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Android is not a PHONE, is an operating system…

Tell me... Which PHONE has being doing better than the iPhone right now? or ever? :confused:

If one wants to compare Android to something, then it would be Android vs. iOS. In which case you need to add a few dozen tablets on one side, and the iPod Touch and iPad on the other side.

But it is really a pointless comparison. There is a quite successful eBook reader that happens to use Android (Amazon Kindle Fire), where nobody cares what operating system it runs, as long as they can read their books on it. In the phone market, iPhones are all at the high end, whereas there are tons of cheap phones with Android. They are cheap enough to buy even if you have no need for a smartphone at all. There's a £89 phone that happens to run Android, and a £30 phone that just makes phone calls, which looks a bit old-fashioned with actual number buttons on the phone, so many will buy the £89 phone because it looks a bit nicer. Yes, it will be counted as an Android phone, but no app will ever be purchased and no app will ever be used on it.
 
Breathtaking

It's been breathtaking to watch how the iPhone pushed the design envelope, took over the market and continues to lead. Apple did something amazing that business students will be reading about for a century with technology that continues to run circles around the competition.

So why don't I have one yet?

Well you know how it is. When you make or receive one call a month or less I just can't justify an iPhone. I surely can't justify an expensive data contract when I have WiFi everywhere I go. My iPod Touch (which is after all a direct descendant of the iPhone ) does most everything I want, e-mail, IM, web, games, etc. etc. though I wish they'd improve the camera.
 
Only in USA and maybe Europe. I see in my neighbourhood more Nokia Ashas and chinese TV-Phones than multitask phones.

Oh, wait... iPhone 1 wasn't multitask but older Symbian-based phones was. It was innovative in marketing, perhaps.

The one real innovation in the iPhone was the touch/gesture UI. I'd had some cool Nokia & Sony Ericsson smartphones with email, web browsers, apps etc. But they were slow and awkward to use. The Nokias had very menu-intensive UIs, and the Sony relied largely on tapping tiny buttons with a stylus.

The difference in usability was huge.
 
I remember when I got my shiny new iphone 1 pretty much the second they came out. I had an argument with one of my friends friends on a night out who turned out to be a salesman for blackberry who tried to laugh my new phone off saying it had nothing compared to the functions of a blackberry. For some reason he was obsessed with the speed of his push email saying the iphone could never compete!

I said ok ok fair enough lets wait 5 years and see if you are so smug........he's now redundant!

Happy birthday iPhone!!!
 
The one real innovation in the iPhone was the touch/gesture UI. I'd had some cool Nokia & Sony Ericsson smartphones with email, web browsers, apps etc. But they were slow and awkward to use. The Nokias had very menu-intensive UIs, and the Sony relied largely on tapping tiny buttons with a stylus.

The difference in usability was huge.

Also, don't forget the apps market/eco-system. Apple allowed 3rd party apps. I don't think Sony, Nokia, or anyone else did that and so they weren't able to succeed.
 
I'd actually be rather intrigued (and later mortified) if I woke up in a world one day with Apple having never existed and Steve Jobs never bothering with revolutionising the world.

I'd think it would be intriguing to see how crap it would be. I reckon we'd be years behind, perhaps now only having operating systems with similar capabilities to what windows 95 and 98 had.

Then their is also the development of the World Wide Web which most likely would have never happened since it was done on a NeXT cube :D
 
IMO the original iPhone wasn't a game changer as such. Yeah it had some nice features but i got incredibly bored with it very quickly and couldn't justify how much it cost to do so little.

Then the app store happened. now that changed the game. Suddenly i would have an idea for some functionality, check the app store, there's an app for that. The app store change the smartphone market for me.
 
Also, don't forget the apps market/eco-system. Apple allowed 3rd party apps. I don't think Sony, Nokia, or anyone else did that and so they weren't able to succeed.

