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There's a whole plethora of small upgrades on the XS, including a RAM bump, better waterproofing, faster LTE chip, better speakers and mics, bigger camera sensor, stronger cover glass, faster Face ID, not to mention all the ongoing software/services/security development, most of which comes included in the price of the phone but is absolutely not free to produce. In what world does that necessitate a price drop? By all means, go complain on the Mac Pro thread about old tech not being discounted enough, but doing it here just makes you look ignorant.

None of these probably REDEVELOPED from the ground-up to increase the cost from where it was last. All the mentioned areas were already in use with frameworks and foundation (iOS) in place. All these earlier features realized its profits all these years and months....Hence the question.

If it is a bendable mobile, holographic display options etc....requires complete research, testing and development hence higher price can be justified. For evolutionary features...?
 
Price is how much the end user will pay.

That's not what I was taught in any of my econ classes. Not saying you are wrong, I'm saying that isn't what they were teaching in Macro, Micro, or Engineering Econ when I took it.
 
None of these probably REDEVELOPED from the ground-up to increase the cost from where it was last. All the mentioned areas were already in use with frameworks and foundation (iOS) in place. All these earlier features realized its profits all these years and months....Hence the question.

If it is a bendable mobile, holographic display options etc....requires complete research, testing and development hence higher price can be justified. For evolutionary features...?
It's not a higher price. It's the same price as last year, which was more expensive than previous iPhones almost exclusively because of the OLED screen and stainless chassis.

What you described is how nearly every single tech company operates. They have to fund their R&D from profits off their existing product lines (as well as investments). The iPhone is in a stage of constant redesign and refinement, in something of a tick-tock cycle. It is a product that hundreds of millions of people in every profession around the world depend on every single day. Apple's not going to drop bleeding-edge, unproven tech into such a ubiquitous device that has become the driving force of their entire firm.
 
That's not what I was taught in any of my econ classes. Not saying you are wrong, I'm saying that isn't what they were teaching in Macro, Micro, or Engineering Econ when I took it.


You were taught wrong by the sounds of it, but that explains a lot if that’s what’s taught routinely. What did they teach you?

I know some places simplify the cost/price issue for demonstration of accounting practices, but in real life it doesn’t really work that way and I guess they do a crap job of explaining that.

To be fair, there are exceptions, some things really are priced on a cost+ basis, but that’s not typical.
 
So... Except for the CPU upgrade, the Xs is last year's technology and design. Can someone please explain to me why the price of the phone hasn't gotten cheaper?
Well, for starters...everything isn't the same. New camera sensors, new IP68 rating, better contrast screen, new microphones, new battery and design, and of course the A12 with a neural engine doing 5T operations/sec up from 600B (8X increase).

Chip design/development isn't cheap. The A12 alone is probably enough reason to not lower the price, but you did get some other nice to haves that I mentioned.
 
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All the internals really are getting smaller. Except the battery.

A heavier, bigger car needs a heavier, bigger engine, which needs a heavier, bigger car, which needs a....

I miss updated options like the SE.
 
The battery has rounded corners and has an Apple logo with no battery manufacturer indentifier other then Apple. If I would do a battery replacement in four years, definitely use the X battery. Has a little more juice and is two cells instead of the one cell battery. Cost cutting on Apple part!
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Actually, I'd be all-in for that... I'd take the phone without the taptic engine and the whole front camera thing, i.e. the notch can be removed as well. Instead put Touch ID on the back. Dual-Cam is also overrated. Phone can be 1,5mm thicker, I don't mind... still better than protruding camera.

And, yes, I'm well aware that will never happen...
Apple and other phone manufacturers did the protruding camera to sell cases. They are all thinking of ways for you to get you to accessories and this is a great idea from a marketing standpoint!
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None of these probably REDEVELOPED from the ground-up to increase the cost from where it was last. All the mentioned areas were already in use with frameworks and foundation (iOS) in place. All these earlier features realized its profits all these years and months....Hence the question.

If it is a bendable mobile, holographic display options etc....requires complete research, testing and development hence higher price can be justified. For evolutionary features...?

Samsung will be first with the folding phone! Apple will probably be the last! Apple will study it and make it better and two-threes years afterward, will introduce their version.
 
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So... Except for the CPU upgrade, the Xs is last year's technology and design. Can someone please explain to me why the price of the phone hasn't gotten cheaper?
I don't know why people expect a full redesign every single year. The iPhone is a mature product, at some point we will be lucky to even get yearly updates. (Mac mini anyone?)
 
