You get what you pay for. Too bad Apple likes the higher profit margin of crappier Intel radios versus paying for better Qualcomm radios.
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iPhone X Models With Qualcomm Modem Still Have Faster LTE Speeds Than Those With Intel Modems
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I think it’s interestinf how much people are hating on the intel radio this year
The perceived gap was way greater last year with 7
Some are arguing better experiences with intel than Qualcomm but reports indicate otherwise and some people have empirically had bad intel experiences so.. Idk?
The perceived gap was way greater last year with 7
Some are arguing better experiences with intel than Qualcomm but reports indicate otherwise and some people have empirically had bad intel experiences so.. Idk?
First of all I find it hilarious that my UN is somehow NokiaRules. Clearly I lost that battle... lmfaaaaao
Let's just set all of that aside for a moment. Why would anyone NOT want to buy the verizion version? It supports WAY more bands and has the chip we all know works well. It's a way better resell version! So, I plan on returning tomorrow after delivery and re-ordering the verizion version.
Here's the thing - I just ordered two iphone x's before I found out about this. They are scheduled to be delivered tomorrow. I am taking them right to the apple store and returning them. I deal a lot with bad reception zones and don't want to risk the Intel chip (as proven with testing) does even WORSE than the qualcomm. BUT....
Let's just set all of that aside for a moment. Why would anyone NOT want to buy the verizion version? It supports WAY more bands and has the chip we all know works well. It's a way better resell version! So, I plan on returning tomorrow after delivery and re-ordering the verizion version.
- First the bug where you just can't type the letter "I" in a text message.
- Then the WPA2 bug that was the WORST on OSX due to them using a 0 for the nonce re-auth
- Then the fact that they just left ROOT <blank password> in their code
- The the fact that they had a bug where at midnight on 12/2 your phone just resprings over and over
- Then the fact that they decided to charge everyone the same price for inferior components
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I’ve posted it before. My X with Intel is much worse than my 6S Plus.
I had the same problem with an 8 Plus as well, I returned it, because decided getting the X.
I’m on T-Mobile, my friend has an 8 Plus on AT&T and it’s the same issue with a weaker signal. Sometimes you can just walk 20-30 steps away from a window in a big building and, bang, no signal.
I’ve never had anything like that with my 6S Plus before.
The whole experience of having a X now reminds me of the time when I had an iPhone 4 with that terrible antenna and very weak signal!
My intel X reception hasn’t been that bad?
When I’m in huge building retailers I don’t have the same experience as many of
You?
If I had a bum screen I probably would’ve gone Qualcomm just for peace of mind after all the smack talk last year but to be honest I won’t switch to Verizon reception is good and this particular unit I have in hand (which has nothing to do with being a1901) has a FANTASTIC screen. I refuse to forego that off something I might not see benefits From
A crap screen will bother me endlessly until I offload the x and ruin the experience
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The problem is partially us
But Apple also needs to get it together and that’s the main point
I’m not responsible for [?] bug, personally, for example by any means
Wanna Blame someone? Tim Cook is a good place to start not customers
When I’m in huge building retailers I don’t have the same experience as many of
You?
If I had a bum screen I probably would’ve gone Qualcomm just for peace of mind after all the smack talk last year but to be honest I won’t switch to Verizon reception is good and this particular unit I have in hand (which has nothing to do with being a1901) has a FANTASTIC screen. I refuse to forego that off something I might not see benefits From
A crap screen will bother me endlessly until I offload the x and ruin the experience
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The problem is partially us
But Apple also needs to get it together and that’s the main point
I’m not responsible for [?] bug, personally, for example by any means
Wanna Blame someone? Tim Cook is a good place to start not customers
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But you are. You just proved it by buying another one of their products. I'm not picking on you personally, I'm just saying we as customers are to blame. If we stopped putting up with it and stopped buying their products that's when they'll listen. Until then, they can keep on trucking with as much garbage as they want because we keep buying it.
So if I kept my 7plus, and kept it on 10.1.1 like I have for jailbreak, instead of keeping it and getting the X, the [?] bug would’ve been prevented for the world at large?
