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2) iphone isnt "out of the box", not from already many years...
ohhhh I don’t know about that. I think this is a non iPhone user speaking.

Scenario 1: I get a new iPhone, I open the box. I place it next to my old iPhone. A data transfer occurs. My old iPhone is now my new iPhone.
Scenario 2: I get my first iPhone. I turn it on. Ready to go, even grandma styleee!

Android is really quite far from that. It’s close in some aspects, but it’s honestly not in the same ball park. ‘Out of the box’ I’m referring to, as per the op.
 
Whoa! All the folks who day in and day come here to complain about Apple and its business practices should be jumping all over this opportunity.

Voting with your wallet has never been easier to send Apple a strong message!

Wonder how many will actually muster up some courage and step up?
It's a good thing that we complain, we are after all Apple customers most of us, and nothing's perfect, right?

Just because I question something Apple related doesn't mean I have to jump ship. Hell if I did that with all things in life I disagree on, I'd have a full time job jumping ships (and complaining the hell out of the crowded harbours! :)).

I get what you mean of course - sure there are a lot of people here who maybe just should try Android, but there are people who always complain, loudly, over everything. Anybody recognize a person they've met (hopefully not in the mirror) who never ever is satisfied with anything and think that everybody's against them? Yep, though so. They're on here too. :)

For the rest of us, being a critic, trying to get the most out of the products we use and/or love, is a good thing. Apple do listen sometimes you know. :)

Apple would NEVER let the ports back on the Macbooks if people didn't complain. Never. Not until they saw sales dipping, maybe then. But the Macbooks sold like hot cakes for years with a lousy keyboard and too few ports. We all adopted the adapter, Satechi et al made a frikkin fortune selling dongles.

Complain, constructively, please!. In the end, if Apple does something I really can't accept, then I'll happily vote with my wallet. But not without complaining.
 
It's a good thing that we complain, we are after all Apple customers most of us, and nothing's perfect, right?

Just because I question something Apple related doesn't mean I have to jump ship. Hell if I did that with all things in life I disagree on, I'd have a full time job jumping ships (and complaining the hell out of the crowded harbours! :)).

I get what you mean of course - sure there are a lot of people here who maybe just should try Android, but there are people who always complain, loudly, over everything. Anybody recognize a person they've met (hopefully not in the mirror) who never ever is satisfied with anything and think that everybody's against them? Yep, though so. They're on here too. :)

For the rest of us, being a critic, trying to get the most out of the products we use and/or love, is a good thing. Apple do listen sometimes you know. :)

Apple would NEVER let the ports back on the Macbooks if people didn't complain. Never. Not until they saw sales dipping, maybe then. But the Macbooks sold like hot cakes for years with a lousy keyboard and too few ports. We all adopted the adapter, Satechi et al made a frikkin fortune selling dongles.

Complain, constructively, please!. In the end, if Apple does something I really can't accept, then I'll happily vote with my wallet. But not without complaining.
And I’m still pissed off that I have lost a TB4 port in exchange for a pointless hdmi port and a pointless sd card reader, let alone the addition of a further charging port. Utterly pointless waste of space considering usbc/tb4 can convert to what you like.
Swapping multi use ports for simgle use ports is so backwards it’s ridiculous. Adding a dedicated charging port when all the ports charge anyway is bordering laughable.

So thanks for complaining, I guess.
 
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I’m amazed by the vitriol that always comes up towards Android in these kinds of articles. I’m only recently back on iPhone after having been on Android for five years, but that was the best phone I’ve ever owned. It was a Nexus 6P (the precursor to the Pixel line for those who don’t know).

I’ve never tried Samsung or any other manufacturers’ phones. Maybe their phones are that bad. I don’t know. But I urge people to give the Pixel line a shot and then make a decision. I reckon most people that “hate” Android have never even had a phone that runs it. Or they had a cheap phone where the problem was the hardware. Reminds me of Windows. A lot of people hate Windows, but it’s because they used it on a $200 laptop.
Yep... It's funny how really, the religious computer wars have died down and been replaced with these religious smartphone wars. Every time I'm around a group where someone talks about getting their new phone, it turns into this whole "Are you an Android user or one of those iPhone people?" question and debate.

