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Even when it comes to California, I probably won't use it. I don't need to give cops or the TSA my phone.
If you're handing them your phone, you're doing it wrong. Everywhere I've heard of this being implemented, it displays like any other card in the Apple Wallet, after Face ID / Touch ID authentication, but without unlocking your phone itself, and they read the license either via NFC or QR code, or by reading the screen. In at least some places, they're not allowed to touch the phone.
 
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hear me out.

During a traffic stop, you pop your phone out to show the cop your license. They take the phone to their car computer and, while it’s unlocked, they connect to it and download your information. They find references to drugs. They arrest you.

Dystopian future or possible reality? Just playing Devil’s Advocate. I don’t think this would play out, but is it worth giving them the opportunity?

I probably won’t add my license to my phone.
No, it's a depressingly popular opinion, that is ENTIRELY WRONG.

They're not allowed to take it back to their car, they have to read the information off the screen while you hold the phone (either via NFC or QR code or just visually reading the info), and the card is in Apple Wallet, so you had to authenticate via Face ID or Touch ID to bring it up, but your phone is not unlocked - even if they took it back to their car, they can't download a damn thing, no snooping around looking for drug references. They can't arrest you, but if they grab your phone and carry it away, you can press charges against them.

Stop spreading misinformation!
 
I'm genuinely surprised that there's not even a hint that California is working on allowing this. You'd think the tech capital of the world would be jumping all over this, especially since we just approved the ePlates for cars...
We also approved essentially decal/sticker plates too! ‘Peel-n-stick’ a decal to your automobile. Come on California, give us at least a public beta of the ID
 
Can you use it for all things ID required? My worry is if you get pulled over speeding a little, they ask for license and registration, do you now need to hand over your iPhone, which they take back to their police car? Hell no if thats the case. Not all Police dept's have devices that can break into your phone, but the ones that do don't talk about it.
In many of the places this has been implemented, they're prohibited from touching your phone. You don't hand it over to them. You authenticate to Apple Wallet and bring up your ID, your phone is not unlocked, you hold the phone up, they either use a NFC / QR scanner, or they just read the information off your screen.
 
It is cool looking, but I strongly suspect that's done to make it much harder for someone to, say, take a screenshot of the license displayed in Apple Wallet on their friend's phone and then use the screenshot displayed on their phone to get into bars (or buy booze) when they're underage (or similar nefarious activities).
Yes. That’s exactly the function of the animation: security. That + NFC makes it reeeeally difficult to counterfeit.
 
Have had my New South Wales licence in the app for years and it makes life so much easier. I really hope they make the move to the wallet as well.
 
Added card last night and flying thru DEN right now. The scanners aren’t at the South Checkpoint, only North. When I went thru the officer was slightly confused and said I’m the first person to use it since it just went live last night. Overall pretty easy! Literally just have to scan your ID on the reader, they take a verification photo, and that’s it. No need to even scan your boarding pass.
 
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This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hear me out.

During a traffic stop, you pop your phone out to show the cop your license. They take the phone to their car computer and, while it’s unlocked, they connect to it and download your information. They find references to drugs. They arrest you.

Dystopian future or possible reality? Just playing Devil’s Advocate. I don’t think this would play out, but is it worth giving them the opportunity?

I probably won’t add my license to my phone.

Firstly that's not how it works, I think you've been watching too many tv shows lol

Secondly, if someone is involved in illegal activities and document them on their phone, probably not a good idea to even bother with this.. Just stick to the old school license and stay off the grid as much as possible.
 
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They already had that in mind. It works with your phone still being locked, like Apple Pay. You don't have to unlock your phone to use it.
This is good info and needs to be marketed. Makes sense and alleviate the distrust.
 
Maybe it could be an unpopular opinion because it’s wrong? YOU DO NOT GIVE YOUR PHONE TO THEM.
It was a forum query… A mental exercise. That’s all.

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Firstly that's not how it works, I think you've been watching too many tv shows lol

Secondly, if someone is involved in illegal activities and document them on their phone, probably not a good idea to even bother with this.. Just stick to the old school license and stay off the grid as much as possible.
I was just posing a possible scenario. My phone never leaves my person, not even for my kids use, so it’s a non-issue for me. But I even said I was playing Devil’s Advocate so it was just for discussion. Not a witch hunt. It is nice to know the phone doesn’t need to be unlocked to use the feature.
 