I see your overall point if we all pumped the brakes on buying they’d do something. Because they’d have to
*But* not buying isn’t a coherent argument for them not tightening up software standards. They aren’t understanding or observing my lack of sale and asking my opinion as to why.
Don’t forget Bluetooth issues. After updating to iOS 11.2 my X no longer connects to Bluetooth in my Honda Fit whatsoever. It shows up in the car but is grayed out and unable to choose to connect. Really, really sucks as I’m on vacation and relying on the phone for directions/driving music. If only I could downgrade iOS.
You can connect directly via Lightning on this car, yet there are no play/pause buttons when connected that way!
2. I think you’re misunderstanding. MacOS was not the worst impacted, that was android and some versions of Linux. You’ve joined 2 things. All platforms were vulnerable to KRaCK this included macOS and iOS, and the attack could be improved on macOS and BSD due to being able to focus on message 3, but the 0 key thing? That was android/wpa_supplicant that allowed an attacker to install a 0-key.
3. Yep, straight up bad, no excuses for this at all.
4. Yep, also pretty bad.
5. You seem under the impression that this is something new. Display lottery has been a thing for nearly every version of the iPhone, and many other devices have a similar thing when it comes to screens. Samsung charge the same amount for exynos vs Qualcomm devices and that has a similar inferiority problem too.
This idea that Apple can’t diversify their supply line is a little silly. You only really notice the difference because your region offers both, but without the intel and Qualcomm modems the supply would be a lot more constrained and you might not even have your phone yet, these are some of the sacrifices we need to make, like with the LCD iPhones and the 3 LCD variants that sit at different quality levels
I agree with your logic, but you misstate the banding. The LTE banding on the two versions is exactly the same, and either one will work on either AT&T or Verizon (albeit the Intel version on Verizon loses some rural and roaming CDMA 1x coverage). I'd go with Qualcomm just for coverage, as well as being able to use it on Sprint (although who wants Sprint?).
No. We could still compare them to the S8, which is all Qualcomm. As it is, the iPhone, while it smokes the S8 in benchmarks for CPU, RAM, OS responsiveness, etc, is already behind the S8, even comparing Qualcomm to Qualcomm, since 4x4 MIMO allows the use of antenna diversity even without support on the network for 4x4 MIMO, allowing better speeds and reception in weaker signal areas.
So I work in the IT Security field and I have extreme knowledge in this area. What MACOS did was the worst offender of all. Just a VERY oversimplification of the issue...
1) You connect to a WPA2 AP
2) If you get bounced from the AP you are supposed to rejoin with a RANDOM key again. What was happening with MOST vendors was it was just rejoining with the SAME key. Meaning I could de-auth you over and over and once I had enough data packets, I could decrypt your key. Eventually.
3) What MACOS did was re-auth with LITERALLY ZERO. The number ZERO. Every time. So, I run airsniff, see your mac address on the WAP. I send a deauth packet to your MAC address, you reauthenticate to the WAP with ZERO (friggin ZERO) and I instantly know your key with no effort at all.
It is PURE laziness to whoever at apple coded that. There is no excuse.
The LTE connection has been significantly worse for me on my 8 Plus T-Mobile compared with my 7 Plus T-Mobile. It takes longer to find networks when coming out of subways. It sometimes just breaks, so I have to reboot to get data. Also, I’ll often have only 4G showing at the top with full bars, but that means no internet until it gets LTE again. My last phone actually worked when only 4G was showing.
Do you not understand the same modem is used for both wireless and cellular?
By the way, I get about 45 Mbps through cellular. That’s the slow modem. Doesn’t sound like it’s struggling, does it?
Your point?
Actually, that's not correct. Wireless (in this case Wi-Fi, which is what your speedtest.net screenshot depicts) uses a separate 802.11ac radio. This is completely different and independent of the cellular stack (chipset, radio, RF frontend and backend, etc.) and has nothing to do with the debate between Intel and Qualcomm modems. All models of the iPhone X uses the Apple/Murata USI 170821 339S00397 WiFi / Bluetooth module (which can be seen in the iFixit teardown). Thus, discuit is correct in his assessment and that your screenshot isn't relevant to this discussion. However, I do agree on your point that this discussion is pretty much moot. The only real world use case that should be tested is how well the modems perform at the fringe with very low signal strengths, not theoretical max speeds (which really are never reached anyways regardless of modem).
