iPhone XS iPhone XS applies skin smoothing to the front facing camera, this cannot be disabled

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by silvertech, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. Daremo macrumors 68020


    Jul 3, 2007
    I would HOPE so.
  2. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

    Apr 11, 2014
    I saw this video as well. Pretty astonishing IMO.

    I honeslty have no words right now. Just...unreal.

    I absolutely cannot have my selfies looking like that. I know it's 2018, and I mean no offense to anyone, but I do NOT want my friends thinking I'm smoothening my skin in my selfies.

    Seriously. This is not cool at all for me.
  3. FoxD macrumors 6502a

    Apr 28, 2010
    I also started a similar thread last week. Good to see this is finally getting attention. Another dude here posted the first thread about it too.

    Hope they fix it...
  4. seven8time macrumors newbie

    Sep 26, 2018
    Why is his shirt so bright in the XS photos though? I’m a photographer and this just seems to be bad camera behavior or metering. It’s so much lighter, so it does seem to be extra Exposure or noise reduction.

    This seems like a bug to report rather than a conspiracy.

    I just received an XS Max today and the front camera doesn’t do this to my pictures.
  5. Shanghaichica macrumors G3


    Apr 8, 2013
    I never use the front facing camera anyway. However most phones are doing it now so what can you do.
  6. tt061282 macrumors regular


    Mar 18, 2018
    Yeah this is something Apple didn’t really need to do. The front facing camera on the X was already good. It’s honestly like all they added to the front facing camera was this filter and said it was better.

    For some people this problem will be HUGE. Personally i don’t take a whole lot of selfies, but for people who do this could be an issue
  7. jabingla2810 macrumors 68020

    Oct 15, 2008
    As far as I can tell, this is a new Noise reduction technique by the ISP.

    I don't think it discriminates skin from other textures, it applies to everything.

    I don't think it can be called a beauty mode, because it doesn't just apply to faces.
  8. TroyBoy30 macrumors 68020


    Jun 9, 2009
    Atlanta GA
  9. ssl0408 macrumors 65816

    Sep 22, 2013
    New York
    I cannot believe Apple has done this. This is one of the top reasons why I don’t like Samsung phones, because they have this weird smoothing effect on pictures. I’m considering getting an XS but I will wait it out and see if they fix this with a software update.
  10. Donnation macrumors regular


    Nov 2, 2014
    Did you even watch the video? Its only the front facing camera. No where in the video does he mention that it affects the rear camera, because it doesn't.
  11. Azathoth123 macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2018
    Fountain City
    We’re mostly guys here (women don’t talk about their phones like we do), but there are very favorable comments about the selfie-smoothing effect with different audiences. The smoothing is an effect that’s been used in conventional film photography via portrait lenses for a century, so use of the effect at least is not new. It would be nice to have a toggle though.

    You can indeed add smoothness in an image editor, and you can also sharpen images or add noise or grain. I take it most users are probably using selfies as-is and not exporting to image editors as an intermediate step, so I can see the smoothing as a default since selfies are usually a large part faces. Most general audiences are going to like the effect.


    One thing is for certain, no matter what Apple does, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t lol.

    Cheers, Azy
  12. jacksterg51 macrumors member


    Nov 13, 2016
    Honeymoon ãve.
    Does anyone know if Apple knows about this issue? Being a guy or not this is still quite annoying, as we as the consumer should have the option if we want to turn this on or off.
  13. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    Lol, okay fine get a toggle. I on the other hand am going to send Tim Cook a thank you note and a bottle of champagne after comparing the selfie I just took with my 8 Plus to the one I took with my Max. Steve was right, we don’t know what we need until they give it to us. I can learn to appreciate the fantasy! :D Someday when I’m dead and buried and the grandkids see these photos of me they won’t know it was some crazy algorithm and just think grandma was kind of cute at 52!

    I have a Pixel 2 whose selfie actually makes me look twenty years older and like I downed a lot of vodka over a bad weekend. I’d take it personally, but it does that to my gorgeous teenager, too.

    My Samsung S9+ is so heavily altered I feel like I’m trying to see a picture of myself after downing the vodka that the Pixel 2 made me look like a drank. :p
  14. Azathoth123 macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2018
    Fountain City
    It’s not an issue, it’s a feature. :D Of course they know about it, they intended it to be there (vs say the X), it isn’t accidental.

    You can do a lot with even a simple free editor on your phone, like Lightroom.The question the designers obviously had is ‘what’s the best option for most people?’

    But I agree, a toggle would be a nice simple fix.

    Cheers, Azy
  15. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

    Oct 17, 2011
    How do we know that?
  16. Azathoth123 macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2018
    Fountain City
    This is true, AFAIK there’s no public evidence - but if you’re an engineer (I am a retired engineer) an effect of this magnitude is not something that usually happens unknowingly. That said, there’s a new camera with larger pixels, so it could be X camera code on a Xs sensor, but since cameras are so important and tested extensively it seems less plausible that it is unintentional. The Xs series cameras really are completely new.

    And of course if they ‘fix’ it, there will be an equal or greater number of people wanting it back.

    Cheers, Azy
  17. bpeeps macrumors 68030


    May 6, 2011
    This comment actually made me laugh out loud at work. The thought of your friends analyzing extreme closeups of your face on social media is just hilarious.
  18. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

    Oct 17, 2011
    An interesting conjecture. I guess we'll see how it plays out.
  19. BasicGreatGuy Contributor


    Sep 21, 2012
    In the middle of several books.
    I don't have a need to share selfies with the rest of the Internet. It seems a little narcissistic but, that is the world we now live in. I rarely use the front camera as it is. Most of the time I am using it as a magnifier.
  20. beermode macrumors member


    Apr 18, 2016
    Im a photographer and into other creative arts. So are a lot of my friends. In fact, most creative people tend to buy Apple products despite huge advancements on the MS side of town on winning over creatives.
    Your anecdotal based insults pretty much sucks.
  21. AppleHaterLover macrumors 65816

    Jun 15, 2018
    It's not the iPhone Rebirth yet
  22. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

    Apr 11, 2014
    It’s a young people thing. Most old generations wouldn’t get it.
  23. C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

    Oct 17, 2011
    Not sure that generalization really applies that much either.
  24. Hieveryone macrumors 68040

    Apr 11, 2014
    In my experience, that’s the only thing that applies.
  25. Freakonomics101 macrumors 68000


    Nov 6, 2014
    I have permanent sun damage on my face. If I want to show someone how bad it is and need to ask someone about it, I don’t want my skin smoothed out. There are certain circumstances where this would be inconvenient. No need for anyone to judge.

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