iPhone X Outpaces iPhone 8 Series in First Weekend Adoption

Kabeyun said:
So about 15% of iPhone users are on a 4” screen. So give us an updated smaller iPhone please!
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You're assuming all of that 15% wants to be on a 4" screen. Likely some fraction do and the rest can't upgrade for various reasons.
 
busyscott said:
Well what did you expect after all the hype? The real question is what kind of cut is Ming-Chi Kuo getting? There's no way that guys not on Apple payroll.
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Or maybe Apple is on his payroll? He gets a lot of attention for the information he provides.
 
Apple has been a victim of its own success here.

By producing the X they've inadvertently awoken the loyal fans to 2017 by finally adopting features others have had for the last couple of years. And the newly enlightened will see what they've been missing and how dated the rest of the range is.

'Trouble is, to migrate to the flagship model will mean lots of £££s of outlay and knowledge that the next model will be fully finished (notchless and truly bezelless) and further developed and must make that decision whether such an investment now is a prudent one.

Apple is the most successful company in the world so it's hard to say what will happen. A revamp of the 'old' 8 series will need sorting sooner than later with cheaper versions for the less affluent and less bothered about having the biggest phone and I presume this plan will surely be in the works already?.
 
Kabeyun said:
So about 15% of iPhone users are on a 4” screen. So give us an updated smaller iPhone please!
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Ya but you have to think maybe half are there because that's all they can afford or something similar. You can't believe all 15% feel the same way you do about the size. Some aren't as blessed to be making a choice regarding screen size.
 
Its interesting to see the amount of people that are still holding onto older devices. Not surprising when there is an annual increase in the Apple Tax
 
It's better, It's shiny-er, Its makes a good impression to anyone you show it to,,

WHat more can u want,
 
Who'd have thought... A new design with new features and new technology is out pacing the sales of a 3 year old design with a speed boost. The 8 only exists to be able to more easily justify the price premium Apple is charging for the X
 
macford said:
Yep, had the plus for the past two generations and went to the X last Friday. I like the change. The change in size is very noticeable but for the better. I like the real estate on the plus but it was a bit unwieldy in the pocket. You give up a bit in width but gain height so it's a bit of a wash depending on what you're doing. I do prefer the smaller form factor and the screen on the X is very nice. The phone has performed almost flawlessly since I got it. In fact the phone itself has been flawless but me trying to adjust to the new gestures has been less than flawless. I'm on the annual upgrade program so I knew I was going to make the jump. I think it's a very nice upgrade from the 7+ I had. Which is saying a lot because I loved that phone.
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I appreciate your response. I'm backing up the plus and getting ready to open the X....here goes nuthin!
 
maflynn said:
Given that the 8 sales were probably tepid, the X outselling the 8, is not surprising.
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Yeah, bigger first weekend sales for the X shouldn’t be surprising since it does appear many were bypassing the iPhone 8 models for the X. But the stats at the end of December or Jan wrt to the sold mix of 8 vs 8 Plus vs X are likely to be quite different from first weekend stats.

In any case, the combined sales of the 8/8 Plus and the X show the fastest adoption since the 6/6 Plus in 2014, when pent up demand for larger screen phones gave Apple huge revenue. And Apple’s guidance of $84 to $87 billion for 1Q2018 confirms the 2017 8/X lineup is a winner.
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Kabeyun said:
So about 15% of iPhone users are on a 4” screen. So give us an updated smaller iPhone please!
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I expect an SE II with an A10 in Spring 2018, ideally with a cut to $329. Would give 4” life for another 3 years.

Maybe the original SE continues for awhile at $299 (possibly only in certain countries where lowest pricing is a priority, e.g. India).
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elev8d said:
Funny that the 5S and SE still have a much larger market share than the 8.
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Why should it be otherwise? The 8 was just released lol. I’m surprised the 8/8 Plus is already almost 4% of the installed base.
 
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alent1234 said:
I guess I'm looking at a different chart. Like the one that shows it tying with the 5S in the first weekend of adoption and lower than every other model except the 8/8+
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The "other than the 6, 6s or 7" in "the highest over that time since the iPhone 5s" is silent. Joe's in Toronto – it's one of those Canadian-US pronunciation things.

tillsbury said:
The chart doesn't compare first weekend adoption, it compares models actively used right now. The X already has the same number of active users as people who still use a 5S.
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You mean the chart with "First Weekend Adoption" in its title, with year labels on its x-axis, in a story about first weekend adoption rates... is about current active use model distribution?
 
alent1234 said:
I guess I'm looking at a different chart. Like the one that shows it tying with the 5S in the first weekend of adoption and lower than every other model except the 8/8+
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“the highest over that time since the iPhone 5s”.

Yeah, the article mis-characterizes the data.
 
Duane Martin said:
Wow, apparently critical reading skills are no longer taught, or have been completely forgotten, or are simply inconvenient when trolling.

