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I have the 6s and am definitely going with the SE.
  • One-handed design
  • Incredible battery life
  • Beautiful 5s design (with no ugly camera bulge!)
  • Great value price
  • No curved screen nonsense so edge to edge protectors work perfectly
How good is the battery life now?
 
For me I think the loss of the barometer is huge, since I work out a lot and I like to be able to use my phone to track my work outs.

Excuse my ignorance but how does the barometer help track work outs ?

I use a MyZone fitness belt & watch + app at the gym myself to track my work outs (it works with all the gym equipment/machines). I find using dedicated hardware and an app much better at getting accurate results than just a mobile device on its own. Likewise the chest belt I wear also works outside of the gym with the app.

I bought an iPod Touch recently because my old nano broke (would never take my 6S+ into the gym, its just too big) and now I'm actually thinking selling it off and buying a 64gb SE myself for its compact size and more pocket-ability. I'll likely keep my 6S+ too though.
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How good is the battery life now?

It's meant to be closer to the 6S+ than the 6S / 5S ....
 
Excuse my ignorance but how does the barometer help track work outs ?

I use a MyZone fitness belt & watch + app at the gym myself to track my work outs (it works with all the gym equipment/machines). I find using dedicated hardware and an app much better at getting accurate results than just a mobile device on its own. Likewise the chest belt I wear also works outside of the gym with the app.

I bought an iPod Touch recently because my old nano broke (would never take my 6S+ into the gym, its just too big) and now I'm actually thinking selling it off and buying a 64gb SE myself for its compact size and more pocket-ability. I'll likely keep my 6S+ too though.
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It's meant to be closer to the 6S+ than the 6S / 5S ....

So 1-3 hours more than right?
 
Excuse my ignorance but how does the barometer help track work outs ?
After the dust settled and I calmed down :oops:, I started to realized that it matters little to me. I think its only measuring my stairs climbed. It may have other benefits for my hiking, but I don't use any health apps when I go out hiking, i.e., I do hiking to enjoy nature.
 
I use GPS apps, such as Strava, to track my outdoor activities: cycling, hiking, running, skiing, etc. This really makes the barometer unnecessary.

I am hoping the SE will work out. The only thing I'm skeptical about is the battery life. If it's anything like my old 5, I'll be returning it for a 6s.
 
After the dust settled and I calmed down :oops:, I started to realized that it matters little to me. I think its only measuring my stairs climbed. It may have other benefits for my hiking, but I don't use any health apps when I go out hiking, i.e., I do hiking to enjoy nature.

Me too. I go hiking & climbing regularly around me too and I'm off to do the Camino in a couple of weeks and hope to have the SE before then :)
 
3D Touch is the deal breaker for me. However, the fact that it was not included on the SE makes me question how much it is going to become an integral part of iOS vs just being a gimmick. I mean I use it a ton, but it seems like it isn't super useful for most people.

I don't use it at all (6s). Tried it for a few days and then turned it off.

So that fact that it's not included on the SE means nothing to me.
 
I don't use it at all (6s). Tried it for a few days and then turned it off.

So that fact that it's not included on the SE means nothing to me.

Yeah my only usage is for cursor control when using the keyboard. Works very well for that, but otherwise I don't use it myself or finding a compelling need to use it.
 
Yeah my only usage is for cursor control when using the keyboard. Works very well for that, but otherwise I don't use it myself or finding a compelling need to use it.

That and multitasking are the only things I use it for. Oh and live photos, but that is just a long press on phones without it.
 
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After the dust settled and I calmed down :oops:, I started to realized that it matters little to me. I think its only measuring my stairs climbed. It may have other benefits for my hiking, but I don't use any health apps when I go out hiking, i.e., I do hiking to enjoy nature.

If you wear an Apple Watch then you can use the Apple Watch Barometer I believe ... Something to be confirmed for sure.
 
My biggest qualm with SE is the front camera. I could live without all the other omissions like the older Touch ID, no barometer, less contrasting ratio of the display, and whatnot. I don't think any of those features is worth an extra $250+.

