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Here’s where having the combination of both Face ID AND Touch ID would be more secure. If the technical hurdles are ever overcome for Touch ID in glass, having both would be more secure than just one biometric sensor.

This is a cop out at best. Boo hoo. Use a passcode.
 
There are identical twins and mirror image twins. I wonder if that makes a difference. For example, a mirror twin might have a facial feature on the right that the twin has on the left.
[doublepost=1509460187][/doublepost]My only concern is that this will delay my company approving the iPhone X. They want to run tests and have talked about disabling FaceID.

Very valid point! With all this talk about the twin thing being an ok loophole because there are so few twins, for corporations it makes a ton of difference. From a policy perspective, they would plan for the worst case scenario and certainly wouldn't want this exposure. Imagine if all the large corporations banned iPhone X as a work phone or disabled face ID. That should be a sizable market size for Apple.
 
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Don‘t I remember that even in the keynote they mentioned that it wouldn‘t work with identical twins?
 
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So F*** the few millions of people who have, right?

What would you suggest they do instead? You seem to have all the answers. How do you make technology that can tell the difference between two that look identical?

You act as if Apple went out of their way to make it NOT work correctly with identical twins. We all know they'd make it able to discern the difference if they could. Apparently you're the only one that doesn't see that.
 
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Yeah yeah, we know you have a fetish.;)




There's nothing wrong with it, is it.




No, though holding a foto of that person in front of the camera will unlock it. /Facepalm/

The retina scanner cannot be fooled by a photo. That is the face scanner.
 
Use Touch ID.
Touch ID can be spoofed by a third party more easily. Someone with access to your fingerprint can replicate it.
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What would you
Very valid point! With all this talk about the twin thing being an ok loophole because there are so few twins, for corporations it makes a ton of difference. From a policy perspective, they would plan for the worst case scenario and certainly wouldn't want this exposure. Imagine if all the large corporations banned iPhone X as a work phone or disabled face ID. That should be a sizable market size for Apple.
I wonder if Apple could add an optional two-step authentication process. For instance Face ID plus a simple password. My company imposes a “complex password” requirement. It would be very inconvenient if they disabled FaceID because of the identical twin issue. But FaceID with a 4-digit passcode would be acceptable if less than ideal.
 
Touch ID can be spoofed by a third party more easily. Someone with access to your fingerprint can replicate it.
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More easily if you're Ethan Hunt and determined to get into your target's iPhone, not something that you'd have to worry about.
 
So I guess you're sharing everything with your siblings, all your passwords, your social security number, access to your bank accounts?
No. Just use passcode. But stop complaining about the security of Face ID because of the twin problem. It‘s a special case that doesn‘t effect the majority of people.
 
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Face ID is less secure. Wish they stuck with Touch ID. iPhone X unlocks with some siblings and half siblings.
 
What would you suggest they do instead? You seem to have all the answers. How do you make technology that can tell the difference between two that look identical?

You act as if Apple went out of their way to make it NOT work correctly with identical twins. We all know they'd make it able to discern the difference if they could. Apparently you're the only one that doesn't see that.

It is all down to precision of matching. I think FaceID precision is not up to secure standard. Even if those twins are very close their facial contour cannot be exact same. Just that faceid cannot detect the difference since IR mapping accuracy is not good enough. This can be due to many factors. TouchID detection is definitely more precise and erroneous factors are well controlled.
 
It is all down to precision of matching. I think FaceID precision is not up to secure standard. Even if those twins are very close their facial contour cannot be exact same. Just that faceid cannot detect the difference since IR mapping accuracy is not good enough. This can be due to many factors. TouchID detection is definitely more precise and erroneous factors are well controlled.

Not according to the numbers Apple presented. It would appear that FaceID is actually substantially more secure than TouchID.
 



Now that the media has had hands-on time with the iPhone X, the new smartphone is being put through its paces in a few areas, including Face ID. Since the iPhone X's new biometric security system has already been at the forefront of much debate and skepticism, most review and hands-on coverage has tried to fool Face ID, including Mashable and Business Insider running a "twin test" to see if one iPhone X unlocks for identical twins.

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Mashable ran its test by asking two different sets of identical twins to try to unlock the iPhone X, first by having one twin register their face in Face ID and confirm it unlocks for them. Then, the second twin held up the iPhone X to their face -- not registered in the device -- to see if they could get into their sibling's iPhone. In both instances of Mashable's twin test, the iPhone X successfully unlocked using the face of the non-registered twin, fooling Face ID completely.
Interestingly, Business Insider's results contrasted directly with Mashable. In its test, Business Insider first had one twin register his face and then simply try to fool Face ID by wearing a hat, glasses, and a scarf, and Apple's security system unlocked every time. Then, his identical twin brother raised the iPhone X in front of his face, but the device repeatedly failed to open and was apparently able to distinguish between the two brothers.
It's worth noting that Apple itself admitted that Face ID may not be able to distinguish between identical twins during the iPhone X unveiling on September 12. Phil Schiller said at the time: "The chance that a random person in the population could look at your iPhone X and unlock it with their face is about one in one million. Of course, the statistics are lowered if that person shares a close genetic relationship with you. So, for example, if you happen to have an evil twin, you really need to protect your sensitive data with a passcode."

Face ID also runs using the smartphone's A11 Bionic chip with a built-in neural engine and Apple has said that it will get smarter over time, so in the future more sets of twins might discover that Face ID more accurately tells them apart from their siblings.

Article Link: iPhone X Face ID 'Twin Tests' Emerge With Mixed Results
[doublepost=1516071529][/doublepost]My non identical twin sisters can unlock each other's phones with face recognition. They have different hair color and styles and different color eyes. but they do have similar faces I guess.
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Not according to the numbers Apple presented. It would appear that FaceID is actually substantially more secure than TouchID.
Yeah apple claimed in keynote something like touch ID was 1 in 100,000 and face ID was 1 in 1,000,000
 
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Yeah apple claimed in keynote something like touch ID was 1 in 100,000 and face ID was 1 in 1,000,000
The difference is that the possible matches for Face ID will tend to be in you own family, making them easy to find. Whereas you Touch ID matches could be anybody.
 
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