Sure, that absolutely was the difference between 'successful' and 'blockbuster' product; the reason I didn't mention it was because the iPhone launched without 3rd party apps; and it wasn't exactly a mind-blowing innovation.

Soon after launch, most forums were going nuts with people clamouring for the iPhone to be opened up to apps and delivered through iTunes. IMO, it was an incremental (if massively successful) step.
 
It doesn't matter how good your marketing is if you have a crappy product… But having a Kick-Ass product and not putting good marketing on it, would be just plain stupid...

And putting a crappy product on the marketing without any marketing can be as successful... look at the generic TV-Phones from China :p
 
I've had an iPhone since it launched it the UK - I queued outside earphone warehouse and was the second person in. No one knew about the launch (outside of us apple geeks) so the five of us outside the store got some pretty weird looks. I came from an LG Chocolate that was a popular phone at the time but only had WAP internet and nothing else. I'd been going out with a girl earlier that year who had the LG Prada handset - anyone who says that the iPhone copied that handset clearly never used it. It had a big screen but there was no idea how to use it, half the time it was used to replicate a keypad thus negating the size, the touch response was terrible and adding an email account was a nightmare.

Happy Birthday iPhone.
 
The one real innovation in the iPhone was the touch/gesture UI. I'd had some cool Nokia & Sony Ericsson smartphones with email, web browsers, apps etc. But they were slow and awkward to use. The Nokias had very menu-intensive UIs, and the Sony relied largely on tapping tiny buttons with a stylus.

The difference in usability was huge.

Yes, it's all about user experience. It's not about solving a problem, it's about giving a playful, ludic experience to the user. This was the big insight when Apple launched iPhone.
 
Sure, that absolutely was the difference between 'successful' and 'blockbuster' product; the reason I didn't mention it was because the iPhone launched without 3rd party apps; and it wasn't exactly a mind-blowing innovation.

Soon after launch, most forums were going nuts with people clamouring for the iPhone to be opened up to apps and delivered through iTunes. IMO, it was an incremental (if massively successful) step.

The irony now is that at the time they pushed the idea of web apps and people said it was stupid. We've now come round almost full circle and a lot of iPhone apps (outside of games) are just glorified web pages.
 
When I see MacRumors recap post like this I always think of two short-sighted, cocky people...Steve Balmer and Michael Dell.

Dell said this 10 years prior to the iPhone, "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

Apple's given a LOT of money back to shareholders and the iPod is 11 years old, and the iPhone is only 5 years old! Hard-to-swallow humility in the tech world...
 
Yes, it's all about user experience. It's not about solving a problem, it's about giving a playful, ludic experience to the user. This was the big insight when Apple launched iPhone.

That's a rather.... negative way of looking at it. ;)

After months of poking at tiny buttons with a stylus (which I prayed I'd never lose), the ease of use and - yes - fun of using an iPhone made things a lot easier. That is solving a problem.

The irony now is that at the time they pushed the idea of web apps and people said it was stupid. We've now come round almost full circle and a lot of iPhone apps (outside of games) are just glorified web pages.

Hah, good point. I guess people really want a nice icon and a place on the Home page, even if underneath it's not much more than a web page.
 
Just think at its current rate Android (900k+ a day) sells more in 1 year than iphone has in 5 years. Well done Google.

The quote is 900k activations per day, not sold units. That includes tablets, phones, who knows, maybe even emulators. What about returned handsets? My HTC One X went back, was that an "activation"? I installed several ROMs on it. Were those "activations"? Based on Google's statements, an activation is when the phone is sold to you. But there's no real transparency on how they have tested their activation counting mechanism that I can easily find. In the end, perhaps Apple is at a disadvantage in this pointless 'activation' statistic because they don't report activations, but rather units sold. However, all android manufacturers I have seen only report units SHIPPED.

