Lmao how many cars are out there that offer wireless carplay. All this elitism because you probably own one of like 5 models in the world that offer it at this point. Hey let’s all throw away our cars and get a *checks paper* BMW X7 because *checks paper* apple said soI think everyone who has wired CarPlay right now are really going to be the ones most shocked by the move. While there are quite a few cars on the road today with CarPlay and/or android audio, it’s still a very tiny percentage overall, and not near enough to sway any company to keep a port they don’t need to.
More manufacturers are already moving on to wireless CarPlay now, and unfortunately it will be wired CarPlay that becomes irrelevant.
Technology isn’t going to slow down just so someone can connect their phone to a 15 year old car without wireless CarPlay.
B-but they all have iPads no? And MacBooks no? are those two platforms not important?Apple's going to keep the iPhone on lightning connector because switching to USB-C would be bad for the environment since people would replace their lightning accessories with USB-C ones.![]()
let's dump billions of lightning cables into the landfill just to have a slightly better charging experience for 1-3 years before going to a portless iPhone. talk about "crazy".
I live in a city now where I don’t even need a car lol, so there goes that idea. Plus I would never ever buy a bmw.Lmao how many cars are out there that offer wireless carplay. All this elitism because you probably own one of like 5 models in the world that offer it at this point. Hey let’s all throw away our cars and get a *checks paper* BMW X7 because *checks paper* apple said so
And I doubly don’t understand how people can still defend lightning. The same crowd that ooh ahh’d over iPads getting lightning are now supporting this. Like which is it? Do you want what’s best for the industry or are you just automatically agreeing with anything apple does at this point? Doesn’t it get tiring not having your own opinions on anything?Lighting is so vintage and so slow I cant understand why Samsung does’t mock at it
lots of IP68 USB-C phones out there.yes, but not of them are water resistance
I do agree with your thoughts on lightning vs usb-c... But I have had several cables that with a particular pin on both sides that have blackened over time, presumably due to the small sparking that occurs when disconnecting. Sometimes scratching off the carbon with a wooden toothpick fixes it, but eventually, I had to throw the cables away. Fortunately with the frequency I've purchased apple products... I've had a steady stream of replacements to back fill the retired ones.I've never seen a lightning connector wear out. At the worst it needs an occasional cleaning.
Fantastic news!! Lightning > USB-C
Apple will retain the Lightning connector on the iPhone for the "foreseeable future," with no intention of switching to USB-C, according to reliable analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.
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In spite of much of the industry moving toward USB-C, Apple will not be using it to replace the Lightning connector on the iPhone 13, or indeed on any iPhone model for the time being. In a note seen by MacRumors yesterday, Kuo explained that Apple is reluctant to move to USB-C since it is a free, open standard, as well as less waterproof than Lightning.
Currently, Apple is able to strictly regulate the quality of Lightning cables and accessories through its Made for iPhone (MFi) program. MFi also generates a significant amount of income for the company since third-party manufacturers have to pay Apple a considerable commission to make Lightning cables or accessories.
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Apple has used the Lightning connector on every iPhone since the iPhone 5 in 2012, but it has transitioned several of its devices to USB-C, including the iPad Pro, MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and most recently, the iPad Air. With the need to connect to external drives being less pressing and some USB-C features such as external display connectivity outright impossible on an iPhone, Apple is understandably less motivated to switch to USB-C on its most profitable product for MFi.
Transitioning the iPhone to USB-C this year would also leave a significant number of devices such as the entry-level iPad, iPad mini, AirPods, and a plethora of accessories such as the Magic Trackpad and MagSafe Duo charger, stuck with a connector that would no longer be widely used on any flagship products. Switching the iPhone to USB-C may, therefore, tip the scales against Lightning across Apple's product lineup, potentially forcing the company to phase out the connector entirely across a large number of products sooner than it wants to.
