iPhone SE vs. iPhone 6s

[MrAverigeUser]

I have the 6s and am definitely going with the SE.

• One-handed design
• Incredible battery life
• Beautiful 5s design (with no ugly camera bulge!)
• Great value price
• No curved screen nonsense so edge to edge protectors work perfectly

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plus:
- You can take it in your pocket with you, even in the shirt pocket.
- I can continue to use my sennheiser cxc 700 headphones with the 3,5mm jack
- business-people go on to take me serious because I don´t use a gamer-phone
- doesn´t bent
- the iPhone5 form factor (still use two iPhone 5 without any problem) and technology has been proved as very reliable (Important for business)
- after purchase of the SE: no need to look for a new iPhone again until 2020 or later…. if as reliable as the iP5.
- I can go on to use all of my "old" iPhone 5 accessoirs.

apple did a damn good job - at least for one single time:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ing-battery-life.1958228/page-3#post-22700266

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Yep, they did for the selfies. Its on the Apple store site and mentioned on another site as well. Photos are going to be a little more grainie and dark. Rear camera will have the f2.2

The difference between a f=2.2 and f=2.4 lens is nothing worth mentioning (Except, of course, the apple marketing people).
To give you an example: current lenses have as well to obey the physics law in optical construction that they half/double light transmission with every step. that means you need double the time of exposition. So a f= 2.8 lens will need double the exposition time of a 2.0 lens.
Now you guess already that the difference between (f) 2,2 and 2,4 lenses about exposition time are near zero - and you are right.

Not all people understand that the "numbers" of apertures of lenses follow a logarhytmic calculation:
each of the following full aperture steps above doubles the light transmission onto the sensor:

(f) 1,4 - 2,0 - 2,8 - 4,0 - 5,6 - 8,0

so you see: the only difference between f=2,2 and f=2,4 is about marketing….

 

[Jetcat3]

And 2GB's of ram yay!

 

[9646829]

I had the 5s then 6 which I kinda got used to but I hated the slippery rounded edges. I foolishly then upgraded to a 6s plus thinking I'd get used to it and use it more like a tablet...

In short I never use my phone due to the size so I will be selling it and getting a gold SE.

 

[12vElectronics]

If you like tracking workouts, there are fitness bands out there have built-in barometers. Though, that will just add to costs.

Just one more thing that we have to wear/remember to charge etc...

 

[trifid]

3D touch is a frustrating piece of junk, I would not consider it as a factor, until Apple wakes up and fixes it.

iPhone SE is very impressive, kudos to Apple for delivering particularly on pricing.

Only thing I'd nitpick on, for me it's very important the front camera, it's a shame it's the same old one, but that'd depend on your usage.

As for barometer, does Apple watch have one? You could get Apple watch since it's now cheaper...

 

[aces99]

Does anyone know what the difference is between the SE LTE and the 6S advanced LTE speeds? I really wish the SE had advanced LTE. But other that that it sounds like a great phone.

 

[Jetcat3]

Does anyone know what the difference is between the SE LTE and the 6S advanced LTE speeds? I really wish the SE had advanced LTE. But other that that it sounds like a great phone.

Theoretical 300 mbps on the LTE advanced chip vs 150 mbps. The chip in the 6s and 6s plus is Qualcomm MDM9635 and the chip in the SE, 6, 6 plus, both iPad Pro's LTE, iPad Air 2 and Mini 4 are all MDM9625. In real world use, it'll be a while to get 300 mbps I believe.

 

[aces99]

Theoretical 300 mbps on the LTE advanced chip vs 150 mbps. The chip in the 6s and 6s plus is Qualcomm MDM9635 and the chip in the SE, 6, 6 plus, both iPad Pro's LTE, iPad Air 2 and Mini 4 are all MDM9625. In real world use, it'll be a while to get 300 mbps I believe.

I thought in the keynote speech on Monday that they said the LTE in the SE was supposed to be twice as fast as the 5S. But looks like they are the same speeds. Also according to this post on MacRumours the iPhone 6 is supposed to support advanced LTE https://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/06/lte-speeds-comparision-iphone-6-5s/

 

[mattopotamus]

3D Touch is the deal breaker for me. However, the fact that it was not included on the SE makes me question how much it is going to become an integral part of iOS vs just being a gimmick. I mean I use it a ton, but it seems like it isn't super useful for most people.

not even the fact it is not on the SE. It is also not on the new iPad pro. I am the first to stick up for a feature, but it is nothing but a long press. Everything 3D touch does at this point and time could be achieved with software and a long press. Take live photos for example.

 

[lordofthereef]

OP,
Will you be buying this outright? Hell, even if not, you are on ATT (if I recall correctly) so you can always give it a good run for its money and return it if it's not to your liking.

