a new iPhone off-cycle. It is April. We are well into the part of the year where Apple customers start eyeing the September iPhone release. Folks buying now either have a broken iPhone or they don't care too much about iPhones.

I'm actually shocked that after one weekend the SE is estimated to be 0.1% of all iPhones being used. Consider that Apple has sold over 800 million iPhones, with most of those being the iPhone 5 or later models it is incredible to me that SE actually is showing up enough to be counted. I figured the SE would have a bump and then start taking Android sales to cost conscious customers. But those aren't folks who are going to preorder.

I'm expecting price drops in September across the iPhone line by $100. We've already seen that the iPhone SE has room in its margins for a price drop. Apple will make up the margins hit as its software revenue continues to increase.
 
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I would love to buy the iPhone SE if I didn't already have an extremely capable iPhone 5S with an A7 64-bit processor.
Can you enlighten us to the benefits Of a 64 bit processor? Specifically coupled.with only 1gig of ram. You seem to think that's a big deal.
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For me the iPhone 6s form-factor and size are the perfect phone size. Not surprised that a small phone that just looks like a 5s isn't flying off the shelves.
So you are happy with the industry's most oversized bezels? The screen to size ratio is rediculous , there Is nothing perfect about it whatsoever.
 
Well the two apple stores in my city are out of the 64gb models so I don't know how it's going for the fest of the US.
 
In Honolulu last Thursday, the 64GB gold and rose gold models sold out at all three Apple Stores. Also, the Kahala Mall Apple Store ran out of the 16GB space black.
 
Meh, one weekend is not a trend, but if sales for this continue to be lackluster it will be the 3rd big miss for Apple next to the Apple Watch and iPad Pro Big edition, and 3 data points is a trend that in this case Apple can't afford to make repeatedly.

Don't worry, Tim has plans to re-release the Newton.
 
Apple announced the iPhone SE on March 21, 2016

Prior to that... Apple was still selling the iPhone 5S with the A7 processor and 1GB of RAM for $450.

But the iPhone SE has the A9 processor, 2GB of RAM, Apple Pay... and it's only $400. That's great, right?

To the people who say iPhone SE sales are lackluster... are they better than what the iPhone 5S sales would have been today?

Should Apple have continued to sell the older slower iPhone 5S for $450 instead?

I'm just trying to figure out what the problem is.

Apple has always offered different price points. But instead of having a two year old phone at the entry-level price... there is now a very powerful modern-era phone. And it's cheaper too!

How can that not be a good thing?
 
Well there are two main reasons for this. One is apple was too lazy to change the design. They shouldn't have stuck with the 5s design. Thr internals may be fresh but the design isn't fresh. I think apple should have given the SE thr iphone 6 make over.

The other reason is many people have already been using the 4.7 iphone. It is difficult for many to go back to a smaller phone once you've have a bigger one. I remember when I went from a note 2 to iphone 5. I felt foolish using it. I winded up ditching it 2 weeks later for a galaxy s4
 
The only features the SE doesn't have that the 6S does is:
1. the screen
2. 3D touch
3. support for band 28 or 29 for LTE I believe.

Also, it doesn't have the barometer and so it can't count stairs in the Heath app. That's the only feature I miss (though it could often be inaccurate). Other than that, I'm really glad I traded in my 6 for the SE.
 
If you went to dinner party and your host offered you either doggy biscuit or lettus because they announced that's what they are currently have and let's say you accepted it and got full and 2 hrs later they offering 16 oz stake and you couldn't eat anymore.
I would say a more accurate comparison would be a steak versus a filet mignon. You are still getting the performance, memory and the camera. Things like version 2 of the Touch ID are irreverent. As for the 3D touch, I rather keep my $250+. LTE ISPs will never support over 150mbps (iphone SE) vs 300mbps (iphone 6S)in the near future or before your next phone upgrade. So outside of the above mentioned I don't see how users are getting a raw deal.
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Also, it doesn't have the barometer and so it can't count stairs in the Heath app. That's the only feature I miss (though it could often be inaccurate). Other than that, I'm really glad I traded in my 6 for the SE.

True i forgot it doesn't have a steps counter. Although can you use a Bluetooth accessory to get that info?
 
Why would anyone buy a phone that has last year's technology, cheap (sort of) as it may be? I think it's highly likely that there will be a 4-inch 7 in September, leaving the lineup as 7+ (5.5"), 7 (4.7"), 7- (4") and 6S+, 6S, SE.

