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Android phones are a clunky mess. The only people that will say they are better then iphones are only saying that because they are locked into a contract and are trying to convince themselves :p

Wrong. I am not locked into AT&T or Verizon (yet) and I am leaving the iPhone for the Droid X. Try again.
 
Android phones are a clunky mess. The only people that will say they are better then iphones are only saying that because they are locked into a contract and are trying to convince themselves :p

another wrong on that assessment post.

I had a Nexus One while "locked" into my AT&T contract. Now that I'm no longer on AT&T and VZW, I'm using a Droid X. So I had the opportunity and ability to get an iPhone, in fact I'm a former iPhone user who now uses an android based phone that is neither clunky nor a mess.
 
All people know is Apple and the iPhone and I want the iPhone but can't afford it, give me something that is like the iPhone.

I don't understand this thinking around here. How exactly are Android phones like the Motorola Droid X or Droid 2, HTC Droid Incredible or HTC Evo 4G, any easier to afford then the iPhone?

They are all priced about the same and the service plans are about the same price.

So could you please explain how the Android phones are so much more affordable then the iPhone? Providing a chart with overall costs including device and service cost over a contract would go a long way in proving your theory that people resort to Android phones because they cannot afford an iPhone.
 
So could you please explain how the Android phones are so much more affordable then the iPhone? Providing a chart with overall costs including device and service cost over a contract would go a long way in proving your theory that people resort to Android phones because they cannot afford an iPhone.

http://gizmodo.com/5617051/dealzmodo-t+mobiles-samsung-vibrant-for-1-cent

When has the latest iPhone ever been 1 cent only a month after its release? Bargain bin phones.
 
You do realize there's more to owning a smartphone than just the hardware, right? Just because someone only pays $0.01 for the hardware doesn't mean that's all they pay.

I mean, come on. :rolleyes:

So you don't realize that a 1 cent initial investment makes something more affordable? :rolleyes:
 
http://gizmodo.com/5617051/dealzmodo-t+mobiles-samsung-vibrant-for-1-cent

When has the latest iPhone ever been 1 cent only a month after its release? Bargain bin phones.

The best selling Android phones are not 1 cent. I can't seem to find the Droid X, Incredible, D2 or Evo selling for 1 cent. If you can please provide a link.

Also the initial hardware cost has little effect on the overall cost of owning a smartphone. In some cases certain models of Android phones might be discounted, but I doubt anyone who cannot afford an iPhone is going to be able to afford the data service required on an Android phone.

It is all about the cost of hardware and service. I'm still waiting for someone to provide me the information that says only rich people can afford an iPhone and poor people can only afford an Android phone. I guess if owning an iPhone makes you feel like you are in some sort of an elite class then more power to you and your self image. I don't think the phone you carry says much about your social status when a smartphone is a smartphone when it comes to cost of ownership.

Look at this chart and the please explain why people are buying Android phones because they are so much cheaper???
iphone4-evo4g-incredible-thumb.jpg
 
The best selling Android phones are not 1 cent.


Best selling android phones in Q2 (most recent report... the one android fans used as flame bait to brag that android outsold iOS): HTC DROID Incredible, HTC EVO 4G, HTC Hero, and HTC DROID Eris: http://www.htcsource.com/2010/08/fo...selling-android-phones-in-q2-are-made-by-htc/

HTC Hero: 1 cent
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Hero-Android-Phone-Sprint/dp/B0031MA0UO

HTC Droid Eris: $99 on contract when first released (offered for free soon after)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...vsWgDQ&usg=AFQjCNG7mj-RF9Xhjjk_jNA_ISSWB85N_Q

HTC Droid Incredible: $99 on contract
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-INCREDIBLE-Android-Verizon-Wireless/dp/B003HC8NUW

Oh and the #1 selling android phone: Motorolla Droid... 1 cent
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-A855-Android-Verizon-Wireless/dp/B002UUTCKC
 
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Best selling android phones in Q2 (most recent report... the one android fans used as flame bait to brag that android outsold iOS): HTC DROID Incredible, HTC EVO 4G, HTC Hero, and HTC DROID Eris: http://www.htcsource.com/2010/08/fo...selling-android-phones-in-q2-are-made-by-htc/

HTC Hero: 1 cent
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Hero-Android-Phone-Sprint/dp/B0031MA0UO

HTC Droid Erix: $99 on contract when first released (offered for free soon after)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...vsWgDQ&usg=AFQjCNG7mj-RF9Xhjjk_jNA_ISSWB85N_Q

HTC Droid Incredible: $99 on contract
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-INCREDIBLE-Android-Verizon-Wireless/dp/B003HC8NUW

Those phones (except for the Incredible) are about as old as the iPhone 3GS... which I can also buy for $99 with contract.

Owning an iPhone doesn't put you in some different socioeconomic class.
 