No, it's a depressingly popular opinion, that is ENTIRELY WRONG.

They're not allowed to take it back to their car, they have to read the information off the screen while you hold the phone (either via NFC or QR code or just visually reading the info), and the card is in Apple Wallet, so you had to authenticate via Face ID or Touch ID to bring it up, but your phone is not unlocked - even if they took it back to their car, they can't download a damn thing, no snooping around looking for drug references. They can't arrest you, but if they grab your phone and carry it away, you can press charges against them.

Stop spreading misinformation!
Not spreading any misinformation. Just posing a question for discussion. This feature needs proper marketing so people less tech savvy than MR readers understand how it works. Again, polite discussion leads to better understanding. Something woefully missing from our society.
 
Are the other states confirms and verified? Or is this just based on the initial announcement? Some states were missing from future announcements and it's not confirms if they're still working on it.
 
Good luck with that. Here in Arizona we have had Digital ID for months, but I have gone through the signup procedure in the Wallet app on two separate occasions and heard nothing for the Motor Vehicle Department.
It’s just a notification on iPhone itself. There’s no official communication. Which makes me even more wary of depending on this as an ID source.
 
If you’re in the developer seed or public betas of 16.2, doesn’t seem to show as an option yet. My wife on a GM release got it, but on my dev seed, it doesn’t show.
 
The Department of Revenue says that the Wallet ID is designed to be a companion to the physical driver's license or ID, and it is not a replacement. Coloradans must continue to carry their physical driver license or ID with them, and the Wallet ID can only be used at airports.
Well why the hell can't it be used in more places than the airport? The myColorado app can be used as a substitute for your ID in any legal setting. I was really looking forward to ditching that app, but it sure sounds like that's not happening any time soon.
Wooohoo finally! delete Colorado app!
Nope! This can literally only be used at the airport. Any place else will reject it.
You should absolutely never hand your phone over to anyone (I mean, beyond a friend or relative, depending on how much you trust them). In at least some of the states, the laws are written so that law enforcement is not allowed to touch the phone. They get what they need by either NFC or QR code, or by simply reading the information off the screen while you hold the phone (think of it as a self-lit drivers license at that point, no need for a flashlight).

Eventually, we'll likely get to the point where they're accepted for proof of age for getting into clubs or buying alcohol, and it'll be the same deal. In all of those cases (cop / cashier / bouncer / etc), if they reach for your phone, the appropriate response is some situation-specific version of "do not touch!", and if they quibble, have them call their manager - don't hand the phone to any of them.

You'll find a contingent on this forum who keep spinning scenarios of cops who they insist will say, "oh, my scanner is broken, I need to take your phone back to my cruiser", and the answer is still, "no, sorry, you need to get your supervisor or another officer here with a working scanner out here, I will not surrender my phone to you" (if they persist, follow up with, "I need to get your badge number and name for the report I'll be filing").

In any case, the license displays in Apple Wallet without unlocking the phone itself, just like a credit card. Most of the what-if scenarios involve an officer carrying your unlocked phone back to their cruiser and poking around it in - even if they took your phone, that's not possible, unless they force you to unlock it first. At which point, they're clearly breaking the law. I mean, if you buy into that scenario, why not just have them shoot you, too - they have the gun right there.
Don't worry. In this case the cop will say "I can't do anything with that, give me your actual ID."
Firstly that's not how it works, I think you've been watching too many tv shows lol

Secondly, if someone is involved in illegal activities and document them on their phone, probably not a good idea to even bother with this.. Just stick to the old school license and stay off the grid as much as possible.
What about activities that are legal in one state and illegal in another? Things like, I don't know, exercising your reproductive rights? If some certain politicians have their way taking advantage of certain forms of contraception would become illegal. A woman who decided to get an IUD 3 years ago, when it was perfectly legal to do, could become a criminal overnight.
 
Works great in CO. Signed up yesterday and the state approved it same day. The big question is if it will work when traveling.
 
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