For all of those doom and gloom trolls please be aware that when Apple makes a prediction for the next fiscal quarter they cannot afford to be inaccurate and (almost?) always come out conservative. So when Apple shows "the company's revenue guidance of between $84 billion and $87 billion in the current quarter does imply significant iPhone X sales" it's not hype, it's what they expect to see. Now, ask yourself, given Apple's record, how likely is it that the FUD trolls are right and the iPhone X is not selling or being returned at unprecedented rates? The correct answer is as close to zero as matters.

Additionally there is a common theme that iPhone 8/8 Plus sales are terrible however Tim Cook "did reveal the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus were its best-selling models between their September release and iPhone X launch day." Now given the implications of a CEO lying I think it is safe to say the statement is based on some facts. Perhaps it is a positive spin (iPhone 8 outsells other iPhone models currently available) but it is clear that the sales are not terrible, nor bad, abysmal or non-existent. Again, look at Apple's prediction for the next quarter.

Seriously, hey haters, turns out you were wrong. Suck it up and move on. There are plenty of things to criticize that don't have reality against you.
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Well, given your point about the next quarter guidance, they are not forecasting a record quarter. Given the X is around 30%+ more expensive than the 6S, and given everything else Apple is doing is supposedly growing, the X could sell considerably fewer units, but Apple could still achieve their forecast.
 
Sam_S said:
Its interesting to see the amount of people that are still holding onto older devices. Not surprising when there is an annual increase in the Apple Tax
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I'd like to see that too.

One anecdotal piece on my side: About a month ago I was called by T-Mobile (Netherlands) to extend my SIM-only contract, and the guy offered me contract options with either the iPhone 8 or X. I told him I'd rather hold on to my 6S, as I don't find the new devices compelling enough for an upgrade. He said there were in fact several customers who were just as disinterested this year. I found it rather telling.
 
I went into the Apple store to try to convince myself to buy an overpriced MBP to replace my 2012 cMBP and one of the employees showed me the iPhone X. I have to say I was completely underwhelmed, especially given the price of the phone. The notch was kind of annoying and without the home button, the UI seemed like a large pot of chaotic swiping.

On the plus side, the animojis were kinda cool. Almost "magical". :)
 
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nwcs said:
I like how the 4” phones are still 10-12% of their recorded data despite being given very little love by Apple. If Apple would update the SE seriously then I bet that would grow. I like the X and my coworker has one so I got to see it live today. I just don’t see any reason to move from the SE to it.
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So what would you see the reason to upgrade to a new SE model even if it had same technologies as the 8 or the X? Hmmm. Just size then? Nnnno.

Nick A said:
“It's also important to consider that there are significantly more iPhones in the market today than in previous years, so each new iPhone has a tougher challenge of gaining market share among all of the models before it.”
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2018 Apple needs to reduce manufacturing extra models - regardless if some will get a good AppleCare+ upgrade:

Continue the following models:
Apple SE - 5C/5S owners get an upgrade under AppleCare+ cost to Apple negligent yet keeps 5C owners within the iOS app ecosystem ( I don’t think those are 64-bit cpus)

Apple 7 - 6S/6 owners get upgrade. Small hit to Apple but keeps end users happy. Over next year no warranty claims for water damage, possibly small chance AirPod or Beats wireless headset upgrade as no jack. Reins them into the future acceptance of this. Keeps iPhone 7 users like myself getting free upgrade: Black/Jet Black 256GB is iPhone 7 exclusive. Wouldn’t wait 7 days for repairs so iPhone 8 upgrade possible on AppleCare+ .

iPhone 8+X of course.


Minimize manufacturing costs, increase outputs for demand. Upgrade SE model with 8’s tech keep price low and good for emerging markets.
 
I was expecting the X to do much better than what the chart suggests. All that hype surrounding the X in the tech industry. Yet it only just barely manages to squeeze past the 8/8+ which everybody (except TIm Cook, at least in public) considers a flop. Now, combine the 8/8+ with the X and we got close the crazy release of the 6/6+. That just tells me that Apple users are very divided at the moment. We’re going to need way more time in order to get a better picture though.
 
78Bandit said:
Tim actually said "In the last week and a half of September, we began shipping iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus to customers in more than 50 countries. They instantly became our two most popular iPhone models, and have been every week since then."

Very carefully worded on his part. I guess it is open to interpretation, but the way I read it was for the time it was on sale it was the most popular model (ie. from September 22 - November 2, 2017 the iPhone 8 sold more than the iPhone 7, 6s, or SE).

I don't read that to mean that the iPhone 8 sold more phones during its first week or month than the iPhone 6 or 6s did.

I also don't read that to mean that the iPhone 8 outsold the combined units of the 7, 6s and SE for that same period.

You've got to parse what Tim Cook says very, very carefully to get to the underlying truth.
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He’s the master at word play.
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Adelphos33 said:
Next year, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple released five new iPhones;

New 4"
New 4.7" Classic
New + "Classic"
Xs
Xs+
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God I hope not. I would love a
x 4”
X 5”
Xs 6”

All OLED. I’m buying the largest one.
 
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