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If it's a single cell then it's not a battery.

Okay then..

A single "Single cell" what?

Here is a single cell.
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And yes, even if the battery is only one cell it is still a battery.
 
So... Except for the CPU upgrade, the Xs is last year's technology and design. Can someone please explain to me why the price of the phone hasn't gotten cheaper?
Because the millennial love paying for new stuff. LOL as long as there are people willing to pay for it (and i'm guessing a lot last year for the X), they want to see if the price will hold up. I want it to flop so they can drop the price for the MAX down.

i bought a used X in good condition right after the announcement last week for 1/2 of the price. works for me.
 
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Okay then..

A single "Single cell" what?

Here is a single cell.
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And yes, even if the battery is only one cell it is still a battery.

You’re right. The word is being abused in that way these days, and we all know that the world needs more dumbing down. Feel free to continue using it that way.
 
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We have to use new sealant as to prevent water getting inside (IP67). Unless you use the sealant, the phone won't be water resistant after the re-assembly. All the iPhones (6s and prior) are not water resistant.
Sealant is not an issue. Im stalking about internals. I do only repair my own phones or friends but they going "glue crazy". I mean it is really unnecessary. Like the battery - do they really have to use that nasty tape all over? Previous phones had different type of glue, much easier to deal with. Now they really trying to make it single use item.
 
If they took out the Taptic Engine, cameras, sensors, and some other parts, there'd be more room for a bigger battery.

You can already get products that match what your asking for. They are called battery packs, no other unnecessary hardware getting in the way of you enjoying your battery ;)

Joking aside I’d take a bit more thickness for a bigger battery. They still do well vs Android phones with bigger batteries but just imagine if they had a similar battery to some of the flagship Android devices. They’d crush them in battery life.
 
Sealant is not an issue. Im stalking about internals. I do only repair my own phones or friends but they going "glue crazy". I mean it is really unnecessary. Like the battery - do they really have to use that nasty tape all over? Previous phones had different type of glue, much easier to deal with. Now they really trying to make it single use item.

What’s interesting, I read an article awhile back that ‘third-party repair’ shops are having difficulty repairing the iPhone X, simply because it’s less hardware and more adhesive, and in doing so, you have to be careful not to break the internal components upon separating the glass. Ever since iPhone 6s, Apple has been using more adhesive, which I also willing to believe helps with the water resistance in some form or another.
 
Actually, I'd be all-in for that... I'd take the phone without the taptic engine and the whole front camera thing, i.e. the notch can be removed as well. Instead put Touch ID on the back. Dual-Cam is also overrated. Phone can be 1,5mm thicker, I don't mind... still better than protruding camera.

And, yes, I'm well aware that will never happen...
And it should NEVER happen. You are advocating a move backwards. You're probably a great guy, but I'm glad you're not on the development team.

Nah... the A12 isn't much faster as tests have already proven. RAM isn't expensive, Androids pack 6G easily. There's improvements in the XS, yes, but computing power/performance practically didn't improve.
You are comparing the iPhone to "Androids". This is a non-comparison.

Because you'll buy it anyways.
Yes he will. And so will I. And we'll LIKE it!

Two weeks ago the X cost $999.

Can someone please explain how this new phone has a new processor, upgraded camera, more RAM, stronger glass, faster LTE, some other minor improvements... And is the same price?
I see what you did there...nicely done!

It's funny how the Taptic engine takes up probably as much or more space than a headphone jack... Would you rather have a headphone jack, or the Taptic engine?
Oh my God, stop with the headphone jack already. Why aren't you asking for one of these?

It's called a price drop, and negotiating prices.... Mind blown.
"Negotiating prices"? I don't think you understand how Apple works.

lol looks like the phone is still in beta.
I don't think you know what beta testing is.

None of these probably REDEVELOPED from the ground-up to increase the cost from where it was last. All the mentioned areas were already in use with frameworks and foundation (iOS) in place. All these earlier features realized its profits all these years and months....Hence the question.

If it is a bendable mobile, holographic display options etc....requires complete research, testing and development hence higher price can be justified. For evolutionary features...?
Just get dressed, go to your second job, save your money, and buy the damned thing. That's what I'm going to do, because whining and wailing at the moon here won't lower the price. :)
 
What a terrible smartphone that would be. The 90s called they want their phone back.

Why? How often do you actually do video calls on a phone?

I honestly can't think of a single reason apart from that why anyone would want a front camera.
 
Apple probably changed the connector to make it incompatible....

the physical dimension of the battery seems to be the same...connector shouldn't be too big of an issue since i think there'll be like 2 contact points you can just solder on. I'm just worried about the difference in Amp or Voltage of the battery which would require more work...
 
Why? How often do you actually do video calls on a phone?

I honestly can't think of a single reason apart from that why anyone would want a front camera.

I use my front camera all the time. Mostly for selfies (not me on my own with friends etc)
 
You’re right. The word is being abused in that way these days, and we all know that the world needs more dumbing down. Feel free to continue using it that way.

