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Why don't Apple simply make phones with decent battery like like they do in the Android world?

because it would likely require adding 1mm of thickness back to the device.

You think Johnny Ive is going to willingly let any device he works on get thicker? i was shocked when they allowed it to add 3d touch. but that was an exception to the rule.

for the last 5 or so years Ive's only been about making things thinner, even if it means sacrificing some functionality. Such as battery life in devices, Keyboard quality in laptops, or even structural rigidity of iPads
 
More like people can’t read facts that contradict their snark.

Right. It is hard to see that sort of info!
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Lots of outrage towards Apple and misinformed people.

Wonder if the "outraged crowd" will stop buying Apple products in the future...

Ill informed people are so dangerous in socioety... Not just about batteries. Sigh.
 
Better to equip phones with 4000mAh to 5000mAh integrated battery standard like Huawei and Moto than the added expense, bulk and hump of add-on case. For example, Huawei phone with integrated 4000mAh battery is 8.4mm thick vs iPhone XS 7.7mm so 0.7mm difference which is nothing really compared to the bulk of an add-on case.

Why does it seem like they're trying to obscure the basic battery specs like amperage, voltage and dimensions?

Also, with higher voltage than native there will be conversion loss.
 
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Right. It is hard to see that sort of info!
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Ill informed people are so dangerous in socioety... Not just about batteries. Sigh.
You see it all the time, too, these days. People latch onto the first narrative that fits their view and will only modify it under duress. Same with notable events: the press will latch onto something which may or may not be right and people will form an opinion. When evidence goes in a totally different direction people seldom change their views from when they first formed an opinion from the initial coverage.
 
It isn't completely stupid to compare electric current over time (Ah) when you know you are in a context were the output voltages are always the same.
But everybody should be aware that energy capacities be it of batteries, gasoline litres or yogurts is measured with energy units like joules, calories, btus (for all imperial fans) or you guessed it, Wh.
Energy is power over time. W measures electric (active) power, Wh measures electric power over time, ie, energy.
In short if Wh increases, the battery is larger whatever the Ah who may decrease or not.
 
It isn't completely stupid to compare electric current over time (Ah) when you know you are in a context were the output voltages are always the same.
But everybody should be aware that energy capacities be it of batteries, gasoline litres or yogurts is measured with energy units like joules, calories, btus (for all imperial fans) or you guessed it, Wh.
Energy is power over time. W measures electric (active) power, Wh measures electric power over time, ie, energy.
In short if Wh increases, the battery is larger whatever the Ah who may decrease or not.

Yeah and the relationship is not direct, that is Wh =/= Ah * nameplate voltage. The issue is the voltage drops nonlinearly as the battery discharges. The only accurate measurement is to do a discharge cycle and measure the total energy output, Wh.

I think the reason why people obsess about Ah is that some government regulation in some country somewhere requires Ah to be labeled, but not Wh.
 
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It's embarrassing and saddening to see both the article and the comments here.. It just goes to show how low we have fallen in recent years. People are complaining and nagging about things even when they obviously have no clue on how it all works.

Amperes have zero meaning or value without knowing the voltage. What use is a insanely high amount of amperes if the voltage is really low? Same goes the other way around. It's almost like people would prefer to have a 10'000 mAh battery running at 1V over a batter with 1'000 mAh running at 10V even though the battery performance would be the same..

Talk about jumping the shark... The actual watts-per-hours in these newer battery cases are higher than the previous ones, still people act and behave like these newer ones are vastly inferior.... Get a grip......

A good analogy would be miles per gallon.

A 1969 Camaro SS with a 350 small block gets 10mpg at 290 horsepower.
A 2019 Camaro SS with a 378 small block gets 16mpg city, 27mpg highway, at 455 horsepower.

They're both semi-unibody coup ponycars, they're both rear wheel drive, they're both powered by small block V8s. Yet technology has advanced in 40 years to allow a much more powerful and capable car get better gas mileage.

So now you're getting a battery case that is more technically advanced than the ones from 3 years ago, that puts out "more power," while being "smaller" based on an old way of measuring things.
 
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I don't get it, why this case would not work on the iPhone X?
Isn't that the core customer group for a battery case. A case like that really makes sense once your iPhone has properly aged a couple of years?
All potential iPhone X customers will go straight to Mophie. What is this Apple, are you nuts?
 
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The iPhone 7 case gave an 83% boost (22 hours when combined with phone, vs 12 for phone alone) to iPhone 7 internet usage time. The XS case gives a 75% boost (21 hours when combined with phone, vs 12 for phone alone)
Sure, but since the iPhone 7 internal battery (7.45 Wh) was noticeably smaller than the Xs internal battery (10.13 Wh), even to get this somewhat smaller relative boost (75 vs 83%), you'd need a higher capacity battery case.

iPhone 7: 83% of 7.45 Wh = 6.18 Wh
iPhone Xs: 75% of 10.13 Wh = 7.60 Wh

But these are anyway only approximate numbers since the quoted battery life hours are always rounded to the nearest full hour. As the update to this article points out, the actual battery capacities of the different Smart Battery cases are:

iPhone 6/6s: 7.13 Wh
iPhone 7: 8.98 Wh
iPhone Xs: 10.1 Wh

Of course you can argue that general battery improvements are expected to increase capacity for a given physical size and that adding wireless charging capabilities shouldn't increase the price too much, but you cannot argue that you get less for more. You do get more for more.
 
