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I would argue that's not true. The average consumer won't run a benchmark and be like "Dang - it's a few points slower!"... but they will feel the slowness everyday and it will lead to an overall impression about the phone platform.!

I would argue that the average consumer doesn’t even know what a benchmark is and would likely not care to even run one to determine the speed of their phone. You have to remember, everybody uses their phones differently for different tasks, the majority likely use the phones for banking apps, social media, gaming applications, etc. iPhones are powerful enough today where they’re not going to notice incremental increases every single year in performance. It also depends how often somebody upgrades even to recognize the potential of the speed increase of the phone they are using. For example, if someone upgradeds from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone X, clearly that will be a dramatic increase.

How many times have you watched an average person doing something on a slow phone be like "this thing is a piece of junk!". They don't know that it's the processor that is bad... they just think the whole phone is crap.

I’m not following your argument here. If somebody’s phone is getting slow, that can contribute to many different things, The processor may not be the blame at all, it could be the amount of ram the phone has as well and how are they maximizing the phone usage. They’re way too many considerations here to blame a processor for being slow.

iPhone X is _incredibly_ fast and smooth. So fast that I don't think about it. I can switch apps and open apps and play music and watch videos and a hundred other things and it just _does_ it... seemingly effortlessly. I have absolutely no complaints about the speed / smoothness of that phone!

The A11 chip is very powerful in the iPhone X. Even the A10X processor in the iPhone 7 is still incredibly powerful. iPhones in general have some of the best processors in the industry and they don’t get bogged down easily.
 
OK, please list 5 bugs that interfere with your usage on a daily basis.

Ready? Set. Go...
- Rotation bug when going from landscape to portrait.
- Unresponsive UI while using Apple Music.
- Messages bug that crashed my phone.
- Notification UI elements not aligned in the lock screen notifications.
- Random 3D touch vibrations while not using the 3D touch options at all.
 
Guess you missed those "real world" tests (like encoding 4K video) where the Note 8 gets slaughtered by the iPhone X. Even the iPhone 7 was faster.
yeah , but how many times does normal user do this on their phone???
 
Again, so what?

I code. There’s no way you’re going to convince me any serious developer is going to use a crappy underpowered phone to develop on. You’re just trying to find a use case for a garbage product.

Are you actually going to waste money on a monitor, keyboard, mouse and DEX dock and leave them lying around for the rare time someone shows up with a phone to hook up to them? What a waste of hardware and desk space.

In case you didn't know, mobile phones are getting quite fast nowdays. The S9, and iPhone X, as well as many others, actually perform equal to better than for example the base 13" 2017 macbook pro (better on the multicore, a bit lower on single core). Also, I am a developer and was developing just fine on my 2008 macbook that was like 100x slower - you don't need a video editing bleeding edge workhorse for that. A phone will handle the task just fine.

You use the phone as touchpad and keyboard, so no real use for a mouse even though it makes it more convenient, ofc. You just need a monitor. Personally I work 50% in two different towns with an overnight apartment. A monitor on each desk (home, local workplace, overnight place and remote workplace) would let me work freely without dragging along a laptop all the time. At least for me, it's a very interesting idea.
 
Samsung told anandtech they lowered performance to match the snapdragon 845.

The final clocks are 200mhz lower than what samsung announced last month.

They also confirmed in the test unit pre production phone the task scheduler was not working properly and these results are not real world or final

The snapdragon version is holding back the exynos.

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In case you didn't know, mobile phones are getting quite fast nowdays. The S9, and iPhone X, as well as many others, actually perform equal to better than for example the base 13" 2017 macbook pro (better on the multicore, a bit lower on single core). Also, I am a developer and was developing just fine on my 2008 macbook that was like 100x slower - you don't need a video editing bleeding edge workhorse for that. A phone will handle the task just fine.

You use the phone as touchpad and keyboard, so no real use for a mouse even though it makes it more convenient, ofc. You just need a monitor. Personally I work 50% in two different towns with an overnight apartment. A monitor on each desk (home, local workplace, overnight place and remote workplace) would let me work freely without dragging along a laptop all the time. At least for me, it's a very interesting idea.

So it makes sense to you to keep separate monitors/keyboards at multiple locations just so you can plug your phone into them? You don't think that's a waste? I'd rather spend that money and get a first-rate laptop.
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Is it typical for Anandtech to publish benchmarks based on unreleased demo units? Or is it just for Apple's competitors?

Is it typical for Samsung to provide a half-baked version knowing it's going to be tested (which Anandtech is famous for)?
 
So it makes sense to you to keep separate monitors/keyboards at multiple locations just so you can plug your phone into them? You don't think that's a waste? I'd rather spend that money and get a first-rate laptop.
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Is it typical for Samsung to provide a half-baked version knowing it's going to be tested (which Anandtech is famous for)?

Anandtech ran these benchmarks at mwc with the demo units there.

They wanted to be the first to review it for page hits.
 
Anandtech ran these benchmarks at mwc with the demo units there.

They wanted to be the first to review it for page hits.

