iPhone X Beats Samsung Galaxy S9 in Benchmarking Tests

[deanthedev]

By 10% which most users wont need anyway. People use their phones for media comsumption and social apps, if you want to encode do it on a PC.

Keep making excuses. Now what about tablets? Oh right, Samsung and Qualcomm don’t even make more powerful versions of their processors for devices where people will actually use that power (unlike Apple who make X versions of their processors).

Or the fact Samsung makes DEX to run Apps on a large monitor with a keyboard/mouse. Why even make such a device? Using your logic DEX is pointless as you can do social media Apps on your phone already. Who needs a large monitor just to run social Apps?

Bottom line is Apple is far ahead of Samsung and Qualcomm. It’s pretty bad when Samsung’s best processor ever, with the biggest year-over-year gains in company history still comes up short against Apples year old processor in many tests.

 

[Apple_Robert]

Well.... I would be happy to get rid of my iPhone 10... I am not doing 3D rendering. It is as fast as when the iPhone 5 came out to do the same things by the way. Maps and texting are just as fast, so what? The only improvement is the camera and Galaxy S9 is way superior.

You contradicted yourself. And thus, your point is lost.

 

[Nabby51]

Poor samsung. Even beat by the 8.

Hate to say this but the processor in the iPhone 8 is the same as the one in the iPhone X. The only difference is the amount of ram in the devices.

I’m currently using an iPhone 8 Plus but will also have a Samsung s9+ soon (currently have an S8). Due to my job I get to use both and both have their pros and cons. If I had to switch to a single phone today I would pick the Samsung.

 

[Analog Kid]

Exynos 9810 is terrible. The 9810 obviously throttles heavily. With a single core score that high (and Samsung really did make a big leap in single core performance - their highest in history), the multicore score should be much much higher. But it isn't higher because they obviously can't run all 4 cores wide open. Should have just put 2 fast cores in and let them run full speed instead of 4 throttled cores.

Samsung is throttling their processor? Surely they're being called to testify in front of the Canadian Parliament over this, right?

Oh sure like everyone is going to encode 4k video and compare their phones performance instead of using their social apps like 99% of users.

And yet it's the 99% who feel they're being cheated because the 4k benchmarks dip when the battery ages and this is what the Canadian Parliament chose to grandstand on...

 

[superduperultra]

I'd rather have a throttled CPU than an exploding Samsuck.

 

[1050792]

Keep making excuses. Now what about tablets? Oh right, Samsung and Qualcomm don’t even make more powerful versions of their processors for devices where people will actually use that power (unlike Apple who make X versions of their processors).

Or the fact Samsung makes DEX to run Apps on a large monitor with a keyboard/mouse. Why even make such a device? Using your logic DEX is pointless as you can do social media Apps on your phone already. Who needs a large monitor just to run social Apps?

Bottom line is Apple is far ahead of Samsung and Qualcomm. It’s pretty bad when Samsung’s best processor ever, with the biggest year-over-year gains in company history still comes up short against Apples year old processor in many tests.

Sure very advanced processors that get trotled within a year by degrading batteries. Dex is very useful for business as you can already install Linux and use it with the phone itself. Like none is going to use social apps on the dex its not even the aim for it. But anyway Im sure that if Apple would to something "Magical" similar to Dex you would praise it like it was iNovation.

 

[Michael Goff]

Sure very advanced processors that get trotled within a year by degrading batteries. Dex is very useful for business as you can already install Linux and use it with the phone itself. Like none is going to use social apps on the dex its not even the aim for it. But anyway Im sure that if Apple would to something "Magical" similar to Dex you would praise it like it was iNovation.

I really do wish Dex type things would take off.

 

[Tubamajuba]

Well.... I would be happy to get rid of my iPhone 10... I am not doing 3D rendering. It is as fast as when the iPhone 5 came out to do the same things by the way. Maps and texting are just as fast, so what? The only improvement is the camera and Galaxy S9 is way superior.

Hey, I'll take your iPhone X off your hands. Based on your sig though, don't charge me more than an average-sized box of Legos.

Sure very advanced processors that get trotled within a year by degrading batteries. Dex is very useful for business as you can already install Linux and use it with the phone itself. Like none is going to use social apps on the dex its not even the aim for it. But anyway Im sure that if Apple would to something "Magical" similar to Dex you would praise it like it was iNovation.