There won't be a 4" iPhone 7. The iPhone SE won't be replaced until next year when a more significant redesigned iPhone is released, replacing the iPhone SE and iPhone 7/7+, marking the 10th anniversary of the iPhone. All the rumors with a helping of common sense seem to point in that direction.
 
I would say a more accurate comparison would be a steak versus a filet mignon. You are still getting the performance, memory and the camera. Things like version 2 of the Touch ID are irreverent. As for the 3D touch, I rather keep my $250+. LTE ISPs will never support over 150mbps (iphone SE) vs 300mbps (iphone 6S)in the near future or before your next phone upgrade. So outside of the above mentioned I don't see how users are getting a raw deal.
Point being: It's not about spec or getting ripped. It's about the attitude toward consumers. There's nothing wrong with the specs. There's something wrong with attracting people to hurry and buy iphone se...and on the month of September...they announce iphone 7 or whatever. Some people may not know about apple's release history. For those who recently got SE and are new to Apple products may wake up with rude awakening as they find out iphone 7 the "latest and greatest" will be released in late Sept or whatever.
 
I don't get why some are surprised. Apple pays millions of dollars in salaries to marketing expert who should have known that even customers that buy cheapest iPhones still want to give off the "look at me, I have the latest and the greatest" vibe. Ultimately, it will be determined if the cost savings obtained from reusing iPhone 5 components will offset the negative impact on iPhone SE sales.
 
Point being: It's not about spec or getting ripped. It's about the attitude toward consumers. There's nothing wrong with the specs. There's something wrong with attracting people to hurry and buy iphone se...and on the month of September...they announce iphone 7 or whatever. Some people may not know about apple's release history. For those who recently got SE and are new to Apple products may wake up with rude awakening as they find out iphone 7 the "latest and greatest" will be released in late Sept or whatever.

I missed where Apple created a sense of urgency to "hurry up and buy the iPhone SE" beyond just the normal "we want you to buy our products". Their keynote was pretty clear this was meant to fill a niche of users that loved the form factor of the iPhone 5S and wanted the power (mostly) of the 6S. Apple knows very well that most people that want the SE are the holdouts with the 4/4S/5 and to some extent the 5S. They know SE users likely won't be getting the 7 in the fall. They also needed a solid device that was at a lower price point. It's likely still not quite low enough to fully compete in the "affordable handset" market, but it'll make a dent that they didn't have before.

I wish I was an analyst - those people can say so much and create so much hype (good or bad) that is so utterly meaningless with no accountability.
 
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Where are all the people that wanted a new 4 inch iPhone?

(yes, its not exactly 'new', its a refined 5s).

For all the bitching and moaning about wanting a 4 inch phone from so many people, you'd think sales would be through the roof.
Sure it's just an updated 5S, but apparently that's the best design to date from what I keep reading. With the guts they've given them, why wouldn't anyone craving a 4 incher that has put off buying a new phone for over 3 years be all over it? I guess the feeling that they've gone nowhere when they look at the phone is off putting, even if the SE craps all over the 5S performance wise. A design tweak would have made a difference, but probably would raise the price too.
 
Point being: It's not about spec or getting ripped. It's about the attitude toward consumers. There's nothing wrong with the specs. There's something wrong with attracting people to hurry and buy iphone se...and on the month of September...they announce iphone 7 or whatever. Some people may not know about apple's release history. For those who recently got SE and are new to Apple products may wake up with rude awakening as they find out iphone 7 the "latest and greatest" will be released in late Sept or whatever.

If someone buys the entry-level iPhone SE at $400 today... I don't think they will be very upset when the flagship iPhone 7 at $650 comes out in September.

The iPhone SE is clearly in a different category.

If you were talking about someone buying an iPhone 6S in August and then the iPhone 7 comes out in September... you might have a point.

But that's not the issue at hand.
 
For all the bitching and moaning about wanting a 4 inch phone from so many people, you'd think sales would be through the roof.
Sure it's just an updated 5S, but apparently that's the best design to date from what I keep reading. With the guts they've given them, why wouldn't anyone craving a 4 incher that has put off buying a new phone for over 3 years be all over it? I guess the feeling that they've gone nowhere when they look at the phone is off putting, even if the SE craps all over the 5S performance wise. A design tweak would have made a difference, but probably would raise the price too.

Given that most places are out of stock, how do you know that's NOT happening? Just because of this silly report? Also keep in mind a segment of the "hold outs" probably don't even know it was released yet given that they aren't into the "latest and greatest" game anyway.
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If someone buys the entry-level iPhone SE at $400 today... I don't think they will be very upset when the flagship iPhone 7 at $650 comes out in September.