Nonetheless, they allowed a well-known publication enough time to run a series of tests. They didn't just whip through Geekbench (which only takes a minute). It would have taken them some time to run all the tests they did. Time that was allotted to them by Samsung. When unfinished demo units are on display there's usually restrictions (for example, when people first got to look at HomePod they weren't allowed to try Siri or other functions).

One has to wonder why Samsung would let someone have so much time with a demo unit if they knew it might not perform as well as expected.
 
Nonetheless, they allowed a well-known publication enough time to run a series of tests. They didn't just whip through Geekbench (which only takes a minute). It would have taken them some time to run all the tests they did. Time that was allotted to them by Samsung. When unfinished demo units are on display there's usually restrictions (for example, when people first got to look at HomePod they weren't allowed to try Siri or other functions).

One has to wonder why Samsung would let someone have so much time with a demo unit if they knew it might not perform as well as expected.

They shouldn't of posted these results as samsung told anandtech this is on a demo unfinished firmware and has issues.
 
Apple will always be superior just for the fact that they support their hardware for such a long period of time. That they design better SoCs is just a plus. The days of Samsung and Android being ahead are clearly over. Maybe Samsung will start to rethink their early launch dates and start launching flagships in the fall.
 
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They shouldn't of posted these results as samsung told anandtech this is on a demo unfinished firmware and has issues.

Did Samsung tell Anandtech that they weren't able to publish the results? Or did this come up AFTER it did so poorly in benchmarks?

The whole thing reeks of amateur hour. On the part of Samsung, not Anandtech.
 
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interesting how comments on android fan sites are now saying "but performance doesn't matter anymore"
For the vast majority of people it doesn't and hasn't for quite some time.
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Apple will always be superior just for the fact that they support their hardware for such a long period of time. That they design better SoCs is just a plus. The days of Samsung and Android being ahead are clearly over. Maybe Samsung will start to rethink their early launch dates and start launching flagships in the fall.
This is the one area where I believe Apple is out in front of the competition.
 
Apple will always be superior just for the fact that they support their hardware for such a long period of time. That they design better SoCs is just a plus. The days of Samsung and Android being ahead are clearly over. Maybe Samsung will start to rethink their early launch dates and start launching flagships in the fall.

Latest data shows iOS slowly bleeding market share to Android in a lop sided duopoly race though. Consumers don't benefit from a monopoly so they need to fire Tim Cook and hire someone like Elon Musk to bring back innovation and quality.

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Latest data shows iOS slowly bleeding market share to Android in a lop sided duopoly race though. Consumers don't benefit from a monopoly so they need to fire Tim Cook and hire someone like Elon Musk to bring back innovation and quality.

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Oh look, the meaningless marketshare argument again.

The problem with marketshare is that a billion users with $50 phones don’t help your ecosystem. Developers don’t waste time/money coding for them because they can only run the most basic of Apps and they don’t buy anything anyway. Aftermarket accessory makers don’t create products for junk phones people throw away and replace as soon as something doesn’t work. Independent third party App stores tied to manufacturers or carriers (which a large number of those Android phones represent) don’t benefit Android as a whole because developers don’t typically cross over from one Android ecosystem to another.

Meanwhile the iPhone has an outstanding ecosystem. The average iPhone buyer generates 4X the revenue the average Android user does for Google Play. This is why App quality is superior and developers continue to favor iOS. They go where the money is, not market share.

Marketshare only matters when comparing apples to apples (the iPhone to other flagships like the S8/S9), not apples to oranges ($800 ASP iPhones to $50 Android phones). In that race the iPhone is by far the clear marketshare leader.
 
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Latest data shows iOS slowly bleeding market share to Android in a lop sided duopoly race though. Consumers don't benefit from a monopoly so they need to fire Tim Cook and hire someone like Elon Musk to bring back innovation and quality.

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Yeah cause Elon and Tesla are delivering their series 3 on time and to a great finish ;)
 
Latest data shows iOS slowly bleeding market share to Android in a lop sided duopoly race though. Consumers don't benefit from a monopoly so they need to fire Tim Cook and hire someone like Elon Musk to bring back innovation and quality.

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Thats why Apple had such a lousy last quarter, due to bleeding market share...
 
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interesting how comments on android fan sites are now saying "but performance doesn't matter anymore"

In fairness, it really doesn't matter how fast the hardware is when iOS blocks user input for 1000 ms during/following animations.
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I would argue that's not true. The average consumer won't run a benchmark and be like "Dang - it's a few points slower!"... but they will feel the slowness everyday and it will lead to an overall impression about the phone platform.

How many times have you watched an average person doing something on a slow phone be like "this thing is a piece of junk!". They don't know that it's the processor that is bad... they just think the whole phone is crap.

I see it all the time following iOS updates.

Honestly, my 4S on iOS 6 is faster than my iPhone 6 on iOS 10 (let's not even talk about how poor 11 "runs" on it).

It's actually very frustrating to use a phone that doesn't respond to your input half the time (or more), lags out, etc. My iPhone 6 used to be quite good, and now just a few years and one major iOS version later, it runs like garbage. It's a real shame.
 
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