Nice number, thanks for sharing but unfortunatly those numbers ar irelevant to the debate as they are on wifio not lye, iirc tce qualco9mm vs intel differens is only for 4G/LTE not wifiomg. GET REAL.
I think you missed the most important part of the article:
“Qualcomm's Snapdragon X16 is a gigabit-class modem that supports 4x4 MIMO, for example, but the functionality is disabled in the iPhone X. The result is that both the Qualcomm and Intel versions of the iPhone X have a peak theoretical download speed of 600 Mbps in most countries.”
This is the inherent problem with articles like this. Everyone’s iPhone X was fine until they read this article and discovered they might have an inferior modem. Suddenly there’s nerd outrage as they feel they’ve been cheated and want a lawsuit. Calm down people.
Then we have the others saying “in your face” because they have the QUALCOMM modem.
Real world testing with my 1901 on FiOS wifi just gave me 380/366 Mbps. And this is the “slow” 1901 intel modem.
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/i/2365947377
this is the disparity when its low reception supposedly, according to PCMag"
not trying to be too apologist, but honestly if it handles fringe 4g/LTE handoff, as some people have reported on Reddit being more intelligent and 'confident' "knowing" when to hold onto full 4G vs. fringe LTE and flipping back and forth with QC, that *may* potentially be worth the trade off:
I think by next year it will be all Intel, so brace yourself QC fans, because 2018: winter is coming
not trying to be too apologist, but honestly if it handles fringe 4g/LTE handoff, as some people have reported on Reddit being more intelligent and 'confident' "knowing" when to hold onto full 4G vs. fringe LTE and flipping back and forth with QC, that *may* potentially be worth the trade off:
I think by next year it will be all Intel, so brace yourself QC fans, because 2018: winter is coming
So just in case anyone is still reading this thread...
I got my 19xx model's in the mail today. I went to the apple store to return them. While I was there he asked why I was returning them and he said "oh, well we just got a shipment of sim free ones today." so, I bought two of those (verified 18xx models.)
Was thinking I would have to wait until Dec. 12th (current estimate on Apple's site) so it was nice to be in and out with two new phones today of the model I wanted. Now I have a true world phone with the qualcomm modem. The modem issue aside - I would still rather have the phone with more radio's as it's a bigger resell value.
I got my 19xx model's in the mail today. I went to the apple store to return them. While I was there he asked why I was returning them and he said "oh, well we just got a shipment of sim free ones today." so, I bought two of those (verified 18xx models.)
Was thinking I would have to wait until Dec. 12th (current estimate on Apple's site) so it was nice to be in and out with two new phones today of the model I wanted. Now I have a true world phone with the qualcomm modem. The modem issue aside - I would still rather have the phone with more radio's as it's a bigger resell value.
Well, I did it. They said they would price match Apple Store. He called a supervisor over to the computer and she over rode the higher price. Maybe isolated sale. But, got the X I wanted at the price I wanted and it is running great--
Managed to return my launch day Intel X and got a Qualcomm sim-free one. What a difference! I can't believe Apple can get away with it! The Qaulcomm phone never falls back on 4G now while on the subway, like never ever, not for a single second. The Intel phone would get stuck on 4G at almost every single stop of my route. In my office building I can now easily stream a YouTube video in the most difficult places where the Intel phone could not even load short IG videos.
I feel sorry for those who got stuck with the Intel chip. It should not be like that. I hope somebody will slap Apple with a class action lawsuit! They deserve it!
I feel sorry for those who got stuck with the Intel chip. It should not be like that. I hope somebody will slap Apple with a class action lawsuit! They deserve it!
In other news, bears defecate in the woods.
Still. Let's go with Intel eh Apple as that'll maximise margins, the most important thing
I don’t think it’s a margins thing. I think Apple wants to move away from Qualcomm for their wireless.