Apple has a great track record of taking ideas that have been around for a while and turning them into polished and far more usable products. Is anyone really going to argue that Apple's implementation of a docked phone with some sort of a computer mode wouldn't be better designed and also better supported by third-party developers than DeX?

 

[Ds6778]

Sure very advanced processors that get trotled within a year by degrading batteries. Dex is very useful for business as you can already install Linux and use it with the phone itself. Like none is going to use social apps on the dex its not even the aim for it. But anyway Im sure that if Apple would to something "Magical" similar to Dex you would praise it like it was iNovation.

Those pesky software updates!

Oh wait, Samsung doesn’t know what they are.

 

[5105973]

I'd rather have a throttled CPU than an exploding Samsuck.

I’m so lucky. I’ve had both!

 

[now i see it]

What's pretty funny is that both these phones (X & S9) are going to be slow as molasses in a few years when the future OSes grind them down to a crawl. People literally will be tossing these things in a drawer in disgust - just like we all eventually did with the iPhone 4

 

[SactoGuy18]

Does it surprise me? Nope. Why? Because of the very tight integration between the A11 Bionic SoC and iOS 11.x versions, the result is very fast overall performance for processing tasks. As such, Apple can get by with two high-performance and four power-efficient CPU cores, while the Snapdragon 845 uses eight CPU cores (four Kyro 385 Gold and four Kyro 385 Silver).

 

[deanthedev]

Sure very advanced processors that get trotled within a year by degrading batteries. Dex is very useful for business as you can already install Linux and use it with the phone itself. Like none is going to use social apps on the dex its not even the aim for it. But anyway Im sure that if Apple would to something "Magical" similar to Dex you would praise it like it was iNovation.

Please. Nobody’s going to leave a monitor, keyboard and mouse lying around just so someone can occasionally plug in an underpowered phone to run Linux. And who uses Linux at work (besides servers)? Windows owns the enterprise market for PCs and Apple owns it for phones & tablets. There’s no room for a third rate solution (DEX).

Who said anything about Apple doing this or people saying it will be “magical”?

 

[SactoGuy18]

What's pretty funny is that both these phones (X & S9) are going to be slow as molasses in a few years when the future OSes grind them down to a crawl. People literally will be tossing these things in a drawer in disgust - just like we all eventually did with the iPhone 4

I completely disagree. The problem with the old iPhone 4 was it only had 512 MB of RAM, which made it not effective in running newer iOS versions. The iPhone 5S with a new battery and a Restore (from scratch) install of iOS 11.2.6 actually works surprisingly fast.

 

[grkm3]

Why is this a surprise?

Exynos 9810 is terrible. The 9810 obviously throttles heavily. With a single core score that high (and Samsung really did make a big leap in single core performance - their highest in history), the multicore score should be much much higher. But it isn't higher because they obviously can't run all 4 cores wide open. Should have just put 2 fast cores in and let them run full speed instead of 4 throttled cores.

Samsung told anandtech they lowered performance to match the snapdragon 845.

The final clocks are 200mhz lower than what samsung announced last month.

They also confirmed in the test unit pre production phone the task scheduler was not working properly and these results are not real world or final

The snapdragon version is holding back the exynos.

 

[deanthedev]

What's pretty funny is that both these phones (X & S9) are going to be slow as molasses in a few years when the future OSes grind them down to a crawl. People literally will be tossing these things in a drawer in disgust - just like we all eventually did with the iPhone 4

Not really. The last iPhone to see a real performance hit was the 6 and that’s because it only had 1GB of RAM. Since the 6S all iPhones have had 2-3GB of RAM and should fare much better on OS upgrades.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

Not surprised. When you develop the hardware around the software you’ll always get better performance. I’m sorry android users. I used an android for 2 years but the fact it Apple is a better experience inside and out.

 

[Wags]

Give Samsung break. Trying to copy as fast as they can.

 

[Michael Goff]

I’m so lucky. I’ve had both!

Man, I didn’t get either. What’s up with that?

 

[iReality85]

Yeah, the A11 (still) beats the competition in benchmarks. Not surprised.