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Those phones (except for the Incredible) are about as old as the iPhone 3GS... which I can also buy for $99 with contract.

Owning an iPhone doesn't put you in some different socioeconomic class.

You said "The best selling android phones aren't 1 cent." The top selling one in the most recent fiscal quarter is, as is another in the top 5. That was the point.
 
You said "The best selling android phones aren't 1 cent." The top selling one is, as is another in the top 5. That was the point.

Ok well then I will agree with you. iPhone ownership costs are extremely high and Android ownership costs are much less. That makes Android a much better value for your money. Thanks for letting me know I made the right choice when it comes to my money.
 
Ok well then I will agree with you. iPhone ownership costs are extremely high and Android ownership costs are much less. That makes Android a much better value for your money. Thanks for letting me know I made the right choice when it comes to my money.

No prob :D
 
I have been using a Google Nexus One w/ Froyo on AT&T for a few months now and I guess I would be excited about it if I was coming from Symbian, WinMo or a BlackBerry... but coming from an iPhone 3G... I don't really get why people like this phone OS so much. The Google Voice integration is "nice", but VoiceCentral for the iPhone is just as good as the (now defunct) native GV iPhone app. The usability is mostly mediocre, the app store sucks donkey genitals (SEXY HOT ASIAN WALLPAPERZ), the multimedia capabilities are sub-par (at best), I can't search my Exchange email inbox (yes, I can't search my email on a ***** Google phone) and (at least for me) there just aren't any killer apps to speak of over and above the iPhone other than free-tethering that makes the whole "open" mantra stick (and of course "open" goes out the door if you get a carrier-locked phone loaded with crapware).

I would never, ever consider a carrier-locked Android phone. At least with Apple and AT&T, you know who wears the pants in that relationship.
 
Just to clear things up... Google develops the Open Source Android OS.

Handset manufacturers, usually along with the carriers since it does have to support their network, develop branches of the Android OS that support the specific hardware and network.

When Google said 2.2 was final, that didn't mean that every manufacturer supported it. It just means the OS Source is final. At this point every handset manufacturer can pull down the final version of the source (they probably already have been working with pre-release versions of the code) and then finalize their changes and put it through testing to verify their branch is stable. The heaviest modifications they make are to the kernel to support drivers for their hardware and network. When the manufacturer has a stable release they push it to the Carrier and the Carrier sends it out to the phones over the air. Shortly after this the manufacturer is required to release the kernel source as part of the GPL agreement.

Most Android phones get at least 1-2 major updates (outside of bug fixes). Every device supported is more kernel dev time, so eventually a device will no longer be supported (iPhone 2G is not anymore either).

This is the point when the OS being Open Source comes in handy. With the latest Kernel source and Android source, it's possible for the community to build what is called ASOP (Android Open Source Project) builds. These are totally community developed and contain no proprietary code and 100% Open Source using the latest code from Google.

So that's the process. It sounds complicated but you have to look at it from a consumers point of view and it's far simpler. You wait around, probably not even reading the news on Android development. Eventually you get an email from your carrier telling you about some new update and then it pops up on your phone. Done. The more tech savvy lurk around XDA-Developers forum and pull in the latest modified versions of the OS (I'm running an ASOP build with the latest of everything).

I have been using a Google Nexus One w/ Froyo on AT&T for a few months now and I guess I would be excited about it if I was coming from Symbian, WinMo or a BlackBerry... but coming from an iPhone 3G... I don't really get why people like this phone OS so much. The Google Voice integration is "nice", but VoiceCentral for the iPhone is just as good as the (now defunct) native GV iPhone app. The usability is mostly mediocre, the app store sucks donkey genitals (SEXY HOT ASIAN WALLPAPERZ), the multimedia capabilities are sub-par (at best), I can't search my Exchange email inbox (yes, I can't search my email on a ***** Google phone) and (at least for me) there just aren't any killer apps to speak of over and above the iPhone other than free-tethering that makes the whole "open" mantra stick (and of course "open" goes out the door if you get a carrier-locked phone loaded with crapware).

I would never, ever consider a carrier-locked Android phone. At least with Apple and AT&T, you know who wears the pants in that relationship.

Ok... Few things here... Native GV for Android is FAR better than the iPhone app! You kidding me? I used both and it's far more convenient having all yoru GV SMS and Voicemail in a unified inbox for you to read as well as making the default dialer use GV for all your SMS and Calls.

Next, I can search just fine in Gmail... I thought it was there for all Froyo versions, but maybe just the latest.

As for locked phones... The only devices that can't install 3rd party applications that aren't in a locked-down version of the market are phones sold by At&t. That's what Rooting your phone is for.

Coming from an iPhone 3G to the EVO I was VERY impressed with how smooth everything ran and how much I could do on the device. Especially since I installed iOS4 on it and it became dog-slow.
 