The iPhone SE is clearly in a different category.

If you were talking about someone buying an iPhone 6S in August and then the iPhone 7 comes out in September... you might have a point.

But that's not the issue at hand.

Thank you for stating this. Apple didn't advertise this as their latest flagship, yet everybody seems to want to treat it that way.
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If someone buys the entry-level iPhone SE at $400 today... I don't think they will be very upset when the flagship iPhone 7 at $650 comes out in September.

The iPhone SE is clearly in a different category.

If you were talking about someone buying an iPhone 6S in August and then the iPhone 7 comes out in September... you might have a point.

But that's not the issue at hand.

Thank you for stating this. Apple didn't advertise this as their latest flagship, yet everybody seems to want to treat it that way.
 
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Given that most places are out of stock, how do you know that's NOT happening? Just because of this silly report? Also keep in mind a segment of the "hold outs" probably don't even know it was released yet given that they aren't into the "latest and greatest" game anyway.

I was addressing the headline. What's really happening could be another thing. They could be selling well, but stocks could be scarce giving the impression they are selling well too.
As for people not knowing, I'm pretty sure if they've held out this long for a new phone they wouldn't have missed the arrival of the SE.
 
If someone buys the entry-level iPhone SE at $400 today... I don't think they will be very upset when the flagship iPhone 7 at $650 comes out in September.

The iPhone SE is clearly in a different category.

If you were talking about someone buying an iPhone 6S in August and then the iPhone 7 comes out in September... you might have a point.

But that's not the issue at hand.
What category would SE fall into?
 
To be fair, I don't think it's been heavily advertised or constantly mentioned in the news.

So a lot of casual consumers likely don't even know about it.

I only found out about it less than a week before release when I got an email newsletter from a case company saying announcing new cases for it. "iPhone what?" I had to Google it!

And I'm fairly certain I'm their target market. Was using a 16GB (it was free...) 5s that has been full most of the last 2 years I've had it, so much so that I was still running iOS 7.1. After seeing how much the 6 still sold for after the 6s release, I was planning to just give up and buy a larger capacity 5s on eBay.

If the sizes had been 32/128 at the same prices, I'd have thought Apple was playing an early April Fool's joke, they read mind so well! (16GB should just be sold for business, not consumer use, Apple will make up for the few people that would've bought the 64 if there wasn't a 32 in *App Store* sales for *all* increased capacities. Most people buying lowest capacity devices for personal use are buying "cheapest", not because they actually know how much storage they'll need)

6s specs (don't care about 3D touch or a barometer much, and I don't take selfies), better camera with live photos (wizard photos!), more space, comes in rose gold, fits my existing cases, still fits in pockets of women's pants! I like the 5s design better than the 6 (camera bump WTF?), what's wrong with taking a still gorgeous, functional design and making it better inside? It's not ready to be retired yet.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, I'm using it right now to type this. My carrier (Koodo - Canada) had them in stock on the weekend, someone else was buying a space grey one at the same time I was, and not everywhere had gotten them in yet - they were the first to update their website with them, too.

So I'd have to say yeah, a lot of the atypical-for-iphone sales are due to people just not knowing about them, and lower stock levels, which I can't help but think, due to not everywhere having them in store for release, Apple anticipated.

Why would you heavily advertise it anyways, when it might cut into your iPhone 6s and people-waiting-for-7 sales if you didn't? A slow and steady predicted sales rate requires less phones at launch and may be easier for shipping and production, also? Your target market is not early adopters anyways (though it does seem to be catching what I consider a slightly unexpected part of that market, those with small hands), but people who just look for a new phone when they need one, and will so find it when they look, in the spot the 5s used to be sold.

That *anybody* went from a 6s to this and are very happy with it has sales of the SE exceeding my expectations, anyhow.
 
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People aren't paying full price, they're paying in installments. AT&T doesn't even advertise the full price on their website.
I walked in my local Apple store and paid full price for a 64GB. I like the flexibility to be able to choose and switch carriers when I want. I can use an MVNO and the savings over a full price post-paid plan from the big four will nearly pay for my phone in 24 months.
 
What category would SE fall into?

"Economic" as opposed to "flagship". Apple has made no secret of the fact that this is an update of the 4" and is intended to swoon lovers of that form factor. At $399 American, it is also the cheapest phone Apple has ever sold.

You have a point in arguing that it is Apple's flagship 4" phone but it lacks too many key features of the 6s to be considered the flagship cellular product of the entire company.
 
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