What I find interesting is how the Snapdragon 845 beats the Exynos in all but the single core scores. From what I’ve read at other tech sites, they’ve made it seem like Samsung’s in-house Exynos beats the crap out of Qualcomm’s 845. It does in single core, but those other benchmarks are pretty disappointing. All I’ve read is “those poor Americans get saddled with the inferior 845 model for the S9.” So what gives?

 

[I7guy]

Samsung told anandtech they lowered performance to match the snapdragon 845.

Apple is not the only vendor to try and equalize hardware performance across the lines with different chips. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[grkm3]

Apple is not the only vendor to try and equalize hardware performance across the lines with different chips. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yes but apple is using the same architecture just on a different node.

The 845 sucks compared to the exynos 9810.

3700 single core vs 2300 on geekbench.if samsung let the exynos run full speed it would hit 4k higher in multi core vs the 845

 

[deanthedev]

Samsung told anandtech they lowered performance to match the snapdragon 845.

The final clocks are 200mhz lower than what samsung announced last month.

They also confirmed in the test unit pre production phone the task scheduler was not working properly and these results are not real world or final

The snapdragon version is holding back the exynos.

No, they told them they were “planning” to do that. Which to me is even worse. Remember the flak Apple got for supposedly slowing the Qualcomm modem down to match the Intel modem? I wonder if those same people will scream bloody murder if Samsung slows their 9810 to match the 845? Especially since slowing your modem is nowhere near as bad as people claim (even Intels modem is faster than any real-life speeds any networks can provide). Slowing your processor? That literally affects everything you do on your device.

The 200MHz drop is minor since it only changed the clock from 2.9GHz to 2.7GHz. The real drop is when running 2 cores and they slow the clock to 2.3GHz or 3-4 cores where they drop it to 1.8GHz. That’s why the multi core score isn’t as high as it could be.

The task scheduler could indeed need some work and the 9810 could improve in performance later on. The thing I wonder about is Samsung moving to a 6 wide architecture from previous versions which were 3 wide. Apple has been 6 wide since the A7, but this is a first for Samsung. It’s not easy to simply double the width and call it a day. It becomes far more complex to schedule instructions when you go that wide, and Samsung could be finding it very difficult to optimize their scheduler because of it.
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Yeah, the A11 (still) beats the competition in benchmarks. Not surprised.

What I find interesting is how the Snapdragon 845 beats the Exynos in all but the single core scores. From what I’ve read at other tech sites, they’ve made it seem like Samsung’s in-house Exynos beats the crap out of Qualcomm’s 845. It does in single core, but those other benchmarks are pretty disappointing. All I’ve read is “those poor Americans get saddled with the inferior 845 model for the S9.” So what gives?

Probably because of supposed issues with Samsung’s scheduler, as I pointed out above. They might have a very real problem with scheduling instructions and a lot of software might just not be taking advantage of the 9810 because of it. Having a 6 wide core doesn’t help if you can’t dispatch instructions efficiently to keep everything busy. Or if you’re getting too many penalties for missed branch predictions.

 

[farewelwilliams]

To some extent, does it? How fast does a phone need to be? At what point can an iPhone do something that an android can't merely because the iPhone is faster? A Core i5 PC can do everything a Core i7 can do. People get wrapped up in synthetic benchmarks. Everything is so fast now, that does it really matter that both the iPhone X and the S9 are faster than anything you could possibly need? So, really, performance doesn't matter anymore. If longer bar graphs are important to you, Apple will happily charge you $300 more than Samsung for those longer bars.

yes it does matter still. on my iPhone X, scrolling in the official Twitter app is skippy. selecting a short video to add to my tweet took over 5 minutes to re-encode (because it was shot in 4k60). searching through my passwords in 1Password is dog slow. scrolling in a conversation in Slack is EXTREMELY skippy.
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Those were the same comments on Apple fan sites not too long ago.

okay?

 

[Naaaaak]

It's damn impressive for 6-month old A-series SOCs to easily beat the best the competition offers TODAY.

Now bring this to a laptop, ditch Intel, and lock all the SW Engineers at Apple in a room for 2 years and have them only fix bugs. One release like Snow Leopard will not be enough -- every OS they ship needs back-to-back SL releases just to get normal.