iPhone XS Max vs. OnePlus 7 Pro

[Shanghaichica]

That’s precisely the thing. I don’t think it’s so easy to just disregard the stickiness of the Apple ecosystem and divorce the value it adds to the iPhone.

How many people have years of iTunes content built up from the iPod days? Or are using complimentary hardware such as Apple Watches or iPads? Or have hundreds of dollars in app purchases, not all of which have comparable alternatives on android?

Apple knows this as well, hence the bench of services designed to entrench users further in their ecosystem and make it even harder for them to switch.

Because Apple controls the platform, their products don’t need to be the absolute best in terms of hardware because they know they can compensate elsewhere to pick up the slack.

Yes, some can argue that it’s not fair, but Apple did spend the better part of their lives building a formidable ecosystem, and to the victor belongs the spoils, I guess?

Agreed once the ecosystem is there, the hardware doesn’t need to be cutting edge. I’d rather have good hardware (not the best) and a fully fledged ecosystem than the best hardware and a crappy ecosystem. Also even if the iPhone is not the absolute best hardware many of the other devices in the ecosystem are (iPad, Apple Watch, Mac (imo). So switching might get you a better phone in terms of specs on paper but you end up with an inferior tablet or smartwatch or in my case have to put up with windows!

 

[startergo]

I can already make a hotspot from my iPhone to my MacBook or iPad. My carrier doesn’t charge extra for tethering. I don’t need to use a third party app. Even when I had an android phone I just created a hotspot. No third party app required and no rooting.

right can you share your internet (not the cellular)? You can't unless you are jailbroken.

 

[Shanghaichica]

right can you share your internet (not the cellular)? You can't unless you are jailbroken.

Why would I want to share the Internet when I can connect my tablet to my home WiFi. I have a router which connects to all my devices.

 

[Low country]

As someone with an proper education and a real career, Android feels like a clunky piece of garbage. I guess the 'Fisher Price Toy' has the advantage of being properly formed and functional.

I agree with your comment right up until OnePlus released the 7 Pro, you might maybe want to give it a try at a T-Mobile store. I own the XS and just received my OnePlus 7 Pro last week, the OnePlus is FAR nicer in every respect except missing iMessage and that's it....

 

[Shanghaichica]

I agree with your comment right up until OnePlus released the 7 Pro, you might maybe want to give it a try at a T-Mobile store. I own the XS and just received my OnePlus 7 Pro last week, the OnePlus is FAR nicer in every respect except missing iMessage and that's it....

Is the one plus 7 pro really that different to any other android phone to drastically change your opinion? Stock android is clean and functional.

 

[FFR]

Yes if you take the ecosystem out of it and iOS and just look at hardware alone most of the top tier android phones are better than a flagship iPhone. However not everyone buys a phone based on specs alone. Even features as not everybody needs every feature.
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That’s simply not true.

Apples hardware is actually superior to android top tier flagships.

The a12 with its 8 core npu,
Nvme based storage
120hz touch sensing display
Face ID
Superior dual speakers
Taptic Engine
Stainless steel frame
Full edge to edge flat display without a chin.
Dolby vision.
4K at 60 FPS.
Etc, etc, etc.

It’s not even close.

 

[Abazigal]

right can you share your internet (not the cellular)? You can't unless you are jailbroken.

Well then, I guess it’s good that there are options for the few people who need such a feature then.

 

[Blaze4G]

As someone with an proper education and a real career, Android feels like a clunky piece of garbage. I guess the 'Fisher Price Toy' has the advantage of being properly formed and functional.

a*. Only use 'an' before a word that starts with a vowel, that starts with a silent 'h' or words that start with a consonant but pronounced with a vowel sound.

How proper was your education?

 

[Apache1]

As George Bailey put it Google isn't selling they are buying with their giveaway phones. They don't care if they don't make a dime on the phone they want your profile.

 

[ROGmaster]

Wrong. They said the op7 was water resistant but didn't want to spend money on the certification. In one case a poster is hypothesizing with ancillary sources, in another case the manufacturer is making quite the claim. Quite a difference. Checkmate.

