Yes I do. I had my secretary make a few phone calls and your detective is getting the info as we speak.
See, I would think Steve would be more like Batman and take the baddies out ninja style.
Yes I do. I had my secretary make a few phone calls and your detective is getting the info as we speak.
I do wish you luck. I'm a lifelong mac customer too and am shocked at the treatment I'm getting form the corporation and here. I emailed SJ last night. Let's see if that gets me anywhere!
On the other hand, I'm disheartened to hear you waited for over 2 months for Apple to respond to the subpoena. Does law student on here know if there is a time limit within which a response is required?
(Although in your case, I'm actually suprised the police got the laptop back and not the name. I would typically think it would be the other way around.)
Apple is resisting because, if the person who brought it in happened to be completely innocent, it would look terribly bad that they were revealing people's identification to the police.
Now, if the police had tracked this guy down (let's say waited for him to come back and pick up the macbook?) and gathered enough evidence to charge him with theft (say, fingerprints matched from the crime scene), then Apple would be more likely to cooperate. But clearly their legal department is sensing that this is not the case.
Or at all? LOL
This thread has become *very* entertaining.
Just to be clear, I personally never asked Apple to turn any personal information over to me, but to the police, who have procured an arrest warrant and a subpoena for that information. So at this point, Apple is refusing to cooperate with the legal process.
Apple is resisting because, if the person who brought it in happened to be completely innocent, it would look terribly bad that they were revealing people's identification to the police.
. Also, giving information to the police is not always in your best interest.
Just my .02 but it is a rather experienced opinion.
I worked in a guitar shop for a NUMBER of years, and guitars and guitar amps are a HIGHLY sought after item and very often easy to steal (from gigs and cars)
We used to PURCHASE used guitars from people all the time. SOMETIMES a guitar that we purchased would show up on a fax that was sent to us by either the police department OR the person who it was stolen from> We would KNOW it was the right guitar because of serial numbers.
Anyways, if we already purchased (before the serial number reached us as a stolen item) the item off of the theif, the store was REQUIRED BY LAW to turn the guitar over to the police department at a loss to the store.
If the person shows up with a guitar to sell that we already KNOW is stolen, OBVIOUSLY it is ILLEGAL for our store to purchase it. The store was REQUIRED by law to try to hold the person in the store within reason until the cop gets there, and to take the actual stolen item into a place where it is safe. For the guitars, we would tell them we are taking it back to our repair guy to look at it before we gave him an offer. Phones are easier because they are smaller. We would then be required to CALL the cops and get as MUCH info as possible> AGain, collecting the info is pretty easy because in order to sell the guitar, theyw ould have to fill out info WITH a copy of their drivers lisence (similar to the info you give to activate a new phone)
I would THINK that the requirement would be the same for activating a KNOWN stolen good. Once it is in the possesion of the store (Like when the clerk has it in their hands to activate it) then it is in the possesion of the store and they HAVE to hold onto it before the police arrive and they are supposed to try to hold the person in the store (within reasonable force by either a security guard, ect) until the police gets there. If it is too dangerous to hold the person there, the stolen item is supposed to be put in a safe place (usually a safe or lock box) and as MUHC information as possible should be collected by the store while the police is in route to the store
Anyways, the reason i know the laws so well in my area is because i started out as a guitar sales person, but the last 2 years i worked there, i was involved in the loss prevention and purchasing department. It was a good gig and i got to work with the police on a lot of stolen goods investigations ( the store was located in a pretty rought city)
If they offered some sort of anti-theft alerting service, that would put them significantly ahead of other computer companies.
There are such third party devices available for purchase.
So you are suggesting I should have said "wow my computer turned up at the store. how fascinating." and gone on my way? what choice did I have besides talking to the police?
our shop was a national chain of guitar stores and music equipment.. SAM ASH.
You're right, the police would definitely help the situation IF they were to fax over a weekly list of serial numbers of stolen iphones, BUT if the person in the store ALREADY KNEW it was stolen, ALL that person had to do was call the cops, and there is NO REASON why the manager should not have allowed it. it would be considered illegal to not report a crime correct??
In my mind, even though it is a little different in here that they did not get a serial number DIRECTLY from the police, and they were not purchasing it, but they still by law, have to report a crime correct??
It ALL just seems fishy and completely unbelievable that they would go ahead and activate it, and at the LEAST, they should have called the cops on the spot, held on to the phone and had the cops come in and just question him
And if the guy bought it off craigslist at a great price, not really knowing it was stolen, it is STILL his loss. its illegal to purchase stolen good.. Look at the guitar store.. You might not get prosecuted if you didnt KNOW you were buying stolen goods, but you WILL loose the goods
our shop was a national chain of guitar stores and music equipment.. SAM ASH.
You're right, the police would definitely help the situation IF they were to fax over a weekly list of serial numbers of stolen iphones, BUT if the person in the store ALREADY KNEW it was stolen, ALL that person had to do was call the cops, and there is NO REASON why the manager should not have allowed it. it would be considered illegal to not report a crime correct??
In my mind, even though it is a little different in here that they did not get a serial number DIRECTLY from the police, and they were not purchasing it, but they still by law, have to report a crime correct??
It ALL just seems fishy and completely unbelievable that they would go ahead and activate it, and at the LEAST, they should have called the cops on the spot, held on to the phone and had the cops come in and just question him
And if the guy bought it off craigslist at a great price, not really knowing it was stolen, it is STILL his loss. its illegal to purchase stolen good.. Look at the guitar store.. You might not get prosecuted if you didnt KNOW you were buying stolen goods, but you WILL loose the goods
Again, you're assuming too much here. How about this: I buy a phone off Fred on Craiglist. I call him, and pay cash, so there's not a "paper" trail. Fred's SO get's pissed that he sold the phone and reports it to Apple as stolen. So I go into Apple, get branded and thief AND they call the cops on me for nothing I did wrong? Sorry, once Apple starts being that loose with their customer information I'm going back to dell.
Again, you're assuming too much here. How about this: I buy a phone off Fred on Craiglist. I call him, and pay cash, so there's not a "paper" trail. Fred's SO get's pissed that he sold the phone and reports it to Apple as stolen. So I go into Apple, get branded and thief AND they call the cops on me for nothing I did wrong? Sorry, once Apple starts being that loose with their customer information I'm going back to dell.
See, I would think Steve would be more like Batman and take the baddies out ninja style.![]()
Batman's a ninja expert?! Now I've heard it all!!
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There are such third party devices available for purchase.
I've got Orbicule Undercover. It does just that. Now if only iPhone could have oneIt'd have to be for Jailbreak, and then I doubt you'd get much Apple CoOperation.
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Didn't you see Batman Begins? Definitely trains in Ninjitsu at the beginning.![]()