iPhone XS and XS Max Reviews: Not Dramatically Better Than iPhone X, Consider Waiting for iPhone XR

Xenomorph said:
Wait for XR?

The new Shortcuts app just added a crapload of new 3D Touch functionality, and the iPhone XR will be MISSING all of that! An iPhone 6S from 2015 will be able to get more functionality out of iOS 12 than a new 2018 iPhone XR.

And oh yeah, that 326 DPI is getting old. The iPhone XR is the biggest phone yet from Apple to have such a weak pixel density. An iPhone 6 Plus from 2014 has 400+ DPI, but not the new 2018 iPhone XR.
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That's my main concern about the Xr. If they put the same dpi as the 8+ I'd be almost sure to buy the Xr, but going back to 326 feels like a step forwards, and they're asking a premium price for the Xr.
 
MaximizedAction said:
Rationally, you are absolutely correct. But we’re talking about apple prices here. Sadly, there are no other up to date devices with the Mini’s screen size and functionality (landscape home screen for ex.) I’ve given up on thinking about Apple’s pricing points, otherwise I’ll need to look at other companies.
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I think that's exactly what we should be doing. We need to tell Apple to **** off with their insane prices for mediocre upgrades and go elsewhere.

If they get the message, the prices drop back to only being kind of insane ($2000 Macs and $900 iPhones) instead of well beyond insane ($5000 Macs and $1500 iPhones.)

Remember the iPod and how its pricing was? It started at $500 and over the years the prices gradually came down even though it was getting better.

What is this nonsense of having marginal upgrades with massive price increases?

I do think this has come to a head. Sales are going to be shockingly low and AAPL is going to tumble.
 
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ArtOfWarfare said:
I think that's exactly what we should be doing. We need to tell Apple to **** off with their insane prices for mediocre upgrades and go elsewhere.

If they get the message, the prices drop back to only being kind of insane ($2000 Macs and $900 iPhones) instead of well beyond insane ($5000 Macs and $1500 iPhones.)

Remember the iPod and how its pricing was? It started at $500 and over the years the prices gradually came down even though it was getting better.

What is this nonsense of having marginal upgrades with massive price increases?

I do think this has come to a head. Sales are going to be shockingly low and AAPL is going to tumble.
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That’s what people said last year about the X and they made so much money. They are doing it because they know they can. Last year showed them that.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
I think that's exactly what we should be doing. We need to tell Apple to **** off with their insane prices for mediocre upgrades and go elsewhere.

If they get the message, the prices drop back to only being kind of insane ($2000 Macs and $900 iPhones) instead of well beyond insane ($5000 Macs and $1500 iPhones.)

Remember the iPod and how its pricing was? It started at $500 and over the years the prices gradually came down even though it was getting better.

What is this nonsense of having marginal upgrades with massive price increases?

I do think this has come to a head. Sales are going to be shockingly low and AAPL is going to tumble.
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Time Cook knows this, going forward, their cpu's aren't going to have the dramatic gains as they've previously had as they're reaching the limits of traditional silicon. The A7 to A8 was a 29% silicon process size decrease with a 25% increase in performance. The A11 to A12 is a whopping 40+% size decrease with only 15% cpu gain...

They also know that the numbers of phones they're selling is going to continue to drop. In order to keep aapl price up, they have to significantly increase their ASP to keep shareholders happy...
I shoot SLRs and I also see the same price creep from Nikon/Canon as they know they can't sell as many DSLRs as before
 
Mansu944 said:
I think you’re right and so does Apple. They expect us to hold on to our phones longer and that’s why the price is going up so much.
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I think that is probably what is happening. They are raising the price to encourage longer cycles. But it really doesn’t seem to make sense from a business view.
 
My 5S looks and seems ancient nowadays, looking forward to an upgrade. Since I hang on to gear for a long time, I want the latest and greatest. My only concern with the 3 new X phones is size. I like dropping my, now small, 5S in my pocket. The Xr will be plenty for me but if it seems too large for what I’m used to, I’ll go with the Xs.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
I think that's exactly what we should be doing. We need to tell Apple to **** off with their insane prices for mediocre upgrades and go elsewhere.

If they get the message, the prices drop back to only being kind of insane ($2000 Macs and $900 iPhones) instead of well beyond insane ($5000 Macs and $1500 iPhones.)

Remember the iPod and how its pricing was? It started at $500 and over the years the prices gradually came down even though it was getting better.

What is this nonsense of having marginal upgrades with massive price increases?

I do think this has come to a head. Sales are going to be shockingly low and AAPL is going to tumble.
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It’s not going happen as you believe it will, is my opinion. Anyway I’m giving it up for the team; Xs or max for me.
 
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zetti said:
Some people don't care about 3D touch, it'll be a considerable upgrade for many, dual lenses is not for everyone.
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Coming from a 6, the XR would still be a massive upgrade for me. I'm still not sure if I'll get it or go up to the XS. The Max is too big for me, but I know that some people want a device that big.
 