Where's the uproar and hysterics over this???? :cool:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/203891/

I love my iPhone but really who cares about this battle between the platforms and one showing up the other. If you like what you have who cares if the other does well or flops. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about bad news one way or the other on a device they don't have to begin with.
 
I love my iPhone but really who cares about this battle between the platforms and one showing up the other. If you like what you have who cares if the other does well or flops. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about bad news one way or the other on a device they don't have to begin with.

^This. Actually doing things with either OS is far more similar than most here want to acknowledge. Arguing over the edge cases where one may have some small advantage is not going to convince anybody to switch.
Frankly, once people have committed to one OS in both understanding the UI and in purchased apps, it's takes a lot more to make them switch then just being as good or even a bit better.
 
I haven't played with an Incredible or Droid X yet, but I think the Vibrant is the fastest, most powerful android phone out... and the nicest screen on any mobile phone out today.

The iphone4 has excellent sharpness/resolution, but its ips screen looks muted or more dull when compared side by side with a Vibrant.

I have a vibrant, my roomate has an iphone4. We compare them often.
 
if you decide to go with Android, stay away from the Droid2. I'm currently using one since I'm working from an area with no ATT reception and this thing can barely hold a signal. It constantly drops and will fluctuate from full bars to zero just sitting on the desk. Also it constantly drops from 3G to 1X all the time. My colleagues with other verizon phones have full signal and never drop calls. I should have requested a blackberry.
The curious thing is that Verizon hasn't acknowledged that anything is wrong with this phone. All you have to do is google droid2 reception to see it's widespread. I guess Apple is just an easy target when it comes to the press.
 
if you decide to go with Android, stay away from the Droid2. I'm currently using one since I'm working from an area with no ATT reception and this thing can barely hold a signal. It constantly drops and will fluctuate from full bars to zero just sitting on the desk. Also it constantly drops from 3G to 1X all the time. My colleagues with other verizon phones have full signal and never drop calls. I should have requested a blackberry.
The curious thing is that Verizon hasn't acknowledged that anything is wrong with this phone. All you have to do is google droid2 reception to see it's widespread. I guess Apple is just an easy target when it comes to the press.

Verizon wouldn't be the one making any comment. It would be Motorola. And perhaps they haven't made a statement yet because they're working on a fix or haven't determined what the actual cause is yet.

The difference between Motorola and Apple (and there are many) in this scenario is that Apple came out immediately and said it was a non issue. That's stating clearly that there's no problem. Then they came out and said - well yes - it is a problem - but other phones have the same problem.

If Apple had NOT said "non issue" initially - I doubt there would have been the same media circus. I'm sure if they waited and then made a more appropriate statement - it would have been much calmer.

Look at the proximity sensor issue. They said they are aware (after a long time of people complaining) and said there's a fix on the way. Even though it's been a while since that statement - you don't see the media going crazy over it.
 
Where's the uproar and hysterics over this???? :cool:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/203891/

The problems with Android 2.2 are exclusively software-based, and it doesn't have a sterling reputation with borderline cultlike followers. Of *course* Apple's going to make a more exciting target for desperate journalists fighting for relevance.

I love my iPhone but really who cares about this battle between the platforms and one showing up the other. If you like what you have who cares if the other does well or flops. I don't understand why people make such a big deal about bad news one way or the other on a device they don't have to begin with.

Often when people slap down a fat wad of cash on a purchase, they feel the need to convince themselves as well as others that they made the best possible choice. The fact that competitors exist and others disagree with their choice can be threatening to the ego, particularly in a wireless market like ours where you're basically stuck with what you've got for two years unless you want to spend insane amounts of money to get unstuck.

Obviously I agree with you. I love my iPhone 4. I loved my iPhone 3G. That doesn't mean I want to convince people who bought competitors that their phones suck, not only because I don't believe that their phones *do* suck, but also because there's really nothing to be gained from it. But I do understand this whole "my phone could beat up your phone" nonsense comes from, at least for some.
 
Often when people slap down a fat wad of cash on a purchase, they feel the need to convince themselves as well as others that they made the best possible choice. The fact that competitors exist and others disagree with their choice can be threatening to the ego, particularly in a wireless market like ours where you're basically stuck with what you've got for two years unless you want to spend insane amounts of money to get unstuck.

Obviously I agree with you. I love my iPhone 4. I loved my iPhone 3G. That doesn't mean I want to convince people who bought competitors that their phones suck, not only because I don't believe that their phones *do* suck, but also because there's really nothing to be gained from it. But I do understand this whole "my phone could beat up your phone" nonsense comes from, at least for some.

True. The sadder thing is that it even happens amongst iPhone users when it comes to color and/or jailbreaking, for example. There are a lot of egocentric people on forums.
 
