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Do not mix the marketing message with the engineering one, and NEVER underestimate apple's keen use of "weasel words"
Actually...
lets wait until June 29 when the iPhone will be for sale, and if the phone you mentioned is for sale too, then you will be right, if not, then this is vaporware.
From your link:
W960i
Coming soon
The sleek W960i Walkman® phone impresses with its touch display and 8GB memory. You can have all the music you want - literally at your fingertips.
lets wait until June 29 when the iPhone will be for sale, and if the phone you mentioned is for sale too, then you will be right, if not, then this is vaporware.
From your link:
W960i
Coming soon
The sleek W960i Walkman® phone impresses with its touch display and 8GB memory. You can have all the music you want - literally at your fingertips.
However...please take a moment to peruse ATTs offerings...
Its not them. I have a phone from att that runs skype and a slew of other crap on it.
IEEE Computer has short article on the iPhone. They mention (1) the 2-year cost of the iPhone will be about $3000 (the initial purchase plus AT&T's service plan), and (2) the true second version will come out in about 2 years, just as all those initial contracts are expiring.
I suspect there will be a lot of intermediate software updates and minor enhancements (e.g., more memory) along the way.
Apple seems to do business better than the rest
That's right, I agree, and for sure money is always the key factor driving things, but it seems to me that these wireless carries are more interested in simply taking your money while Apple surely wants your money, but they also provide their customers with quality products and service. Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T can care less what you think and want, they own the towers so if you don't like it, use an analog line. However, AT&T has taken a risk in going with the iPhone and in so doing, they have actually begun to also take on the same principles of quality and service that Apple is known for and this will set AT&T apart from the rest.
That's right, I agree, and for sure money is always the key factor driving things, but it seems to me that these wireless carries are more interested in simply taking your money while Apple surely wants your money, but they also provide their customers with quality products and service. Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, AT&T can care less what you think and want, they own the towers so if you don't like it, use an analog line. However, AT&T has taken a risk in going with the iPhone and in so doing, they have actually begun to also take on the same principles of quality and service that Apple is known for and this will set AT&T apart from the rest.
Semantics. Most Ajax calls don't return XML either and it's still called Ajax (a rather silly acronym if you ask me, but no one did).
That said, I've never made a synchonous Ajax call -- kinda defeats the point.
There was a front-page Wall Street Journal article last week that lists numerous examples of carriers (AT&T featured prominently) blocking or impeding cellphone manufacturers from easily adding capabilities to their phones.
AIR WAR
A Fight Over What You
Can Do on a Cellphone
Handset Makers Push
Free Features for Which
Carriers Want to Charge
By JESSICA E. VASCELLARO
June 14, 2007; Page A1
You realize you are talking about a Multi-billion Dollar Multi-national corporation, and not some mom and pop operation...right? This isn't a couple of guys hand making computers in their mom's garage...that was a loooooooong time and many many billions ago
This is why most other companies would sacrifice newborns if they could to get this kind of customer loyalty...apple has put out some real lemon productions and more than a couple of half backed technologies in their day...they are far from perfect.
I know there are a lot of comments/complaints about the iPhone's web capabilities, and people do have valid complaints. But speaking for msyelf, I don't think I'll have any problems with it.
I'll use it to check the news, sports, etc. It will serve my purpose.
I'll use it to check the news, sports, etc. It will serve my purpose.
Steve Jobs has mentioned this several times, so it should be interesting to see how things play out over the next few years. Every feature AT&T lets Apple add to the iPhone (iChat anyone?) will make it hard for AT&T to refuse for other phone manufacturers.
What I really look forward to is an era where most phones are purchased unlocked, and you can buy voice and data plans from any carrier without long-term contracts. I believe Europe market is much closer to this than the US market is.
Do not mix the marketing message with the engineering one, and NEVER underestimate apple's keen use of "weasel words"
Exactly. The marketing message omits Flash, but I bet the engineers are at work on it all the same.
Same, it's really a dissapointment, I'll wait for the 2nd gen ones if I do get one.I thought I was going to be holding OSX and Safari in the palm of my hand - based on these limitations iPhone won't even be close to true web surfing with a real browser. Ouch!