MN7119 said:
I think we all expect a lot from Apple so the word "revolutionary" comes into mind all the time. But, as someone else said in here we are probably reaching a point where technology has hit a point where the leap to another revolution might take longer. What are the revolutionary features people expect Apple can deliver in their next iPhone? It would be nice to hear thoughts on what people expect from Apple so they have a WOW factor and rush to buy their revolutionary new iPhone.

In my case I am coming from a iPhone 7 plus into the new XS Max. Last year I bought the X and did not like the size. I hope the XS Max gives the features on the X on the size of my 7 Plus. That will be enough to be worth an upgrade.
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Revolutionary features that would be a wow factor and make me spend 1100 to upgrade after paying 1000 just one year earlier:

- A next level version of AR Using Face ID to detect the position and angle of my face and eyes in relation to the phone along with a camera array, to achieve a fake parralax effect and allow the whole iPhone display to appear like a sheet of glass for a siri app with siri augments and intelligent interaction with everything viewable through the glass.

- Wireless, contactless charging, eg charging within a few metres of a charger. Possibly integrated with a new version of airport base station offering wifi and wireless power.

- Foldable. Eg slightly smaller than a iphone x, then unfolds to ipad mini size with a more compact apple pencil that fits into the device.

- Significantly thinner eg 1/2 current thickness.

- Multi day battery life eg triple current levels.

Ive had my 6 plus for 4 years and could easily get another year out of it meaning 5 years between upgrades. I reckon we could see one of the above in 5 years time.
 
Stereo microphones for video camera recording are a huge deal for me. I use my X for everything and love the picture quality of the camcorder in it but i've always wanted stereo.
IMO, the best of the best just got better. I don't know why people are saying that it's not much of a step from last year - let's the honest - this is the absolute best of the best and really is superb!
I'm sure that any iPhone XS owner will absolutely love their purchase. I have the X and it travels the world with me and it's just damn awesome! The build quality, the stainless screen, the screen - just wow!
 
scrapesleon said:
The iPhone Xr is trash just put 250 and go for the no compromise iPhone X’s
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Why is the XR trash? Other than the screen and optical zoom, it is an upgrade in most areas over last years flagship iphone x: faster performance, much better battery life, dual sim, faster face ID, for 250 less than the x was just a year ago... Maybe not for you if the screen or optical zoom are important but no way is it trash.
 
DakotaGuy said:
If the XS and XS Max are not dramatically better then the X why would you want to wait for the XR? Using that logic would make the XR worse then the X. When you are paying that much money you might as well pay a little more and get the best especially when you purchase a luxury brand like Apple. The XR just screams "I want an iPhone, but I really can't afford it." The extra money you spend will make your experience better and people will notice you have the best iPhone.
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If you think having the XS instead of the XR will impress the people you need to impress, I have news for you:
They aren't impressed. Nobody important status signals with Apple products. There are people using bus stops with the iPhone X.
 
The Product Red iPhone XR 128GB is in my future. A worthy candidate to replace my favorite iPhone of all time, the iPhone 7 Plus.
 
newyorksole said:
Consider waiting for the XR? There are so many people out there with iPhone 5/6/7, so the XS isn’t a good upgrade for them either? Lol.

The XS may not have a TON of differences from the X, but it’s still a great phone. It’s a worthy upgrade for many people. These reviews really should be speaking to people who hold onto their phones for YEARS.

And the XS Max is definitely worth it regardless if you have an X or earlier.
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Value is relatively subjective. I have an iPhone 7. Even though the Xs would be a huge upgrade, I’m not ordering one. My 7 is paid for and it’s faster now with iOS 12 than it was with 11. The iPhone is a mature technology so there’s not really groundbreaking changes from one generation to the next. I remember holding an iPhone 4 next to my 3GS and I was blown away by the new retina screen and design.
 
DakotaGuy said:
When you are paying that much money you might as well pay a little more and get the best especially when you purchase a luxury brand like Apple. The XR just screams "I want an iPhone, but I really can't afford it." The extra money you spend will make your experience better and people will notice you have the best iPhone.
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Or maybe the Xr screams, " I want a new iPhone and don't want to spend what Apple is charging for the Xs." Or maybe many of us don't care what our phone purportedly screams to others and we simply want to buy the device that works for us. I personally couldn't care less whether "people will notice (I) have the best iPhone."
 
the johnmc said:
Coming from a 6, the XR would still be a massive upgrade for me. I'm still not sure if I'll get it or go up to the XS. The Max is too big for me, but I know that some people want a device that big.
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I would say if you're concerned about the size of the Max, you should definitely consider the Xs. When you go to Apple's site and do the comparison on the phones, you'll see the XR is closer to the Max size than it is to the Xs size. Set the 6 in the first slot, the Xs in the second, and the XR in the third, and you'll see the progression of size pretty well. Just a thought...
 
The Verge's Nilay Patel said:
If you wear glasses like me, you'll still have to enter your passcode every morning when you wake up because you're holding the phone too close to your face for it to work.
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Um, that makes zero sense.
 
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