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You're welcome...Yea so might as well just order now with them catching up with demand so quickly, it'll be much less of a hassle then checking...you'll probably get it in 10 business days or less
From Apple website ordering full price Verizon model "Activate with your carrier later" option says "When you receive your new iPhone, you’ll need to insert an active SIM card or set up a new account with a carrier. To me that's same as buying sim-free model.
 
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from Apple website ordering full pricer Verizon model "Actrivate with your carrier later" option says "When you receive your new iPhone, you’ll need to insert an active SIM card or set up a new account with a carrier. To me that's same as buying sim-free model.
Exactly
 
Well, excuse those folks who aren't on a carrier contract or - you know - travel a lot and can't have simlock. There also ARE those folks who just try to avoid too much debt (and yes, by all upfront)

I'm pretty sure they're not doing this because the customers overwhelmingly prefer carriers - but they're being offered nice rewards by the carriers...

Apple ain't Mother Theresa, ya know?

The largest carriers in the rest of the world like China Mobile and Vodafone aren't offering "nice rewards" to Apple?

In China, UK and EU, only SIM free iPhones are available. In the U.S., carrier phones are being sold first.

Sure, there are debt-free Americans, but most of them are debt-laden.
 
from a customer point of view it would be great to see it flopping considering the price. vote with the wallet may be a great idea

I have encountered 2 people with iPhone X. Both said it was more of the same, not this huge deal change the way iphone updates were years ago (i.e. iphone 3, 4, 6), and not exciting change compared to other gadgets they've purchased this year.

Smart phones IMHO have become just an appliance and the prices have gotten silly.
 
The largest carriers in the rest of the world like China Mobile and Vodafone aren't offering "nice rewards" to Apple?

In China, UK and EU, only SIM free iPhones are available. In the U.S., carrier phones are being sold first.

Sure, there are debt-free Americans, but most of them are debt-laden.

By your logic, independently if the majority of Americans prefer carrier phones, why not offer the sim-free version alongside the carrier-version in the US? What's the downside for Apple? There's NO logic in that move other than them having some kind of contract with the US carriers...
 
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MacRumors in a nutshell:

1) Shipping has improved = iPhone is a flop. Price is too high is the reason it's flopping.

2) iPhone X shipping is 3-5 months = I thought Tim Cook was supposed to be the supply chain leader; Apple should have known demand would be high.

I swear you can't please anyone around here.
 
Apple does not make enough phones = Apple sucks at supply chain, Tim Cook sucks, blah blah.
Apple does make enough phones = Its a flop
Lol. I didn't see this until now but we were thinking the same thing.
 
Or maybe demand wasn't as strong as predicted.
I am an Apple nut and change my iPhone almost every year. I didn’t this year as I thought it was too expensive for the feature and benefits it brought. I also am yet to meet anyone in my circle of friends, family or work colleagues who have bought the iPhone X which is unheard of. This tells me that demand wasn’t what they expected. But here in the UK it was just over priced.
 
Apple does not make enough phones = Apple sucks at supply chain, Tim Cook sucks, blah blah.
Apple does make enough phones = Its a flop

Lipton: And do you expect the iPhone X to come into supply-demand bounds within roughly another quarter as other models have?

Cook: I don't know is the answer to that. I don't know. And so we'll see. This one is harder to read. What I mean by that is we have three iPhones for the first time, we have a staggered launch for the first time. And so there's a number of things we've never experienced before.

Tim Cook, king of supply chain planning knows exactly what Apple can supply. But he doesn't know the demand side.

Shipping estimates that improve so dramatically are not the result of sudden supply improvements.
 
I ordered a silver 256 GB and a gray 256 GB iPhone X on 05 Nov. Both still have deliveries of 06-13 Dec. I keep reading about production times decreasing (now down to 1-2 weeks) and thought mine would get pushed up... not so.
 
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I have encountered 2 people with iPhone X. Both said it was more of the same, not this huge deal change the way iphone updates were years ago (i.e. iphone 3, 4, 6), and not exciting change compared to other gadgets they've purchased this year.

Smart phones IMHO have become just an appliance and the prices have gotten silly.

Well its true. At the end of the day you will be using the same old iOS going back to the same old apps you have been using for the last few years. The only reason i see to update is a slow phone ca iPhone 5
 
Hmmm seems like all those rumors of low supply may have been manufactured?
Totally agree. All this BS from Apple to hype their products. They do it all the time and people fall for it. Seriously can you believe that a company like Apple would have short supply of iPhones during the holiday season?!?
If they can find ways to evade taxes, they can scheme anything they want.
 
Well its true. At the end of the day you will be using the same old iOS going back to the same old apps you have been using for the last few years. The only reason i see to update is a slow phone ca iPhone 5

Well said. I am going to wait for free iPhone from carriers and do a switch.
 
Earlier I stopped by Sprint to upgrade to iPhone X and trade-in my iPhone 7 that I got from T-mobile but unlocked. Unfortunately being dumb as it is they don't take an unlocked iPhone 7 that is not distributed by Sprint. i just switched to Sprint for that 1 year free plan and I'm happy Sprint is stupid enough not to take my iPhone 7. Because not only their network is terrible and I'm switching back to T-Mobile first thing next year. Anyway, Sprint has a lot of iPhone X in stock including 64GB version. So yeah this 1-2 weeks thing is not really believable just walk to your carrier and I can assure you they have one waiting for you. By tomorrow not a lot of people buying phones because sales is everywhere and people are shopping for christmas gift. That means those thing in the store will probably last for a while even if you order online they probably gonna ship you one right away.
 
MacRumors in a nutshell:

1) Shipping has improved = iPhone is a flop. Price is too high is the reason it's flopping.

2) iPhone X shipping is 3-5 months = I thought Tim Cook was supposed to be the supply chain leader; Apple should have known demand would be high.

I swear you can't please anyone around here.
Ming Chi will be round soon to say how apple is doomed and his target for low adoption was right and that 1k was to expensive and not enough units moved and apple is sliding backward in the phone arms race.

There is no pleasing the stock market if we have not learned this by now we are at fault for that. The market is fickle make to many sell to easy it was a flop due to scarcity principles. Cant fill order and your a disaster AKA Tesla and doomed to fail due to crushing order load. The fun fact is neither apple nor Tesla have people walked away from the orders that are on hold in the que. So the market can just go fuggle to the corner where it belongs here market have oil futures back you liked to play with those maybe that will make the cry baby market happy
 
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Great! How much longer for the sim-free version? And are we back to 5 weeks once it's being offered?


It really doesn't matter anymore, just buy any GSM phone, remove the sim before you power on and place your international sim in and your good to go. I work in Asia and every one I brought back for friends fired right up no issues at all. All the phones are sold carrier specific for now, but they are fully unlocked.
 
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