Your supporting my recollection of touted android features (by people who like android phones) of which the op7 is missing two of them. Your right, the exact same thing, only different, because it's on the android side of things.

Very weak damage control attempt, you didn't even understand what I was talking about
He checkmated you the moment he proved his point by posting a quote of yours where you claimed that the 6s is water resistant.

Anyway about what you said:

"Compared to IOS it's just average as well. Specs aren't lower on iphone".

It's actually less average than the iphone XR which is more expensive.

"- better cpu"
Maybe in benchmarks. Real world usage the OP 7Pro actually has an advantage in performance (thanks to it's 90hz display).

"- more accurate display (imo)"
Simply incorrect. As is was stated by DisplayMater the OP 7 Pro has a Very High Absolute Color Accuracy (0.8 JNCD) that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect

"- water proofing rating"
Rebutted by quoting what you said about the 6s.

"- wireless charging"
Correct it doesn't have slow wireless charging like iphones. You can almost charge both a Galaxy S10+ and a Note 9 in the time it takes to charge an XS Max.

"- 3dt"
The 3D touch Apple is supposedly going to drop in upcoming iphones? Does the XR have 3dt? Last I checked the iphone XR is more expensive than the OP 7 Pro, it has a lower resolution LCD display and starts with only 64Gb storage. Even the way more expensive XS Max start with only 64Gb storage.

 

[ROGmaster]

That’s simply not true.

Apples hardware is actually superior to android top tier flagships.

The a12 with its 8 core npu,
Nvme based storage
120hz touch sensing display
Face ID
Superior dual speakers
Taptic Engine
Stainless steel frame
Full edge to edge flat display without a chin.
Dolby vision.
4K at 60 FPS.
Etc, etc, etc.

It’s not even close.

One Plus 7 Pro:

The Snapdragon 855
Hexagon 690 that has dedicated “tensor accelerator”
Superior Snapdragon™ X24 LTE modem
UFS 3.0
Up to 12GB RAM
128GB base storage
Under display fingerprint sensor
90hz touch display
Superior dual speakers
Superior vibration engine(I don't think they have a fancy name for it)
High quality aluminum frame
Seamless full screen design and ~88.1% screen-to-body ratio
HDR10+ certified
Dolby Atmos sound
4K at 60 FPS
Ultra-wide angle camera
Dedicated Night mode
USB 3.1 type C, USB On-The-Go
Warp Charge, 0-50% battery charge in 20minutes

It’s not even close.

 

[FFR]

One Plus 7 Pro:

The Snapdragon 855
Hexagon 690 that has dedicated “tensor accelerator”
Superior Snapdragon X24 LTE modem
UFS 3.0
Up to 12GB RAM
128GB base storage
Under display fingerprint sensor
90hz touch display
Superior dual speakers
Superior vibration engine(I don't think they have a fancy name for it)
High quality aluminum frame
Seamless full screen design and ~88.1% screen-to-body ratio
HDR10+ certified
Dolby Atmos sound
4K at 60 FPS
Ultra-wide angle camera
Dedicated Night mode
USB 3.1 type C, USB On-The-Go
Warp Charge, 0-50% battery charge in 20minutes

It’s not even close.

Yup you are completely right cheaper components on the one plus 7 for a cheaper phone compared to iPhone XS Max. It really is not even close

 

[ROGmaster]

Yup you are completely right cheaper components on the one plus 7 for a cheaper phone compared to iPhone XS Max. It really is not even close

How can I specifically be right about something I didn't state or implied? Just so you don't get confused I'm taking about that "cheaper components" thing you wrote.

 

[FFR]

How can I be right about something I didn't state or implied?

You listed the components.

Here are some examples:

855 has a 4 core npu < a12 with 8core npu
Ufs based storage < nvme based storage
Hdr10 < hdr 10 and Dolby vision
Aluminum < stainless steel
60 hz touch sensing display < 120hz touch sensing display
Vibration motor < Taptic Engine (you would know the difference if you actually used an iPhone in the last three years)
2d facial recognition > 3d facial recognition

We were discussing superior hardware, you listed a bunch of android components that are inferior in comparison. Was that not your intention?