I wonder when apple will change their ads to "It's not quite the internet, it's a little better then the mobile web.. it's just.. almost the internet.. on your iPhone"
Confirmation bias.
Please address the FACT that ATT sells many, MANY phones directly, and allows even more *indirectly* that support VOiP, user installable ringtones, unblocked wired and unwire filed xfers...removable storage...
ATT does not have a blanket policy that would prevent Apple from putting anything on this premium priced piece of equipment.
Do they "block" features on phones they sell at a loss? Likely. Do they block features on premium pricey phones...or even unlocked versions of the el cheapos bought from somewhere else?
Not at all.
Dude. Its Apple. Its OK, you got swept up in the "smartphone" marketing like a lot of other people...you just have to deal with it
How does this benefit Apple, who will sell *millions of the things* without it, sight unseen?
You are aware, right, that had they wished to, they could have had at least flash 7 support in the thing...right?
What is there to engineer, this great huge mountain to overcome?
Do you know anything about the history, or the portability of the flash player, both desktop and embedded?
It does not render because Safari 2 doesn't support SVG. If it renders for you it is because you have the Adobe Plugin. Under Safari 3 SVG does render because Webkit has support for SVG and the latest version of Safari builds off of this. See http://webkit.org/projects/svg/index.html. It is not the Adobe Plugin. The Adobe plugin is not in development and will likely never be updated again.
How does this benefit Apple, who will sell *millions of the things* without it, sight unseen?
You are aware, right, that had they wished to, they could have had at least flash 7 support in the thing...right?
What is there to engineer, this great huge mountain to overcome?
Do you know anything about the history, or the portability of the flash player, both desktop and embedded?
Do you know of an ARM Flash player for OS X? I think you are making some assumptions yourself
A Flash player for one OS/browser/CPU combination does not make a Flash player on another. How I wish that were so!As for the engineering task that you say is so small: Flash accepts both mouse and key input, and the iPhone handles both differently from earlier devices. And even a small engineering task can be delayed in the face of higher priorities. And Flash support involves two companies, Adobe and Apple. Delays don't surprise me. Never getting Flash in future would surprise me.
As for how Flash benefits Apple: because many web sites use it, and many people expect it.
You didn't save it as a webarchive in anticipation of this?
I didn't see this thread before it was taken down.
Bi/Ai Before iPhone / After iPhone
Regadless if the iPhone suits ALL, it will go down in history as the device that changed the age and all things will be seen as Bi/Ai.
-G
Regadless if the iPhone suits ALL, it will go down in history as the device that changed the age and all things will be seen as Bi/Ai.
-G
Do you know of an ARM Flash player for OS X? I think you are making some assumptions yourself
As for the engineering task that you say is so small: Flash accepts both mouse and key input, and the iPhone handles both differently from earlier devices. And even a small engineering task can be delayed in the face of higher priorities.
As for how Flash benefits Apple: because many web sites use it, and many people expect it.
Wishful thinking my man...wishful thinking.
Tell you what...you keep dreaming...it doesn't cost a thing.
Flash 7 for ARM for many, many, many platforms was solved *years ago* by several different companies...in linkable asm no less...you just put the calls on top for you situation. Apple is a multi-billion dollar company launching a critical product in a new space. If they *needed* flash for it to be successful, it would be there. hell they sucked engineers off their OS* onto this thing.
However, I guess it feels better to think that there must have been some kind of "mistake" or "problem" with a product of this magnitude...
heheh
*not like they did that much since last august or anything, anyway (chuckle)
Well, it's good that the guidelines for an iPhone-friendly site are public but for a large minority of sites, it would be pretty pointless as they need flash to present their information.
I, for one, rely on Flash to present my movies. Not owning a Mac, .Mov is the worst format I can export to so I naturally stick to WMV, however, most of my movies require flash and that sucks...
Looks like iphone users won't be able to visit my website! Oh well, No one visits anyway! haha.
I didn't see this thread before it was taken down.
Fair enough
I saved it as a web archive, but I'm not sure the management here wants any involvement with it so I won't go there. The synopsis here tho pretty much covers it all, but with a much better color scheme