I've used both and prefer the iPhone because I switched to Macs as my primary computers at home, ever since 2001-2002. But if I didn't have a Mac ecosystem that's been built out over all these years (including marrying a woman who worked in Apple retail for years and was also a Mac user), I might well prefer Android instead.

These days, any smartphone you spend around $1000 on is gong to be a darn good phone. You'll get great photos and video, it'll be fast enough, and there's not much you can think of that it won't be able to do. Half the features people bring up as reasons they "hate iPhones" wind up copied by companies like Samsung and then they've got to backpedal. And most of the reasons people try to convince me Android is superior don't make a lot of sense to me either? (Oh, you have the ability to expand your storage with SD cards? Yeah, cool -- except I've seen some new Android phones that got rid of those now. And you can buy adapters for iPhones to add external storage via the Lightning connector too, if it's such a "must have".)
 
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ohhhh I don’t know about that. I think this is a non iPhone user speaking.

Scenario 1: I get a new iPhone, I open the box. I place it next to my old iPhone. A data transfer occurs. My old iPhone is now my new iPhone.
Scenario 2: I get my first iPhone. I turn it on. Ready to go, even grandma styleee!

Android is really quite far from that. It’s close in some aspects, but it’s honestly not in the same ball park. ‘Out of the box’ I’m referring to, as per the op.

Scenario 1: did it only 1, maybe 2, when i lost iphone and i immediately bought another identical. If i get a new model instead, i place both iphones side by side and copy settings manually. in this way, first of all i have a clean install. i'm not sure what is copied during the settings migration, other than mere settings. and second, i notice in this way which new settings/feature are available in the new phone, and which are gone

Scenario 2: Yes, if u re total noob that lives alone or with other noobs... I doubt that someone in this forum, uses an out of the box iphone without tweaking anything. I mean, if you are in a forum such this it means that you're, at least little, geek. Anyway, such out of the box usage its possible even on android...
 
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And I’m still pissed off that I have lost a TB4 port in exchange for a pointless hdmi port and a pointless sd card reader, let alone the addition of a further charging port. Utterly pointless waste of space considering usbc/tb4 can convert to what you like.
Swapping multi use ports for simgle use ports is so backwards it’s ridiculous. Adding a dedicated charging port when all the ports charge anyway is bordering laughable.

So thanks for complaining.
Can't win them all. Regarding the ports, I actually did not complain, it was fine for me. But I'm really glad that the SD-card slot is back now that I bought a new camera, and to have Magsafe AND still use usb-pd charging is a good thing IMO. At home I use the Magsafe cable, when out traveling I use whatever usb-c cable and charger I keep in my bag. Generally I agree, single use ports is a bit silly these days, but having both charging options is all of the two worlds! The hated Magsafe-in-bed-disconnect-because-soft-bedsheets is over, just use a usb-c cable. The hated Macbook-flying-through-the-air-because-my-cat is also over, just use the Magsafe cable.

The HDMI-port I wont need often, my MBP is my personal machine and HDMI is an office/presentation port these days. HDMI is not a "pro" port in that sense, that would have to be a DisplayPort. HDMI is the VGA of todays business world, and probably will be for a decade or two. I'd LOVE HDMI on my work M1 Air though, but I have droves of dongles still so it's a non-issue.

And to be honest, both you and me know that the most Macbook Pro users are happier with the current machines, right?
 
Scenario 1: did it only 1, maybe 2, when i lost iphone and i immediately bought another identical. If i get a new model instead, i place both iphones side by side and copy settings manually. in this way, first of all i have a clean install. i'm not sure what is copied during the settings migration, other than mere settings. and second, i notice in this way which new settings/feature are available in the new phone, and which are gone

Scenario 2: Yes, if u re total noob that lives alone or with other noobs... I doubt that someone in this forum, uses an out of the box iphone without tweaking anything. I mean, if you are in a forum such this it means that you're, at least little, geek. Anyway, such out of the box usage its possible even on android...
Well number two is part of what the iPhone does better than android. My 2 year old son can operate it. So can his 95 year old grandma.