Don’t forget the iPhone XS Max was 2018 flagship, 2019 iPhone flagship will be here shortly.



Btw OnePlus 7 Pro has real optical zoom of 2.2x not than 3x, as it printed on paper.

 

[Abazigal]

Agreed once the ecosystem is there, the hardware doesn’t need to be cutting edge. I’d rather have good hardware (not the best) and a fully fledged ecosystem than the best hardware and a crappy ecosystem. Also even if the iPhone is not the absolute best hardware many of the other devices in the ecosystem are (iPad, Apple Watch, Mac (imo). So switching might get you a better phone in terms of specs on paper but you end up with an inferior tablet or smartwatch or in my case have to put up with windows!

That’s the thing the critics don’t seem to understand even as they keep spamming us with largely irrelevant specs.

People like us buy based on experience, not specs. All the ram in the world is useless when it doesn’t guarantee long-term software support, or apps like overcast, Apollo and Bear.

For me, I get a lot of work done on my iPad, and so I like that I am able to (largely) mirror my iPad’s apps and settings on my iPhone. People criticise the iPad for being a giant iPod touch, and that’s precisely what I love about it. That everything just looks and works the same.

And at the end of the day, it’s not us they need to convince.

 

[techwhiz]

You can tell a lot about a phone by its resale value. Android phones are disposable tech.

Not so.
I've always been able to sell my unlocked Android phones for more than 50% after a year.
The key here is unlocked and not tied to a carrier.
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You listed the components.

Here are some examples:

855 has a 4 core npu < a12 with 8core npu

And with no context this means nothing.
We have no idea the actual performance since there are no applications we can run to test them.
https://www.guidingtech.com/apple-a12-bionic-vs-snapdragon-855-comparison/

You listed the components.
Ufs based storage < nvme based storage
Hdr10 < hdr 10 and Dolby vision
Aluminum < stainless steel
60 hz touch sensing display < 120hz touch sensing display
Vibration motor < Taptic Engine (you would know the difference if you actually used an iPhone in the last three years)
2d facial recognition > 3d facial recognition

UFS is not inherently slower than NVMe.
The 7 Pro uses UFS 3.0 which has two lane transfer speeds of 23Gbs.
NVMe two lanes is PCIe Gen3 speeds of 8 Gbs per lance. I'll assume 2 lance since NVMe usually is one or two lanes.

7 Pro supports HDR 10+ and has been rated one of the best display to date by DisplayMate.
The 7 Pro display is 90Hz.

7 Pro uses a new haptic motor. Felt good actually.
I prefer not to have facial recognition, but that's personal preference. YMMV

Lot's of errors.

We were discussing superior hardware, you listed a bunch of android components that are inferior in comparison. Was that not your intention?

Don’t forget the iPhone XS Max was 2018 flagship, 2019 iPhone flagship will be here shortly.
Btw OnePlus 7 Pro has real optical zoom of 2.2x not than 3x, as it printed on paper.

The the SD865 will be out and so will new Android phones.
The point being, there is always something coming out.
A better comparison than the Xs Max at $1249 for the same storage would be a Xr at $899.
At $749 or $150 cheaper, for a better display, similar haptic engine, aluminum and glass, etc.
So the 7 Pro is undoubtedly a good phone and to just poo poo on it is a mistake.
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iOS = user.

Android = sysadmin.

I love both. Neither are trash.

Exactly.
I'll say, I own iPads and Macs.
My daily driver phone is a OnePlus 7 Pro.
Why? It's bootloader unlocked and I have root permissions.
I can do what I want. Aside from tablets that I use as readers for the most part, I want to control my device.
If you can't control the OS, you don't own it. I refuse to buy a high priced miniature computer that someone else has full control of. -> iPhone

So since I can't get an iPhone with an unlocked bootloader, I buy Android.
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Phone seems to have some problems

The glare on the curved screen even in a dark room is just horrible.
https://www.geekdashboard.com/oneplus-7-pro-ghost-touch-issue/

There is also problem with the camera popping up while the phone is in users pockets.

All screen have glare if they are set too bright in a dark room.
I don't have issues with the camera while the phone is in my pocket.