Amid rumors of a portless iPhone, Kuo clarified that Apple is more likely to switch directly to a portless model rather than first change to USB-C:
In spite of this, Kuo stated that MagSafe wireless charging technology is not yet ready to displace a wired port, having only debuted as recently as October 2020 on the iPhone 12 lineup. MagSafe is currently unable to transfer data, complete a device recovery, or take diagnostics, which would seemingly be essential features on a future iPhone with no ports.Overall, this means that Apple is intending to stick with the Lightning connector for the upcoming iPhone 13 at minimum, but could well extend to models beyond that, too.
Kuo's recent spate of reports about the future of the iPhone included the speculation that in 2022, at least some iPhone models will abandon the notch and switch to a "punch-hole display design" instead, and in 2023, Apple may unveil a 7.5–8 inch foldable iPhone.
Article Link: iPhone Sticking With Lightning Port Over USB-C for 'Foreseeable Future'
It's not. The connector has failed on me more frequently than others, and that's not even the biggest problem. The real issue is only the Apple cables work reliably (even the MFi ones are ehh), and they make notoriously fragile cables that will fray if they ever leave your desk. Hence the joke that's been in my sig forever.I know I'll catch flak for saying this, but...
I'm glad. The lightning connector is a lot more durable than USB-C. I honestly think that this is why Apple keeps using it in their highest volume products.
Dumb idea. Different ports on different phone models?? Seriously??Like iPad Pro, iPhone Pro should have USB-C. Keep Lightning on non-Pro models to appease the mass. But USB-C not only simplifies those with growing number of USB-C cables, but also USB-C external storage and monitor.
It's not. The connector has failed on me more frequently than others, and that's not even the biggest problem. The real issue is only the Apple cables work reliably (even the MFi ones are ehh), and they make notoriously fragile cables that will fray if they ever leave your desk.
+ non Apple devices like Kindles and portable bluetooth speakers that are often taken when traveling and packing made easier with a single cableYea, crazy how a person might want to use the same charger / cable for their iPad & iPhone.
Why would Lightning appease the masses? The masses have all sorts of USB-C chargers and cables laying around now.Like iPad Pro, iPhone Pro should have USB-C. Keep Lightning on non-Pro models to appease the mass. But USB-C not only simplifies those with growing number of USB-C cables, but also USB-C external storage and monitor.
Ok, but when do car stereos ever not become outdated? Did you think your car would always work with the latest iPhone when the only way to connect it is via a cable? My car is from '06 and doesn't even have an aux because they thought people only used CDs, which maybe they did in Europe at the time. So got a $10 radio transmitter. Big deal.As others have noted, a portless phone option will ruin an important option for many who don't have the latest car audio. Replacing dongles, cables, phones, etc. is one thing, removing one's ability to use their phone in their car is another. I have a 2017 VW Alltrack, and I plan on having it for as many years as I can. It has Apple Car play but not for bluetooth. I don't mind that a bit. I'd rather have the option to plug-in (and charge) my phone and not mess with bluetooth pairing and its inevitable unpairing when you least expect it.
Kuo explained that Apple is reluctant to move to USB-C since it is a free, open standard, as well as less waterproof than Lightning.
We believe that USB-C is detrimental to the MFi business's profitability, and its waterproof specification is lower than Lightning and MagSafe.
Lightning works. It’s not the best, it’s definitely not the most convenient, but they are still putting it on new products today.
Apples brilliant marketing has (certain) people utterly afraid of generating their own critical thought on something. That kind of existence kind of scares me honestly. “A good customer is a customer that doesn’t ask questions and buys into anything we sayThe other explanation as to why Apple removed the 3.5mm headphone jack.
For people who want ear/headphones, this forces them to either
(1) buy wired ear/headphones with lightning connector from Apple or MFi certified ones, or
(2) buy wireless earphones... most of which will likely be a variant of Apple's AirPods or something from their Beats line.
In either case, Apple win$.
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