I seems that this entire article has sparked a small debate about the battery. It's as simple as this folks: Apple took two individual cells from the iPhone X and wrapped them up in a single package. It's still two cells (or more) and it's still probably superior to or less costly than the iPhone X battery to produce. Now it just has one part number and one connection, etc.
 
Amazing how much is squeezed into one device. Can you guys imagine what would be possible with an innovation/breakthrough for "micro-batteries"?
Or I dunno, they could make it just a few millimeters thicker and greatly increase the battery capacity.
 
There's a whole plethora of small upgrades on the XS, including a RAM bump, better waterproofing, faster LTE chip, better speakers and mics, bigger camera sensor, stronger cover glass, faster Face ID, not to mention all the ongoing software/services/security development, most of which comes included in the price of the phone but is absolutely not free to produce. In what world does that necessitate a price drop? By all means, go complain on the Mac Pro thread about old tech not being discounted enough, but doing it here just makes you look ignorant.

No, no, he's right. Look at all those black squares, they look the same as last year's black squares! lol.
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Or I dunno, they could make it just a few millimeters thicker and greatly increase the battery capacity.

You know I also used to believe this, but coming from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone X last year, the thicker X was quite noticeable. The weight too. I'm now a Jony Ive follower that thinner and lighter is better!
 
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It's funny how the Taptic engine takes up probably as much or more space than a headphone jack... Would you rather have a headphone jack, or the Taptic engine?
Why not both? I never bought the "courage" BS. Real courage would be to make it a few mm thicker and keep the audio jack and give it a bigger battery.
 
Looking forward to the iFixit report. With the watermarks and other logo placement that site feels like it is trying too hard to gain views / clicks as opposed to offering substance. I’ll save my clicks for the iFixit report.

Hope the site traffic was worth the cost of the iPhone.
 
No, no, he's right. Look at all those black squares, they look the same as last year's black squares! lol.
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You know I also used to believe this, but coming from an iPhone 6 to an iPhone X last year, the thicker X was quite noticeable. The weight too. I'm now a Jony Ive follower that thinner and lighter is better!
Individual preferences of course. They could have kept/evolved the SE line, but that has moved on to Apple mythology, to be told in hushed whispers around the campfire.
 
What an amazing example of micro- and nano-packaging engineering in display. The XS just rocks inside.

After teardown of so many nano-bits and pieces -- will anyone be able to reassemble the XS back together? And, have it work and preserve water- and dust-tightness?

Do not think so.

I sure the Chinese assemblers can do one of these in unbelievable time like a minute!
 
Why not both? I never bought the "courage" BS. Real courage would be to make it a few mm thicker and keep the audio jack and give it a bigger battery.


lol - courage. That was how many years ago? Good for you though for keeping it alive, there's probably some people who still appreciate it.
 
Just amazing to watch him take this apart. "Now that you have seen me take it apart, don't ask me how I am going to put it back together. And don't try this at home".

I seems that this entire article has sparked a small debate about the battery. It's as simple as this folks: Apple took two individual cells from the iPhone X and wrapped them up in a single package. It's still two cells (or more) and it's still probably superior to or less costly than the iPhone X battery to produce. Now it just has one part number and one connection, etc.
I agree and what is important is how long the phone will last between charge and the lifespan (for those who keep their phone longer than 2 yrs).
 
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Why not put the battery from last year in this year? This way longer battery and better with performance
 
I think it’s a testament to how good the iPhone X truly was last year..

There is a reason Apple didn’t sell it for 899.99 along side the 2018 offerings lol

No one would have bought the XS.

Agreed.

The iPhone X is up there with the best Apple has put out.

iPhone ( original ) iPhone 4, iPhone 5, iPhone X

This year’s iPhones are a joke.

Apple discontinued the X because they know that no one would have bought the Xs. The numbers do not lie. The X has a bigger battery and is virtually THE SAME EXACT PHONE. Only difference is that A12 chip which honestly no one will notice any differences from the A11. Facebook, instragram and Snapchat will work with the same speed. Your texts and phone calls will be the same. No difference.

The X was a masterpiece and Apple knows it. Glad I got mine already. Been having it since day 1 and this thing is still rock solid with the battery at 98%. Love this thing !
 
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