 

[techwhiz]

As George Bailey put it Google isn't selling they are buying with their giveaway phones. They don't care if they don't make a dime on the phone they want your profile.

And Apple doesn't want your information?
Remember Google only sell the Pixel line of phones.

 

[FFR]

Not so.
I've always been able to sell my unlocked Android phones for more than 50% after a year.
The key here is unlocked and not tied to a carrier.
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And with no context this means nothing.
We have no idea the actual performance since there are no applications we can run to test them.
https://www.guidingtech.com/apple-a12-bionic-vs-snapdragon-855-comparison/

But not android flagships, and not after a year.
I can pick up a new sealed unlocked 128gb s10+ for £450 and it’s only been 2 or 3 months since launch.

Maybe if you got a cheap android, that’s not going to lose much of it value.

The a12 is a faster than the 855 and has a larger npu.
That means better hardware no two ways about it.

UFS is not inherently slower than NVMe.
The 7 Pro uses UFS 3.0 which has two lane transfer speeds of 23Gbs.
NVMe two lanes is PCIe Gen3 speeds of 8 Gbs per lance. I'll assume 2 lance since NVMe usually is one or two lanes.

Ufs is slower has lass bandwidth and is inherently cheaper than nvme.

Nvme is still faster than ufs 3.1 and has been on the iPhone since the 6s or 6, can’t really remember.

7 Pro supports HDR 10+ and has been rated one of the best display to date by DisplayMate.
The 7 Pro display is 90Hz.

7 Pro uses a new haptic motor. Felt good actually.
I prefer not to have facial recognition, but that's personal preference. YMMV

Yes only hdr10 and not Dolby vision.
The iPhone XS Max supports Both hdr 10 and Dolby vision. Once again better hardware than can display both hdr formats.

iPhone XS Max has a better display you should compare the display mate scores between the displays.
It also has a flat display and doesn’t have a chin.

7 pro vibration motor doesn’t even begin to compare with apples Taptic Engine. Try an iPhone with a Taptic Engine, it’s really no comparison everything else feels cheap. Just like holding a phone with a stainless steel frame vs one with a aluminum frame. Again better hardware on the iPhone XS Max.

3d facial recognition is superior to 2d, your preference on the matter is quite irrelevant. Once more better hardware on the iPhone.

The refresh rate is 90hz, touch sensing for the OnePlus is at 60hz vs 120hz for the iPhone XS Max

Again better hardware on the iPhone.

Don’t know if the 90hz refresh rate is a gimmick or not but when I compared the iPhone XS Max to the one plus 7 pro, I couldn’t see where the 90hz refresh rate was being utilized. Do you have to wait for google to do something with android to take advantage of the new refresh rate?

I compared the speakers as well, once again no contest. The iPhone XS Max has louder clearer speakers.

The iPhone XS Max has one of the best sets of stereo speakers on any phone, I have even compared it to the Razer and that had a 120hz refresh rate display, still no contest when it came to the speakers.
Sad they no longer make phones.

Lot's of errors.

Yes you seem to have made quite a few.

The the SD865 will be out and so will new Android phones.

Sure and next year when the 865 comes out apples a14 will be right there waiting for it, spoiler: this years a13 will crush next years 865, just like last years a12 is superior to this years 855.

The point being, there is always something coming out.

Not really. The chipsets are annual, so one per year.
That’s also how the industry compares components, per year.

A better comparison than the Xs Max at $1249 for the same storage would be a Xr at $899.
At $749 or $150 cheaper, for a better display, similar haptic engine, aluminum and glass, etc.
So the 7 Pro is undoubtedly a good phone and to just poo poo on it is a mistake.
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You went from comparing the xs max and the one plus but then shifted to compare the xr with the xs. That’s weird.

Completely disagree, one plus is completely overpriced for what it offers better yet, what it lacks.

I wouldn’t pick an xr over the one plus 7 pro.
I would get the xs max, that’s what the topic of the thread is btw.

Cheaper phone is just a cheaper phone, components and all.

