iPhone XS Max vs. OnePlus 7 Pro

[Blaze4G]

Unfortunately your deflecting on the main point, which is what MacRumors says about the touted features. I encourage you to review the first post and watch Dan's video.

It's funny how you bring another posters preferences into this, when the thread isn't about user preferences. It's a comparison between two phones and the price differentiation and the features on the phones.

I urge you to show me where I have been biased in this thread, by pointing out what MacRumors is saying. My preferences are not the point of this thread, which is why it is evident you are just deflecting on the main point.

Lmao how am I deflecting when I have have acknowledged it's missing those features (except water resistance which it does have because you said YouTube videos prove it).

It's missing wireless charging and a micro sd. Okay? What more do you want me to say?

You brought up micro sd and the iPhone doesnt have it either, so why bother mentioning it if it's not a feature of either phone and you're supposedly strictly comparing each phone? Why mention iOS has split screen if the iPhone doesnt support it if youre supposedly strictly comparing each phone?

Seems like you have an agenda, and now deflecting, pretending to sticking to the main topic which you have not done.

Another poster did not mention his preference. He mentioned a feature being a gimmick and I highlighted why I believe it isn't. I thought this was a forum where a member shared his point of view and another member can agree or oppose that point of view?

If this is not the case can you send me a link to a forum please.


You have been biased saying the oneplus 7 pro is not water resistance when you have said YouTube videos prove water resistance.

Stop deflecting and admit you flip flop all the time.

 

[DeepIn2U]

For some, iOS just works better because of their setup which is fine.

Just a correction though, Android no longer does a force all permission when installed for the past 3 or 4 years.

When you install an application from the Play Store I believe the app STILL initially forces you to install based on all requested access and only after installed will it allow you to change it.

Care to show me a screen shot of a new application being installed where you are prompted for permissions on the initial installation pop-up where the end user can change or deny any of them or all of them?

 

[Blaze4G]

When you install an application from the Play Store I believe the app STILL initially forces you to install based on all requested access and only after installed will it allow you to change it.

Care to show me a screen shot of a new application being installed where you are prompted for permissions on the initial installation pop-up where the end user can change or deny any of them or all of them?

Nope it doesnt...already for past 2 android versions, not sure about previously. When you install and open it for the first time it will ask for some permissions. If you use a feature in the app (let's say the app needs to use the mic) it will ask for permission then. I'll download a messaging app and take a screenshot...hard to prove because I could have just gone to settings and disable all permissions lol.
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When you install an application from the Play Store I believe the app STILL initially forces you to install based on all requested access and only after installed will it allow you to change it.

Care to show me a screen shot of a new application being installed where you are prompted for permissions on the initial installation pop-up where the end user can change or deny any of them or all of them?

 

[DeepIn2U]

Nope it doesnt...already for past 2 android versions, not sure about previously. When you install and open it for the first time it will ask for some permissions. If you use a feature in the app (let's say the app needs to use the mic) it will ask for permission then. I'll download a messaging app and take a screenshot...hard to prove because I could have just gone to settings and disable all permissions lol.

I did some digging and have found this ..
https://developer.android.com/training/permissions/usage-notes

Android 6.0 Marshmallow introduced a new permissions model that lets apps request permissions from the user at runtime, rather than prior to installation. Apps that support the new model request permissions when the app actually requires the services or data protected by the services. While this doesn't (necessarily) change overall app behavior, it does create a few changes relevant to the way sensitive user data is handled:

Ok ... the developer's app much support the new model request of permissions in Android 6 or higher ... that's good if they do ... .

Increased situational context: Users are prompted at runtime, in the context of your app, for permission to access the functionality covered by those permission groups. Users are more sensitive to the context in which the permission is requested, and if there’s a mismatch between what you are requesting and the purpose of your app, it's even more important to provide detailed explanation to the user as to why you’re requesting the permission; whenever possible, you should provide an explanation of your request both at the time of the request and in a follow-up dialog if the user denies the request.

hopefully messaging apps are not requesting location; unless the end user is trying to share their location at that time. Not sure if Android shows when an app is using location information.