I use my phone for workouts too and honestly haven't noticed a difference in usefulness since the barometer was added. I guess I don't generally run with much change in altitude. Is there any other benefit I am unaware of?
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not even the fact it is not on the SE. It is also not on the new iPad pro. I am the first to stick up for a feature, but it is nothing but a long press. Everything 3D touch does at this point and time could be achieved with software and a long press. Take live photos for example.

I use it constantly for app switcher, and it probably could be achieved with a long press, but I don't think it would be as fluid. I saw some videos of live photo activation on the SE (I never used live photos on anything other than 3d touch so all I have is a video) and it doesn't seem as fluid; in two different videos the user had to try twice to get it right (maybe because they were used to true 3d touch, not sure).

I have also used it for moving and dropping the cursor in a large body of text. Again, I am sure it could be done with a long press, but I feel it too wouldn't be as fluid (and confusing because long pressing the keyboard generally brings up other options). It also works like a :click" for more precisely selecting bodies of text, which I use much less often.

Personally speaking I really like the feature and I think I would miss it. I wholeheartedly agree that it is not one of Apple's strongest additional feature sets in recent years.

 

[Jetcat3]

I thought in the keynote speech on Monday that they said the LTE in the SE was supposed to be twice as fast as the 5S. But looks like they are the same speeds. Also according to this post on MacRumours the iPhone 6 is supposed to support advanced LTE https://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/06/lte-speeds-comparision-iphone-6-5s/

Oh sorry. The 5 and 5s used the MDM9615 chip which can only pull 100 Mbps download speeds. So this chip (9625) is an upgrade from the 5 and 5s.

 

[mattopotamus]

OP,
Will you be buying this outright? Hell, even if not, you are on ATT (if I recall correctly) so you can always give it a good run for its money and return it if it's not to your liking.

I use my phone for workouts too and honestly haven't noticed a difference in usefulness since the barometer was added. I guess I don't generally run with much change in altitude. Is there any other benefit I am unaware of?
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I use it constantly for app switcher, and it probably could be achieved with a long press, but I don't think it would be as fluid. I saw some videos of live photo activation on the SE (I never used live photos on anything other than 3d touch so all I have is a video) and it doesn't seem as fluid; in two different videos the user had to try twice to get it right (maybe because they were used to true 3d touch, not sure).

I have also used it for moving and dropping the cursor in a large body of text. Again, I am sure it could be done with a long press, but I feel it too wouldn't be as fluid (and confusing because long pressing the keyboard generally brings up other options). It also works like a :click" for more precisely selecting bodies of text, which I use much less often.

Personally speaking I really like the feature and I think I would miss it. I wholeheartedly agree that it is not one of Apple's strongest additional feature sets in recent years.

I use it for the exact same things. The app switcher could definitely be achieved with a long press. Also, the cursor in text is hit or miss. I sent my sister a few live photos yesterday to test it, and it was just as easy as using 3D touch. Maybe down the road it will be better, but right now it is meh. The same is true on a macbook. I never use force touch.

 

[CBillups1]

3D Touch is the deal breaker for me. However, the fact that it was not included on the SE makes me question how much it is going to become an integral part of iOS vs just being a gimmick. I mean I use it a ton, but it seems like it isn't super useful for most people.

I think touch is stupid. Yes I have the 6S. Haven't actually found it useful or wanting to use it at anytime

 

[estabya]

I think touch is stupid. Yes I have the 6S. Haven't actually found it useful or wanting to use it at anytime

I use it many times a day for cursor movement, email/web page previews, and app shortcuts on home screen. Since I have been using it increasingly for the 6 months I've had the 6S, it would be jarring and annoying to not have it all of a sudden. That's the biggest thing keeping me from picking up an SE.

 

[I7guy]

3D touch is a frustrating piece of junk, I would not consider it as a factor, until Apple wakes up and fixes it.

iPhone SE is very impressive, kudos to Apple for delivering particularly on pricing.

Only thing I'd nitpick on, for me it's very important the front camera, it's a shame it's the same old one, but that'd depend on your usage.

As for barometer, does Apple watch have one? You could get Apple watch since it's now cheaper...

I constantly use that junky 3DT. Biggest use case is activating the trackpad. Second biggest use case is settings, battery.

 

[trifid]

I constantly use that junky 3DT. Biggest use case is activating the trackpad. Second biggest use case is settings, battery.

I agree the best use for it so far is the trackpad and I actually wish Apple would just let me use a two finger gesture to use trackpad rather than 3DT on iOS devices where 3D touch isn't present.

 

[dumastudetto]

I was ready to buy the SE but as I move away from the RDF from yesterday's event, I'm considering my needs and I'm not so sure the SE is the best phone for me.

I have a 6 plus which I think is too big, but am I going over board and moving from a 5.5" phone to a 4"?

Here's what the SE does not have.

• TouchID 2 (Original TouchID).
• No 5-megapixel FaceTime camera
• No barometer
• No 3D Touch display
• No Dual-Domain pixels
• No LTE Advanced

Thoughts and opinions on the SE vs. the 6s?