In addition to this, most android users I know are dissatisfied with their devices and upgrade on a schedule of about 6 months rather than 24 months like most iPhone users. This means that even if Google isn't fudging the numbers on how many times a device is counted as "activated", more cheap devices are being sold more frequently to less satisfied customers. Customers who basically love their devices for three months, then bemoan their decision to buy it, eventually doing a craigslist to get something else. When the old phones are traded and sold to other people, many believe this also counts as an "activation".

Ultimately, one does not measure the BMW three series against every sedan made in Asia and conclude since there are more Asian sedans, therefore must be a bigger success than the most highly rated, most oft recommended car in the world. You wouldn't even claim that the highest selling car, the Toyota Camry is better merely based on that one factor. You know, McDonnalds probably has the most sold burger. I guess that means Ruth's Chris should just pack it up and go home?

However, it's still good job Google, as I can think of no other open source OS that has been this widely successful. It is irrefutable that there are more devices running some version of Android than devices running some version of iOS. However, I also can't think of any other open source OS that had a business and revenue model based on advertisements and selling information about their customers to companies for a profit. I'm an old school open source guy from the mid 90s when you posted your address on a BBS good guy greg mailed you a set of black cds with Red Hat 2 and Slackware 3 on it because consumer CD burners were science fiction. So for me, Android is only free to the manufacturers and it turns me into a product Google can sell to advertisers to leverage their search monopoly. So, maybe I'm biased, but to me Google uses the term Open Source as a marketing technique and a market polarizer to give people a fairly intangible reason to prefer their OS over someone else's. Because of this, I just can't count Google's OS as a win for the true intent of Open Source, a collaboration of people who have similar problems and put secrecy aside to accomplish something together while still seeing a net positive to their business as they have lowered costs by spreading the load. Google calls that a "community based" open source product. To me, the greatest accomplishment Google can achieve with their success is to make more people and businesses think about collaborating on community Open Source projects. Who knows, maybe one day we will have an Ubuntu Phone that has no mechanism for user tracking and advertising at all. (I'd probably still get Gentoo Phone tho...)
 
Just think at its current rate Android (900k+ a day) sells more in 1 year than iphone has in 5 years. Well done Google.

Yeah well done Google. What a great business strategy it's been for them as they slowly lose complete control of their own platform, which by the way still doesn't make them as much money as iOS currently does. Not to mention the bang up job they're doing getting new OS releases into end users hands as they promised a year ago. Well done Google, there's a reason loyalty rate is half that of iOS.

I'd also like to point out that you are comparing a device with an OS. iOS is a bit bigger than just the iPhone; there are 3 other devices running the OS: iPod touch, AppleTV and the iPad. Other than the iPod touch, these devices almost double in sales every year.

Google bragging about Android device activations is like Foster Farms bragging about the world's bird population; it's just a number used for wow factor, but is meaningless to their bottom line.

Q2 2012 Apple sold over 50 million iOS devices or 550k a day; this is an actual useful statistic as it directly translates into revenue and profit for Apple.
 
RaLph

My oldest daughter still uses her original iPhone and my #2 daughter recently found the one that she had lost (in a couch).

The lost iPhone was replaced by an iPhone 4 and was passed on to my son because the AT&T coverage is so inconsistent in the region of the state where my daughter (#2) lives.

I am hoping to upgrade to the iPhone 5 whenever it arrives and replace the one active original, my 3G, my son's 4 and add daughter #2 back on the phone plan.

We still have the unlimited data plan even though it is underutilized. If I am not pleased with the AT&T plan options at the time of the iPhone 5 update, I might change carriers.

Anyway, I sure am glad that with the iPhone I can have my cake and eat it too and still have my cake.
 
The original iPhone was my first cell phone; purchased it on launch day! Kept going with every iPhone iteration on launch day. :apple:
 
I remember being a Nokia fan at the time with my N95. And i was ******** all over the iPhone at the time for its camera, speakers, lack of 3G etc...

But when i got to hold one and interact with it, i changed my mind instantly and got one :D
 
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