Greater flexibility in granting permissions: Users can deny access to individual permissions at the time they’re requested and in settings, but they may still be surprised when functionality is broken as a result. It’s a good idea to monitor how many users are denying permissions (e.g. using Google Analytics) so that you can either refactor your app to avoid depending on that permission or provide a better explanation of why you need the permission for your app to work properly. You should also make sure that your app handles exceptions created when users deny permission requests or toggle off permissions in settings.

This last part has always erked me with Android.
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Nope it doesnt...already for past 2 android versions, not sure about previously. When you install and open it for the first time it will ask for some permissions. If you use a feature in the app (let's say the app needs to use the mic) it will ask for permission then. I'll download a messaging app and take a screenshot...hard to prove because I could have just gone to settings and disable all permissions lol.
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That's a screenshot at launch ... not at download though. But I've done some research and believe your rebuttal is correct. Thank you.

 

[Blaze4G]

I did some digging and have found this ..
https://developer.android.com/training/permissions/usage-notes



Ok ... the developer's app much support the new model request of permissions in Android 6 or higher ... that's good if they do ... .



hopefully messaging apps are not requesting location; unless the end user is trying to share their location at that time. Not sure if Android shows when an app is using location information.



This last part has always erked me with Android.
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That's a screenshot at launch ... not at download though. But I've done some research and believe your rebuttal is correct. Thank you.

It doesnt happen at download. You download the app, then when you open it for the first time is when it ask permissions.

Why does that irk you? U mean if you download a video chat app and you deny it from using the camera, the functionality of the app is gonna be broken.

 

[DeepIn2U]

It doesnt happen at download. You download the app, then when you open it for the first time is when it ask permissions.

Why does that irk you? U mean if you download a video chat app and you deny it from using the camera, the functionality of the app is gonna be broken.

Yes, the functionality of the app is broken. A better example is a Calendar app asking access for the camera - in no way in my mind does the calendar need to access my camera - maybe photos library if I'm creating a meeting with a picture of the map or restaurant I'm inviting ppl to; but not my camera. If the app fails to launch (which was soo common on Android prior to v6) or become useless to use/non-functional then that seriously was a big no for that platform for me. Others just accepted because they really had no choice. Even more just click-bait happy and never read nor understood what was being presented.

 

[kazmac]

Touch disease happens on the 8+, too? Crap. I’ve kept mine on hand for family members who don’t like FaceID but most have moved on now to embrace it. I guess I’ll trade it in when the extended warranty is about to go. So far it’s okay.

In answer to your uncertainty, the S10e display is gloriously flat. The S10 and S10+ displays have a very refined curve that isn’t visually problematic but it is “touchy” on the edges. However I must warn you there’s some funky glitch going on so when I am on some calls, my cheek or ear activate the screen and go web surfing while I’m talking and unaware my ear has tried to book a vacation for me. I am not kidding about that. It does not happen on every call but has happened twice and is enough to make me go back to using my Xr for calls.

Getting back to the OnePlus Pro, after patiently enduring through several generations the incremental refinement of curved displays on the Samsung S series phones, I can’t imagine taking on a phone that appears to have the generation 1 level of curvature on the glass. I find displays of that shape incredibly annoying due to the reflections when held at almost any angle. Horrible design. It must die. It’s worse than any notch.

Thanks @GrumpyMom appreciate the warnings about the curved glass.

Yes, I've been experiencing touch disease on my 8+ too (at least one other person on this forum has ). The 8+ will absolutely not respond when I use Sketches Pro lately, and sometimes when posting on forums. I am thinking I'll just delete Sketches Pro from the 8+ and see what happens, but it's beyond annoying when all of my attempts at buying iPads for art have gone utterly belly up with touch disease (this 2018 iPad has only done it twice), so argh.

Yes, that curved screen on the OnePus and the Samsung s!0/10+ models will be nada for me. Once I decide what I am going to do about replacing this iMac, I'll see if replacing my 8+ is an option at that point (I'll probably keep it for mom).

If the OnePlus 7 ProT doesn't have curved glass and] go up in price, maybe I'll consider it if other real world needs are met.

 

[Stuwil]

Only if you don't count all the baked in, fully unified integration between iOS and all your other Apple devices. Many (most) of us have more than one piece of Apple hardware. Personally, I have my XS Max, my iPad Pro, Apple Watch, iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, a pair of Apple TVs, and multiple Home Pods. An Android would useless to me in that configuration.