From your list, the missing barometer was new to me and is a bit of a concern. I gather from the other threads this has some benefits for the fitness tracking I really love, so I might miss it. It's a question mark only.

I do find the slower less reliable Touch ID annoying on the devices I have that still use it. But given the insanely low price of the SE, I could live with it.

I really like 3D Touch but it's not essential to the iOS experience. It has become a little more useful in 9.3 though!

I never use FaceTime. LTE-Advanced wouldn't worry me. Dual-Domain pixels isn't something I've really seen a significant benefit of.

The much smaller screen would be the only deal breaker for me. I have a 5s sitting here and it just feels too small and cramped for me.

All in all, I'm blown away by all that the SE can do at the price point. The specs are incredible. If you want a smaller iPhone, you will be getting an incredible value from buying the SE.

 

[I7guy]

I agree the best use for it so far is the trackpad and I actually wish Apple would just let me use a two finger gesture to use trackpad rather than 3DT on iOS devices where 3D touch isn't present.

Doesn't 9.3 allow those gestures? Or is it only on the iPad.

 

[trifid]

Doesn't 9.3 allow those gestures? Or is it only on the iPad.

Only iPad as far as I know.

 

[lordofthereef]

I use it for the exact same things. The app switcher could definitely be achieved with a long press. Also, the cursor in text is hit or miss. I sent my sister a few live photos yesterday to test it, and it was just as easy as using 3D touch. Maybe down the road it will be better, but right now it is meh. The same is true on a macbook. I never use force touch.

I've had great success with dropping the cursor. I really like it. My biggest gripe is its not supported in a third party keyboard.

3d touch for apps switcher is superior when an app is in full screen mode. It keeps the user from accidentally inputting something unintentionally since it's actually detecting force and not just a long press. This is similar to my keyboard example. I type in Hungarian too and long pressing the keyboard would give me accents over virtually every vowel as opposed to allowing me to drop a cursor.

It's not a killer feature, but I do think it's superior to a long press in these specific scenarios.

 

[Zagor13]

never use face time or take selfies with front camera (I occasionally take selfie with front camera by pointing in my direction); even my 6s front camera takes horrible pictures with front camera so I only use 12 pix back camera for occasional selfie; 3D as far I'm concerned is useless and I never use it; Barometer I never use; I basically know how far is 5km when I jog or bike etc..I will not miss or use barometer...Can't wait to order SE (I was never anxious about phones before but this time I'm actually happy that I will be able to buy a powerful phone that is of best design with square edges, small (unlike the current brick or paperback phones)...

 

[mattopotamus]

never use face time or take selfies with front camera (I occasionally take selfie with front camera by pointing in my direction); even my 6s front camera takes horrible pictures with front camera so I only use 12 pix back camera for occasional selfie; 3D as far I'm concerned is useless and I never use it; Barometer I never use; I basically know how far is 5km when I jog or bike etc..I will not miss or use barometer...Can't wait to order SE (I was never anxious about phones before but this time I'm actually happy that I will be able to buy a powerful phone that is of best design with square edges, small (unlike the current brick or paperback phones)...

I use FaceTime all of the time, and the camera will still be better than the one on my macbook haha.

 

[Brady0123]

I have the 6s and am definitely going with the SE.

• One-handed design
• Incredible battery life
• Beautiful 5s design (with no ugly camera bulge!)
• Great value price
• No curved screen nonsense so edge to edge protectors work perfectly

You should drink a cup with the guy upstairs .
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I was ready to buy the SE but as I move away from the RDF from yesterday's event, I'm considering my needs and I'm not so sure the SE is the best phone for me.

I have a 6 plus which I think is too big, but am I going over board and moving from a 5.5" phone to a 4"?

Here's what the SE does not have.

• TouchID 2 (Original TouchID).
• No 5-megapixel FaceTime camera
• No barometer
• No 3D Touch display
• No Dual-Domain pixels
• No LTE Advanced

Now, I own a 6 plus, so I don't have LTE Advanced, Dual Domain Pixels, and a 5MP Facetime camera. So for 499 I'm basically getting a faster (a9 processor) phone.

For me I think the loss of the barometer is huge, since I work out a lot and I like to be able to use my phone to track my work outs.

Thoughts and opinions on the SE vs. the 6s?

You should drink a cup with the guy downstairs .

 

[maflynn]

never use face time or take selfies with front camera

My kids use Facetime and selfies all the time. I probably would not take a selfie if it weren't for them. With that said, owning a 6 plus, the front camera of the SE is not really all that worse then the 6 (I think the aperture may be a tad smaller). Its one of those features I'm not worked up over

 

[12vElectronics]

My kids use Facetime and selfies all the time. I probably would not take a selfie if it weren't for them. With that said, owning a 6 plus, the front camera of the SE is not really all that worse then the 6 (I think the aperture may be a tad smaller). Its one of those features I'm not worked up over

Did you end up ordering the SE?