Going from "5.5 to "4 could be way too drastic. I suggest 6s. You could see the SE again like revisiting a souped up 5s and think what a kiddie's toy it is to use after a few days or weeks. I tried LIKING "4 again last year because I missed the one-handed comfort use and comfort in my pocket but just couldn't get accustomed to its cramped keyboard and rarely streamed or watched videos on it. I will mainly use the SE to Facetime and iMessage my fam back home and SE seems like the most affordable way toward a mobile platform I don't even prefer. An iPhone SE could never be a true primary for me even with the better specs over my three "5 phones because of its limited screen size and a closed platform where I prefer Android and WP more.
 
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limited screen size? the other phones are what a cm larger screen when viewing same video on 5s and 6s its not much different (for me anyway) but 5s i so much more comfortable to hold and use; viewing of large videos I use iPad or tv
 
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This is just dumb. If Steve Jobs were alive he would have made those bozos make a 4" version that has all of the specs of the 4.7" phone along with the higher price. It would make a lot of people very happy. So, a low priced SE and a higher priced SSE that's full featured, perhaps even the same curved design, just smaller.

Imagine all of the 6s features stuffed into a SE sized body!? Everyone here who's considering the tradeoffs would not have to consider any tradeoffs...

I secretly wish that Cook has enough brains to figure this out is hard at work on an SE2 that has all of features that's coming on the iPhone 7 that's going to be released this Sept. Hopefully they can release it at the same time! I'm sure lots of people would gladly pay the same price for the smaller screen.

But sadly, Cook is probably not that smart and is driving Apple into the ground...
 
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Yeah. Cook needs to get it together. 4+ years of record revenue and profits every quarter clearly shows his lack of leadership and direction for the company.
Sure, it took bozos like Sculley 12 years to drive Apple into the ground after Steve Jobs ouster. So what is your point? You do realize that for a large company like Apple, it's like turning a battleship. There was a ton of positive momentum right around when Steve died. So it will take a few years for you to see the effects of Cook's poor leadership. His lackluster watch sure doesn't instill confidence.
 
Sure, it took bozos like Sculley 12 years to drive Apple into the ground after Steve Jobs ouster. So what is your point? You do realize that for a large company like Apple, it's like turning a battleship. There was a ton of positive momentum right around when Steve died. So it will take a few years for you to see the effects of Cook's poor leadership. His lackluster watch sure doesn't instill confidence.

The watch that has sold more than any other smartwatch out there, you mean? I really think people are very misguided when it comes to what they expect in the Apple Watch. They look at Apple's total userbase for iPhones and somehow expect far more of them to jump on the smartwatch when it's a market in its infancy. Apple's estimated sales for the watch is about equivalent to 2008, which was the iPhone's first real year of sales.

It's funny how people's criticisms of Apple vary. Some say that Jobs had things planned out for four years, which would mean that his hand was involved in the iPhone 5C. Others say that Cook has to have been the one in charge since the iPhone 5 since that's when the sizes started changing. It seems like everything positive gets attributed to Jobs (while forgetting 'you're holding it wrong', etc) and everything negative gets attributed to Cook.
 
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The watch that has sold more than any other smartwatch out there, you mean? I really think people are very misguided when it comes to what they expect in the Apple Watch. They look at Apple's total userbase for iPhones and somehow expect far more of them to jump on the smartwatch when it's a market in its infancy. Apple's estimated sales for the watch is about equivalent to 2008, which was the iPhone's first real year of sales.

It's funny how people's criticisms of Apple vary. Some say that Jobs had things planned out for four years, which would mean that his hand was involved in the iPhone 5C. Others say that Cook has to have been the one in charge since the iPhone 5 since that's when the sizes started changing. It seems like everything positive gets attributed to Jobs (while forgetting 'you're holding it wrong', etc) and everything negative gets attributed to Cook.
That's not true nor fair. Everyone gave Cook massive benefit of the doubt when Steve Jobs died.

The fact of the matter is that Steve knew to bide his time with products. He knew the best moment to release something. The watch was just not ready. Meek market adoption was the result. That's why Cook is so embarrassed that he never released sales numbers. Cook never really identified the killer feature. To this day he's still clueless. He thinks it's a fashion item!