It wouldn't matter to me if every app I used had an identical counterpart on Android, it will never be able to do all things I do with my iPhone; hence, I'll never even consider an Android device ... it wouldn't even come close to cutting it.

[doublepost=1558858287][/doublepost]Not everybody has another apple product hence the market share of macs & apple watches out there. If you just do a comparison between the 2 phones side by side whats good & bad about both & not mention eco system. Then you would find that 99% of the time the android phone would win. Christ the lte performation on the iphone xs & xs max as shocking.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

On a display sized ~6 inch? You must have an eagle's eye. Or, even better, you are just as large as an ant.

On a 6 inch display, split screen gives two screens similar in size to an iPhone 4 display. Was the iPhone 4 unusable?

 

[Shanghaichica]

On a 6 inch display, split screen gives two screens similar in size to an iPhone 4 display. Was the iPhone 4 unusable?

I used to use split screen even on the S4 and S5 and they were only 5.0 and 5.1 inches. I liked having YouTube open in one window and the web browser in the other.

 

[ValO]

The best feature of the one+ is the 90hz screen.
I really hope apple will also implement it in their iPhone 11. They will have a bigger battery, let’ s hope that is for 90 or 120hz, not just for power sharing. I am also hoping the iPhone 11 will have 6gb . Together with the 3 cameras , bigger battery, perhaps a higher refresh rate of the screen, wireless power sharing , etc, it would be a solid update over the xs (max). Still hoping for a smaller notch though.

I respect what one+ has done with their pricing , thumbs up for them. It is a shame they opted for the curved screen on the sides and the mechanical pop up camera which could be a weak spot in durability.
But very nice phone for a very nice price.
It is a shame it runs android and not IOS...

I hope iOS 13 will enable split screen on iOS on the iPhone max, would love this because I have to use OTP and Authenticator apps for logging into my business account, and now I have to switch between apps to read a code and input a code.

 

[Shanghaichica]

[doublepost=1558858287][/doublepost]Not everybody has another apple product hence the market share of macs & apple watches out there. If you just do a comparison between the 2 phones side by side whats good & bad about both & not mention eco system. Then you would find that 99% of the time the android phone would win. Christ the lte performation on the iphone xs & xs max as shocking.

Yes if you take the ecosystem out of it and iOS and just look at hardware alone most of the top tier android phones are better than a flagship iPhone. However not everyone buys a phone based on specs alone. Even features as not everybody needs every feature.
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[doublepost=1558858287][/doublepost]Not everybody has another apple product hence the market share of macs & apple watches out there. If you just do a comparison between the 2 phones side by side whats good & bad about both & not mention eco system. Then you would find that 99% of the time the android phone would win. Christ the lte performation on the iphone xs & xs max as shocking.

Yes if you take the ecosystem out of it and iOS and just look at hardware alone most of the top tier android phones are better than a flagship iPhone. However not everyone buys a phone based on specs alone. Even features as not everybody needs every feature.

 

[TeamPixel]

One runs iOS and the other runs Android. There is no comparison.

One has Google maps, google assistant, google docs, YouTube and a lot of customization

The other has locked eco system iMessage and a high price

 

[heov]

Swipe up isn’t part of Face ID , the unlocking has already happened Apple has just decided to leave you on the unlocked lock screen for notifications rather than going directly into the home screen.

Its implementation requires that, otherwise you could never read your lock screen.

At the end of the day, most people "unlock" their phone to use it, not to simply make it

Another day, another Android smartphone.

Sorry there is no 'compelling advantage' for me to goto Android vs iPhone.
There are a few nicety's I'd like to have in iOS or that I may have to wait a awhile (getting a better polish), yet overall and over a day to day experience there is no compelling advantage that Android as an entire system or ecosystem has for me to consider it.

Samsung's Dex is really nice ... but it still does not domesticate the client/server. For a real Windows 10 experience in it or a desktop experience that we're used to in the modern world, I still would need to use Horizon 7 workspace/persistent desktop Win10 setup. This is the only real place some 12GB of RAM really shines.