Not sure what you’re talking about for the first point though. If you have lost your phone then you must rely on a back up. If you don’t have one then yes it’s lost.
But if I have my old phone, it’s a very simple wire free secure transfer. Snap a pic of the snazzy graphic, wait a couple of minutes. All done. Wifi, apps, settings, nothing is different on your new phone.

I think (imo) ‘clean install’ is a redundant concept these days, even with macos - certainly with iOS.
 
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I’m amazed by the vitriol that always comes up towards Android in these kinds of articles. I’m only recently back on iPhone after having been on Android for five years, but that was the best phone I’ve ever owned. It was a Nexus 6P (the precursor to the Pixel line for those who don’t know).

I’ve never tried Samsung or any other manufacturers’ phones. Maybe their phones are that bad. I don’t know. But I urge people to give the Pixel line a shot and then make a decision. I reckon most people that “hate” Android have never even had a phone that runs it. Or they had a cheap phone where the problem was the hardware. Reminds me of Windows. A lot of people hate Windows, but it’s because they used it on a $200 laptop.
I purchased a Pixel 6 Pro twice a few months apart. I bought the second one thinking things would get better as time went on. It was a horrible experience. Not necessarily Android but the phone itself. Lots of bugs, the fingerprint scanner was horrible. I lost the ability to make calls and text people routinely. Google Assistant would barely work on the phone and if I put it on a wireless charger the Assistant would never activate. The screen would stop turning on upon picking up the device or touching the screen. I had to use the power button. I am sure Google is slowly fixing these issues with updates but from reading forums there still seem to be many issues. I will stick with my iPhone. Sure it has some problems occasionally but it is generally very reliable. Nothing like the horrible experience I had with the Pixel. Never again.
 
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And to be honest, both you and me know that the most Macbook Pro users are happier with the current machines, right?
I can’t answer for most, but no not really for me. I love the processing power of the things. They’re amazing machines. But gimped like the old days with ports I can’t or don’t need to use. There’s no excuse to swap out a port that can do anything and add in single use ports. None. I’m not chucking it in the bin, but it’s a weird mix of extreme advancements mixed with agressive regressions. IMO. Obvs.
 
you know there is no difference. using an android phone or an Apple Phone.

So Give all your money to Tim Cook and Apple.

Mine stays in my savings account.
Which means ? Did you decide to not buy a smart phone this year, neither did you last year and the year before ? Then indeed your money remains your. Other you sent it to a big corporation of your choice.
 
you know there is no difference. using an android phone or an Apple Phone.

So Give all your money to Tim Cook and Apple.

Mine stays in my savings account.
So you don’t buy things cos of what reasons? Giving your money? Well I don’t know what to say. That’s the essence of buying something. You’re right, keeping it in your savings account means you get nothing but a few p interest a year. Dont be fooled though. People with far bigger agendas and with far more shadowy intent than Mr. Cook are using your money for profit whilst it’s sitting there in you account. Much much more than the measly few pence you’re making per year with interest.
 
Well, that is something I won't be doing. I've only recently moved from Android because I was fed up with phones only offering one or two major versions of Android. At least with iPhones, you know Apple will update iOS for five years or similar.

Why does a placebo iOS version number matter when you still can't place icons anywhere on home screen for accessibility, can't download/run emulators, can't split screen multitask, don't have pen input, can't do in-app updates in the background, don't have native calculator app, lacking in smarts, etc.?
 
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Why does a placebo iOS version number matter when you still can't place icons anywhere on home screen for accessibility, can't download/run emulators, can't split screen multitask, don't have pen input, can't do in-app updates in the background, don't have native calculator app, etc.?
Aside from your obvious lack of knowledge (iOS has a native calculator app) - your points are valid for some people’s use cases. Not sure how many are crying out for most. The biggest - background updates - is being addressed with the newest iOS I believe.
 
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Well number two is part of what the iPhone does better than android. My 2 year old son can operate it. So can his 95 year old grandma.

Not sure what you’re talking about for the first point though. If you have lost your phone then you must rely on a back up. If you don’t have one then yes it’s lost.
But if I have my old phone, it’s a very simple wire free secure transfer. Snap a pic of the snazzy graphic, wait a couple of minutes. All done. Wifi, apps, settings, nothing is different on your new phone.