I don't get it, why this case would not work on the iPhone X?
Isn't that the core customer group for a battery case. A case like that really makes sense once your iPhone has properly aged a couple of years?
All potential iPhone X customers will go straight to Mophie. What is this Apple, are you nuts?

just opened up the door to a massive marketing campaign for Mophie :D
 
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I don't get it, why this case would not work on the iPhone X?
Isn't that the core customer group for a battery case. A case like that really makes sense once your iPhone has properly aged a couple of years?
All potential iPhone X customers will go straight to Mophie. What is this Apple, are you nuts?
Microphone and loudspeaker locations as well as camera bump size and location are all so slightly different between the X and Xs. One can argue whether Apple should have prioritised compatibility with older phones over perfect fit but specifically releasing new accessories for a product you already have stopped selling is rather rare.

And while the appeal of battery cases does increase as your phone battery ages, most people will not operate that way (use phone without case for the first year, add case for second year). Some possibly will do so, but most people buying a Xs battery case will do so sooner than waiting for a year.
 
A good analogy would be miles per gallon.

A 1969 Camaro SS with a 350 small block gets 10mpg at 290 horsepower.
A 2019 Camaro SS with a 378 small block gets 16mpg city, 27mpg highway, at 455 horsepower.

They're both semi-unibody coup ponycars, they're both rear wheel drive, they're both powered by small block V8s. Yet technology has advanced in 40 years to allow a much more powerful and capable car get better gas mileage.

So now you're getting a battery case that is more technically advanced than the ones from 3 years ago, that puts out "more power," while being "smaller" based on an old way of measuring things.

Yeah but in your car example "speed limits" are roughly constant over time, whereas with phones the speed they are supposed to run at increases exponentially.

3 years ago the battery cases were worth buying. Now they are not.
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Well, that's what I've been using for the last couple of years. But apart from yet another item to remember to pack (incl. cable) and to stow away, it it is somewhat annoying to have both my phone and the battery pack in my pants pocket with the charging cable hanging out partially and getting hooked on vegetation, fences, etc..

P.S.: For me thus, a battery case makes sense to use on such days when I am outdoors for long stretches, and a relatively thin phone without battery case for all other days.

Why not just have a proper battery bank in your bag? As a bonus it also works with any other device you or your friends might have.
 
because it would likely require adding 1mm of thickness back to the device.

You think Johnny Ive is going to willingly let any device he works on get thicker? i was shocked when they allowed it to add 3d touch. but that was an exception to the rule.

for the last 5 or so years Ive's only been about making things thinner, even if it means sacrificing some functionality. Such as battery life in devices, Keyboard quality in laptops, or even structural rigidity of iPads
IPhones having been getting thicker....but you know "facts" right?!
 
for the last 5 or so years Ive's only been about making things thinner, even if it means sacrificing some functionality. Such as battery life in devices, Keyboard quality in laptops, or even structural rigidity of iPads
iPhone X/Xs: 7.7 mm
iPhone 8: 7.3 mm
iPhone 7: 7.1 mm
iPhone 6s: 7.1 mm (added 3D Touch)
iPhone 6: 6.9 mm

Seems like Ive has been making exceptions for the last three generations:
6s > 3D Touch
8 > Glass back/wireless charging
X > Bezelless OLED?
 
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All for the low low low price of 129. Apple is so generous.

For about the same price something like the 160Wh Jackery Portable Power Station is more useful for camping, emergencies, road trips, etc. as it can charge the iPhone Xs about 16 times on a charge.

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Why not just have a proper battery bank in your bag? As a bonus it also works with any other device you or your friends might have.
And run the cable from by the backpack to my phone? How is that more convenient? I'd rather have the cable as close and short as possible to my body.
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Because it can be used with any of your devices rather than a specific model of a specific phone?
Horses for courses. There are advantages and disadvantages to battery cases vs battery packs, that's why there is a market for both.
 
For about the same price something like the 160Wh Jackery Portable Power Station is more useful for camping, emergencies, road trips, etc. as it can charge the iPhone Xs about 16 times on a charge.

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Except for the fact that you can't stick this in your pocket and charge it wirelessly. I'm sure if this device was more portable, it would astronomically more expensive
 
And run the cable from by the backpack to my phone? How is that more convenient? I'd rather have the cable as close and short as possible to my body.

You could leave your phone in your bag for a short time while it charges. Or if wearing a coat with a large enough pocket have them both in that so the phone is still instantly accessible.

There are many options. The least convenient of all IMO is paying way over the odds to have something that permanently increases the size and weight of your phone just so it can marginally increase your batter life and serve no other purpose.
 
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