Device power: on iOS any application I run or using the internal native software shows a boost every new hardware iteration and it lasts a month, year, or more on the same hardware. Battery degredadation happens in all phones. Yet on Android ... all those user unknown processes running due to a forced ALL permission granted when installed or no install takes a serious toll on privacy and system performance that is noticeable in less than a few months.

Lol no one is asking you to justify why you use iPhone. I sincerely hope you use which ever phone you prefer, and no one makes you something you don't prefer.

 

[Shanghaichica]

One has Google maps, google assistant, google docs, YouTube and a lot of customization

The other has locked eco system iMessage and a high price

You can get google maps, google assistant, google docs and YouTube on the iPhone but I think it all works better on android, especially the google assistant.

Being locked in depends on the person. A lot of people see the ecosystem as a good thing and don’t feel locked in.

 

[5105973]

Thanks @GrumpyMom appreciate the warnings about the curved glass.

Yes, I've been experiencing touch disease on my 8+ too (at least one other person on this forum has ). The 8+ will absolutely not respond when I use Sketches Pro lately, and sometimes when posting on forums. I am thinking I'll just delete Sketches Pro from the 8+ and see what happens, but it's beyond annoying when all of my attempts at buying iPads for art have gone utterly belly up with touch disease (this 2018 iPad has only done it twice), so argh.

Yes, that curved screen on the OnePus and the Samsung s!0/10+ models will be nada for me. Once I decide what I am going to do about replacing this iMac, I'll see if replacing my 8+ is an option at that point (I'll probably keep it for mom).

If the OnePlus 7 ProT doesn't have curved glass and] go up in price, maybe I'll consider it if other real world needs are met.

I don’t want to drag this too far off topic, but I wonder if what you’re experiencing is truly a hardware problem. On all of my iOS devices, there are regular and frequent instances in which the display won’t respond to touch until I refresh the browser or close and reopen the misbehaving app. I wonder if it all has something to do with RAM not being released. I don’t know, I’m far too lacking in technical understanding to make any reasonable deductions. I just know that I’ve long experienced screen-dead moments, especially unresponsive links, especially in Safari, but in other apps as well, like the Apple News app. I chalked it up to iOS and not hardware because it was happening on brand new as well as older devices and happening on ALL of them. Surely they can’t all be physically defective.

The Pixels are very pleasant to use but I would definitely wait to see how reliable the Pixel 4 proves to be. My 3XL and my husband’s have exhibited some annoying glitches and traits. It’s been the consensus of more knowledgeable forum members than myself that the 3 and 3XL lack sufficient RAM. 4GB is probably the bare minimum one should have on an Android phone nowadays.

 

[kazmac]

I don’t want to drag this too far off topic, but I wonder if what you’re experiencing is truly a hardware problem. On all of my iOS devices, there are regular and frequent instances in which the display won’t respond to touch until I refresh the browser or close and reopen the misbehaving app. I wonder if it all has something to do with RAM not being released. I don’t know, I’m far too lacking in technical understanding to make any reasonable deductions. I just know that I’ve long experienced screen-dead moments, especially unresponsive links, especially in Safari, but in other apps as well, like the Apple News app. I chalked it up to iOS and not hardware because it was happening on brand new as well as older devices and happening on ALL of them. Surely they can’t all be physically defective.

The Pixels are very pleasant to use but I would definitely wait to see how reliable the Pixel 4 proves to be. My 3XL and my husband’s have exhibited some annoying glitches and traits. It’s been the consensus of more knowledgeable forum members than myself that the 3 and 3XL lack sufficient RAM. 4GB is probably the bare minimum one should have on an Android phone nowadays.

Several threads on the touch irresponsiveness being hardware. All of these became very hot and the problems started after that. Screen will not respond to touch or the pencil. Safari has been half baked for years. This goes beyond Safari. Other software may be an additional issue, but...I am done trying.

Back on topic, phones... interesting about the Pixels’ lack of RAM, I never paid attention to that. I know Android handles RAM differently than iOS, but I am surprised that Pixels ship with so little RAM.

Learning something new from you again. Thanks.

 

[realtuner]

Android has many alternatives to AirDrop (including the once that use NFC for initiating the connection - a feature missing on iPhones). You problem was transferring files between the devices with different OSes, it's not an Android problem.