Exactly.
I'll say, I own iPads and Macs.
My daily driver phone is a OnePlus 7 Pro.
Why? It's bootloader unlocked and I have root permissions.
I can do what I want. Aside from tablets that I use as readers for the most part, I want to control my device.
If you can't control the OS, you don't own it. I refuse to buy a high priced miniature computer that someone else has full control of. -> iPhone

So since I can't get an iPhone with an unlocked bootloader, I buy Android.
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Most people just buy android because it’s cheaper, or they get a bunch of free stuff.

All screen have glare if they are set too bright in a dark room.
I don't have issues with the camera while the phone is in my pocket.

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Curved screens have the worst problems with glare even in a dark room compared to a flat display which has no glare, curved displays are practically a joke in sunlight.

You can see the glare even in the video I posted.

It’s just looks annoying to constantly put up with the glare and that chin.

You don’t, but a lot of OnePlus users have complained about it on the one plus forums, that’s where I read about it. Hope yours doesn’t develop the ghost touch disease either.

If the camera ever does and it breaks, I’m sure one plus will honor the warranty and not cite user error .


Enjoy your phone.

 

[FFR]

And Apple doesn't want your information?
Remember Google only sell the Pixel line of phones.

Apple would rather sell you hardware. 31 billion in revenue last q from iPhones alone, and many are calling that a bad quarter.

How much did google make from ad and search last q, about 30 billion. Pixels not very much

Pixel sales had flopped.

Probably why google had to release the cheap plastic pixels.

Honestly don’t think the pixel line will last as long as the nexus line did.

 

[44267547]

If you prefer iOS you're never going to use Android (regardless how one may be better than the other)

I’d say your logic is skewed. In order for somebody to say that they ‘won’t use android’, must mean the user had to experience android at some point to prefer iOS being superior. The clear difference being, the user has to make the choice of why they don’t want to use android or vice versa.
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One Plus 7 Pro:

The Snapdragon 855
Hexagon 690 that has dedicated “tensor accelerator”
Superior Snapdragon™ X24 LTE modem
UFS 3.0
Up to 12GB RAM
128GB base storage
Under display fingerprint sensor
90hz touch display
Superior dual speakers
Superior vibration engine(I don't think they have a fancy name for it)
High quality aluminum frame
Seamless full screen design and

Question, when you listed the One +7 Pro technical specifications, why did you feel the need to interject the word ‘superior’ three times in the specifications, when One +7 Pro doesn’t even list that word in their own marketing? I’m just curious if you think that helps your argument trying to prove that the one +7 Pro is superior because you think it is by adding unnecessary words to make it ‘better’ than the Max?

 

[I7guy]

I’d say your logic is skewed. In order for somebody to say that they ‘won’t use android’, must mean the user had to experience android at some point to prefer iOS being superior. The clear difference being, the user has to make the choice of why they don’t want to use android or vice versa.
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Question, when you listed the One +7 Pro technical specifications, why did you feel the need to interject the word ‘superior’ three times in the specifications, when One +7 Pro doesn’t even list that word in their own marketing? I’m just curious if you think that helps your argument trying to prove that the one +7 Pro is superior because you think it is by adding unnecessary words to make it ‘better’ than the Max?

Superior is subjective. One posters opinion of what is “superior” does not make it so.

 

[koruki]

Really? You think being able to watch Youtube and surf at the same time is gimmicky?

Yes it is lol, how do you do BOTH, and not to mention at half screen size, what are you paying attention to?

 

[LordVic]

Why would I want to share the Internet when I can connect my tablet to my home WiFi. I have a router which connects to all my devices.

What do you do if you're out?

 

[TheSapient]

Yes it is lol, how do you do BOTH, and not to mention at half screen size, what are you paying attention to?

I pay attention to both. I do that sort of thing so the time? I'll read stuff on the net while watching TV. I'll listen to music and do computer work.

A YouTube video takes up less than half the screen when the phone is in portrait orientation. Have you never watched a YouTube video while scrolling down to read comments or look at suggested videos? Multitasking is like that, but with more freedom.

 

[Shanghaichica]

What do you do if you're out?

I use my cellular data or WiFi network if I trust it.