I was a big supporter of Android even well before the G1 was released. I still am. One thing I like about them is there are several choices. It's like picking your favorite LOST or Star Wars character. There is ALOT of them to choose from. Like a buffet. Android might seem fragmented because of the different specs, manufacturers, custom skins, etc, but each Android phone seems to have its own sense of identity too. With iPhone, there is only like 4 of them to be compared among each other.

Go to this site - http://androidforums.com/

I remember when that site was still very empty back in Oct of 2008. Now look at the subforums and all the different models being listed. The Android army has invaded! Android has also basically resurrected Motorola (the grandfather of cell phones) from its grave.

Android went from this -

tmobile-htc-g1-1.jpg

HTC G1 on T-Mobile, October 2008

To all of these current badass phones in multiple carriers, colors, and form factors, and Android hasn't even officially turned 2-years old yet! That is less than two years and Android has improved by leaps and bounds compared to iPhone from 2007 - 2009.

htc-incredible-nexusone-moto-droid-08-SlashGear-540x264.jpg


motorola-droid-2-vs-droid-x.jpg


Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X10-family.jpg


a-galaxy-s-phone.jpg


It is like a FAMILY of badass phones with different quirks pumping Android in their hearts. Ever watch a TV show, and you love it because of all the different characters on there? Like an amazing cast like LOST or Entourage? That is what Android is to me sometimes. We get choices on what to like and dislike.

I always believed in the potential of Android and lot of it is coming into fruition sooner than I expected it to be. I don't mind some of the fragmentation and differences because they each can have their own uniqueness. It is like having a dog and preferring to own certain breeds because of personality, color, or whatnot. With iPhone, it like the same thing over and over even if we get a white version. That's cool for some folks, but like my women, I want variety. I am not always going to go for the same car manufacturer with the same color from before. I am not about picking "sides" here. It is all about seeing technology improve. That's it. Who cares about picking teams? That's what real sports are for.

If Windows can succeed among desktop space, what makes me doubt that Android can't succeed? Windows can be an UGLY and complicated OS too, and people still use it after some familiarity and getting used to.

http://www.coated.com/gartnerandroid-mobile-os-number-2-before-2011-0912201004/
Gartner: Android Mobile OS Number 2 Before 2011

The open source Google Android OS regularly receives strong praise from industry insiders, and this time the accolades come by way of Gartner, with predictions indicating that the mobile operating system will be the second most adopted OS “by year-end 2010″.

Gartner’s prediction is actually a revision of a statement from last year when it was expected that the same success was to be achieved by Android, but by 2012. Obviously, things are going much better then expected, resulting in Gartner adjusting the prediction.

If this does hold true, it will mean that Android OS will only be behind Nokia’s Symbian OS, an operating system which has been around in one form or another since the late 80s and is found on a number of handheld devices that extend across the range from low to high end. It’s important to note that Gartner’s prediction does not refer to the sales market share which is released each quarter. Rather, this prediction refers to Google Android’s true install base.

If all things remain true, it’s expected that by the year 2014, Symbian and Android combined will hold roughly 60% of the global market share and before that year has ended, Google will actually surpass Symbian.

I predict my next phone will likely be an Android by 2011 or 2012. Perhaps Meego might be too young and in beta stages next year. Considering it took the 4th gen iPhone to get it right on most of the things I wanted back in 2007, I will wait next year for the 3rd gen or 4th gen of Androids as well. Still immature like a sophomore in high school, but by senior year, it starts to reach its potential and peak.

Nothing wrong with an Android phone + iPad/iPod touch combination by 2012. You will always get to experience the best of both worlds. Android + iOS will always be there for us to enjoy them both. There is no enemies here except fanboys who try to provoke that drama. We use Google services and Apple products/software all the time nowadays.
 
Nothing wrong with an Android phone + iPad/iPod touch combination by 2012. You will always get to experience the best of both worlds. Android + iOS will always be there for us to enjoy them both. There is no enemies here except fanboys who try to provoke that drama. We use Google services and Apple products/software all the time nowadays.

I don't really agree with that. There is a tangible benefit from your go-to devices being in the same ecosystem. The cross compatibility and synchronization between the iPhone and iPad is a huge advantage. Similarly, the cloud sync of services and apps between a gingerbread tablet and droid phone will be significant.
I don't like having to do the same tasks twice, and sticking with one vendor helps minimize this.
While I do plan on picking up a Android to play with, the lack of compatibility and synchronization means that I most likely will not bother to sync my photos, music or podcasts to it. I most likely wont even setup all of my email accounts on it.
 
To the OP.

The nice thing about Android is that if Motorola is screwing stuff up then I can choose to buy a handset from:

HTC
Samsung
LG
SonyEriccson

Choice. ITS WHATS FOR DINNER!
 
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