I think (imo) ‘clean install’ is a redundant concept these days, even with macos - certainly with iOS.

1) i meant that when i lost iphone, i used backup on another identical (used) iphone just for not wasting time. i consider restoring from backup and/or migrating settings as "dirty" installs so i use it in very rare cases, like that one above. Never with a new device (phone, pc, everything)

2) This is very subjective. My mom had androids for years, then, finally, i convinced her to get an iphone. Now its about one year she has it and every time says that next phone will be an android, again. BTW i bet my mom it's more noob than your 2 years old son :)
 
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1) i meant that when i lost iphone, i used backup on another identical (used) iphone just for not wasting time. i consider restoring from backup and/or migrating settings as "dirty" installs so i use it in very rare cases, like that one above. Never with a new device (phone, pc, everything)

2) This is very subjective. My mom had androids for years, then, finally, i convinced her to get an iphone. Now its about one year she has it and every time says that next phone will be an android, again. BTW i bet my mom it's more noob than your 2 years old son :)
Ymmv, as ever.
 
Aside from your obvious lack of knowledge (iOS has a native calculator app) - your points are valid for some people’s use cases. Not sure how many are crying out for most. The biggest - background updates - is being addressed with the newest iOS I believe.

On M1 iPad Pro with no native calculator app so fragmented experience. Either put it on both or remove it from both. Background Update API promise but yet to be delivered because I pushed for it while fanboys have been apologizing for not needing it. Only two decades late after Android but better than nothing.
 
I’m amazed by the vitriol that always comes up towards Android in these kinds of articles. I’m only recently back on iPhone after having been on Android for five years, but that was the best phone I’ve ever owned. It was a Nexus 6P (the precursor to the Pixel line for those who don’t know).

I’ve never tried Samsung or any other manufacturers’ phones. Maybe their phones are that bad. I don’t know. But I urge people to give the Pixel line a shot and then make a decision. I reckon most people that “hate” Android have never even had a phone that runs it. Or they had a cheap phone where the problem was the hardware. Reminds me of Windows. A lot of people hate Windows, but it’s because they used it on a $200 laptop.
I had a 6P too but that was a different time. That era is over. Also it didn't last very long, started doing the early shutdown thing and eventually became too unstable to use regularly. Had a Samsung Galaxy S5 that was instant regret. Went back to iPhone because you just cannot get a true flagship phone on Android, they don't exist. Sure they're fine for a year or so but then the problems stack up and the support drops out.

The only thing I truly miss is being able to PUT MY ICONS WHERE I WANT THEM FFS MAKE IT HAPPEN HAIR FORCE ONE

Oh yeah got distracted but meant to say yes I agree with you about Windows, that's why most people think Macs are too expensive, but at least I can build or buy a good Windows PC (as good as it can be with Windows on it, anyway.) Just can't do that for Android.
 


Apple has its own Move to iOS app for Android devices, which is the counterpart to Google's app. Designed for Android switchers, it allows for the transfer of messages, contacts, calendar events, photos, and more.
This might be unpopular. But this kind of interoperability between OSes can only be a good thing for the consumer when switching between iOS and Android or vice versa.
 
On M1 iPad Pro with no native calculator app so fragmented experience. Either put it on both or remove it from both. Background Update API promise but yet to be delivered because I pushed for it while fanboys have been apologizing for not needing it.
That’s not iOS. That’s a different OS. That’s like complaining that iOS doesn’t have FCP. Or that perhaps Linux doesn’t have Photoshop. You can very easily calculate using spotlight on iPadOS, you get one of a multitude of calculator apps on the AppStore. My favourite on iOS or iPadOS is pCalc. It’s on macOS too but I don’t use it there, still - It’s excellent and very much betters apples native option in every way. Try it instead of worrying about it.

The other thing: it’s in beta, so wait for the release.
‘You’ pushing for it and … oh hold one. Fanboy is mentioned… apologist is implied - you’re not a serious poster you’re just looking for validation or war. Not interested in egotistical anti ‘whoever’ banter. Have a nice evening.
 
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I'm going back to Android so I can have my apps automatically order alphabetically without having to reset my home screen every time I download a new app!
 
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