Let me tell you what the killer must have feature for the watch is. And Steve would have honed in on this as well. It's health monitoring. Blood pressure, heart rate, and other vitals can be measured with a device like this. Instead of waiting until they perfected these must have features in their secret lab, Cook chose to release it as a fashion item. This would have had Steve so pissed!

Imagine if at the first reveal of the watch they would have launched with those features. I guarantee that everyone and their uncle would have bought one. People would not only buy it for themselves but for their parents, loved ones. I mean, who wouldn't want to have essentially a doctor strapped to their wrist monitoring their health 24/7? All for a few hundred bucks?

But Cook lacks the vision so see these things clearly. He's a great COO, but he's no CEO. He lacks vision. He seems overly concerned over things that have nothing to do with business such as politics. Whereas, when Steve was alive they were all very focused. They're no longer so. Even Jony spend more time giving interviews. Jony, keep your big mouth shut and get back into the lab designing products!
 
Cook never really identified the killer feature. To this day he's still clueless. He thinks it's a fashion item!

Let me tell you what the killer must have feature for the watch is. And Steve would have honed in on this as well. It's health monitoring. Blood pressure, heart rate, and other vitals can be measured with a device like this. Instead of waiting until they perfected these must have features in their secret lab, Cook chose to release it as a fashion item. This would have had Steve so pissed!

I find this exceptionally funny considering that the iPhone launched without mms, without copy & paste, without a front facing camera & without third party apps. It was also heavily criticized for not having a user-replaceable battery, etc.

What this really boils down to is your opinion on what Jobs would have done, and whether that would have been successful. Since we have neither a connection to the afterlife or a wormhole to other dimensions, I'm going to have to point out that you just don't know whether Jobs would have done any such thing or whether it would have been that successful.
 
I find this exceptionally funny considering that the iPhone launched without mms, without copy & paste, without a front facing camera & without third party apps. It was also heavily criticized for not having a user-replaceable battery, etc.


That's actually the focus something like the watch *needs* quite honestly. The initial iPhone focused on what was ready, and that it could do very very well at that time. Multitouch was a revolution at the time and they were focused on bridging the iPod + Dumb phone worlds into one product. It was totally amazing at the time as I'm sure you recall.

The Watch would be a FAR better product right now if it didn't have 3rd party apps (as one example) and simply focused on a couple core things like health data and notifications.
 
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That's actually the focus something like the watch *needs* quite honestly. The initial iPhone focused on what was ready, and that it could do very very well at that time. Multitouch was a revolution at the time and they were focused on bridging the iPod + Dumb phone worlds into one product. It was totally amazing at the time as I'm sure you recall.

The Watch would be a FAR better product right now if it didn't have 3rd party apps (as one example) and simply focused on a couple core things like health data and notifications.

I'd actually buy that more than the idea that Apple should have shoved in more features on top of what it already has. I'm actually fine with criticism of what Apple should or shouldn't have included in a device, it's the sweeping statements that 'this isn't what Jobs would have done!' and 'Apple is doomed!' that irritate me.
 
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I'd actually buy that more than the idea that Apple should have shoved in more features on top of what it already has. I'm actually fine with criticism of what Apple should or shouldn't have included in a device, it's the sweeping statements that 'this isn't what Jobs would have done!' and 'Apple is doomed!' that irritate me.

Very fair. I agree. (That last line)
 
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Sure, it took bozos like Sculley 12 years to drive Apple into the ground after Steve Jobs ouster. So what is your point? You do realize that for a large company like Apple, it's like turning a battleship. There was a ton of positive momentum right around when Steve died. So it will take a few years for you to see the effects of Cook's poor leadership. His lackluster watch sure doesn't instill confidence.

I rather admire what I see of Cook's leadership so far. I'm all for criticism of Apple when it's due, but you're going to need to come up with more than "The watch sucks" and "Cook is stupid" to convince anyone. There have been Apple doomsday predictions since the day Jobs died. And the company keeps turning record profits and releasing hit products. Tell me something new. With evidence preferably. Otherwise it's just opinion or speculation.

Also, quit saying what Jobs would or wouldn't do as if you know. He's dead. Nobody knows. Not even you.


Now to get back on topic: it looks like the SE is one badass phone. The more reviews/articles/videos I see the more I want one. That 3D Touch on my 6S though.....
 
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