I see this comment a lot regarding any feature iOS has - there are multiple alternatives on Android.

Great, until you want to do something with another user and you have to find it out if they happen to have the "same" alternative that you picked.

You know what? Those "alternatives" also exist on iOS. So iOS users get the best of both worlds. Seamless transfers to other Apple devices through AirDrop, or use an alternative when we want to connect with Android or Windows users.

Basically, the worst case scenario for an iOS user (requiring a third party App to connect to a different device) is actually the normal usage for an Android user.

 

[maka344]

iOS = user.

Android = sysadmin.

I love both. Neither are trash.

 

[eoblaed]

[doublepost=1558858287][/doublepost]Not everybody has another apple product hence the market share of macs & apple watches out there. If you just do a comparison between the 2 phones side by side whats good & bad about both & not mention eco system. Then you would find that 99% of the time the android phone would win. Christ the lte performation on the iphone xs & xs max as shocking.

Clearly not everyone has another Apple product. That's irrelevant.

The claim was made that 95% of iPhone users wouldn't consider an Android even if most of the apps were identical, and the context was the the reason for that was mindless idolatry. However, a large percentage of iPhone users do have other products, and I was pointing out that there are very real, extremely compelling reasons for people that do to stay with iPhone, even if they can look at another product and appreciate its technical legitimacy.

 

[fourthtunz]

Only if you don't count all the baked in, fully unified integration between iOS and all your other Apple devices. Many (most) of us have more than one piece of Apple hardware. Personally, I have my XS Max, my iPad Pro, Apple Watch, iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, a pair of Apple TVs, and multiple Home Pods. An Android would useless to me in that configuration.

It wouldn't matter to me if every app I used had an identical counterpart on Android, it will never be able to do all things I do with my iPhone; hence, I'll never even consider an Android device ... it wouldn't even come close to cutting it.

Android people don't get this..the integration between the devices are worth the extra.
People keep hammering on the cost of phones, its not like we're talking about Thousands of dollars like like a guitar,
cars or a suit or something. Androids do not do everything iPhones do, and the some of software apps for iPhone are not even available for android and security is not as good for android. There are other things but this is why I will pay a couple hundred dollars more for an iPhone. Sure some of the new tech on android are cool and its great we have competition but they are in no way the same experience.

 

[maka344]

Android people don't get this..the integration between the devices are worth the extra.
People keep hammering on the cost of phones, its not like we're talking about Thousands of dollars like like a guitar,
cars or a suit or something. Androids do not do everything iPhones do, and the some of software apps for iPhone are not even available for android and security is not as good for android. There are other things but this is why I will pay a couple hundred dollars more for an iPhone. Sure some of the new tech on android are cool and its great we have competition but they are in no way the same experience.

No, just no.

 

[Baymowe335]

Yes if you take the ecosystem out of it and iOS and just look at hardware alone most of the top tier android phones are better than a flagship iPhone. However not everyone buys a phone based on specs alone. Even features as not everybody needs every feature.
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Yes if you take the ecosystem out of it and iOS and just look at hardware alone most of the top tier android phones are better than a flagship iPhone. However not everyone buys a phone based on specs alone. Even features as not everybody needs every feature.

Apple’s hardware is very good, including the best mobile chips out there. The cameras are among the best, build materials, and color accurate displays are also among the best.

Not really sure what you’re missing from a hardware perspective. More RAM isn’t better if a competing Android just needs the RAM because of poor management. Battery size is another example.

 

[maka344]

Apple’s hardware is very good, including the best mobile chips out there. The cameras are among the best, build materials, and color accurate displays are also among the best.

Not really sure what you’re missing from a hardware perspective. More RAM isn’t better if a competing Android just needs the RAM because of poor management. Battery size is another example.

Not the best mobile chips. Intel chips are inferior.

 

[The Game 161]

One has Google maps, google assistant, google docs, YouTube and a lot of customization

The other has locked eco system iMessage and a high price

For what you get the pixel is rather overpriced...

As good as android is the lack of timing on notifications was a big put off for me...them coming through 10 mins after the iPhone is rather bad and shocking to me.