"Dumbing" down? What you talking about? Here are Three definitions of "Battery" one from 1828 or do you still consider that "these days".
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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/battery
battery
NOUN
1A container consisting of one or more cells, in which chemical energy is converted into electricity and used as a source of power.
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https://www.engineersedge.com/battery/battery_definitions.htm
Battery Two or more cells electrically connected to form a unit. Under common usage, the term "battery" also applies to a single cell.
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Even from 1828
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/battery
6. Galvanic battery a pile or series of plates of copper and zink, or of any substances suspectable of galvanic action.'
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It is still a "Battery" even if it is one cell.
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But... "An electric battery is a device consisting of one or more electrochemical cells"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_battery

I didn't want to reference wikipedia because you know it is edited "these days"
 
Yeah pretty surprising they moved to one single cell and yet the capacity decreased.
It's hard to tell from the photos but the new battery might physically be very slightly smaller. When the capacities were leaked yesterday (or the day before?) someone on another thread suggested one reason might be slightly less internal volume available in the XS due to extra sealing to get IP68 rating. Maybe I'm imagining it but I think I do see all the internals being spaced just slightly further in from the sides of the case in the XS vs the X and that might be down to extra IP68 waterproofing.

Also, maybe L-shaped manufacturing technology is slightly less mature than gluing two regular cells together given that loads of factories have been producing regular rectangular batteries for decades whereas maybe only a few are doing the fancier L-shaped stuff so perhaps the production isn't as well-tuned and evolved and the L-shaped aren't quite as efficient for the same volume.

Whatever the cause, I hope this slight mAh capacity drop is a blip and battery capacity will start to climb again next year.

I know that the increases in the efficiency of some of the electronics more than makes up for the slight drop in battery capacity, and I know that different users have different priorities, but for me I dream of an iPhone launch that one year announces 30 percent more life than the predecessor rather than the 30 minutes more that we got this time. This year I can't help thinking that, if Apple had been able to get both the increased efficiency and keep the same mAh capacity this time, we would have been talking about an extra 50 minutes or run time using whatever metric Apple uses to come up with that figure instead of the extra 30 minutes. I know it's not a lot but it all helps.

It's funny how the Taptic engine takes up probably as much or more space than a headphone jack... Would you rather have a headphone jack, or the Taptic engine?
Personally I'd happily lose Taptic for extra battery volume, in fact I'd rather have neither if it meant as big a battery as possible, but I doubt Taptic is going anywhere. The pictures do still show though that if Apple can optimise the design of the Taptic engine in future generations to get it smaller (higher density material for the bit that does the shaking?) there are potentially pretty big payoffs to be had in terms of freeing up some internal volume since it is such a big component currently.
 
Oh my God, stop with the headphone jack already. Why aren't you asking for one of these?

Why? Because I use it every day, that's why! And the headphone jack isn't obsolete, like record players, or cassettes, or floppy drives, because Bluetooth and lightning are not going to be the universal audio interface for a very long time outside of the smartphone world.

In 10-20 years, audio will still be going through a headphone jack in all professional environments, which means all good, professional audio equipment will require a headphone jack. So while the floppy and the record player are not being used anywhere anymore, this isn't going to be the case with the headphone jack, simply because Bluetooth sucks (bad quality, laggy, slow, unreliable) and the Lightning cable is expensive and proprietary to Apple.

Replacing a cheap, ubiquitous, simple, open technology that no one ever had problems with, with proprietary, patented, copyrighted, expensive, less reliable tech, just sounds like a bad idea. To me
 
Why? Because I use it every day, that's why! And the headphone jack isn't obsolete, like record players, or cassettes, or floppy drives, because Bluetooth and lightning are not going to be the universal audio interface for a very long time outside of the smartphone world.
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I don't like Bluetooth for audio on my iPhone either, mainly because it's yet another thing that I need to keep charged for when I go out.

I don't see see the problem though with using the wired Lightning adaptor. It's £9 in the UK so I'd guess it's under $10 in the USA. I don't really call that expensive and I leave it plugged onto the end of my headphone cable all the time. A one-off purchase at a trivial cost (at least to me), the problem is solved and I'm happy for Apple to use the internal space that it frees up as they see fit for the benefit of everyone.

My only complaint against Apple on this is that the adapter is only available in white - if they offered a black version as well it would match the rest of my headphone cable and I'd completely forget it was even there.
 
I don't like Bluetooth for audio on my iPhone either, mainly because it's yet another thing that I need to keep charged for when I go out.

I don't see see the problem though with using the wired Lightning adaptor. It's £9 in the UK so I'd guess it's under $10 in the USA. I don't really call that expensive and I leave it plugged onto the end of my headphone cable all the time. A one-off purchase at a trivial cost (at least to me), the problem is solved and I'm happy for Apple to use the internal space that it frees up as they see fit for the benefit of everyone.

My only complaint against Apple on this is that the adapter is only available in white - if they offered a black version as well it would match the rest of my headphone cable and I'd completely forget it was even there.

I think the main issue is that the adapter isn't very durable, and will fall apart quite fast with regular use. It also provides lower quality audio than previous iPhones with a headphone jack, because the cheap DAC is located in the adapter. Apple should have at least allowed analog audio to pass through the lightning port. It just means that if you want to keep using the headphone jack, you can, but Apple will constantly bully you for it by introducing small annoyances into your life.
 
You were taught wrong by the sounds of it, but that explains a lot if that’s what’s taught routinely. What did they teach you?

I know some places simplify the cost/price issue for demonstration of accounting practices, but in real life it doesn’t really work that way and I guess they do a crap job of explaining that.

To be fair, there are exceptions, some things really are priced on a cost+ basis, but that’s not typical.

They taught that (in general) pricing is based on a reasonable profit, yeah like cost+. But that probably applies more to commodities like tooth paste and tortilla chips, and perhaps budget Android phones.

Apple is really only competing against themselves with the iPhone. And you can't infer their true profit from a parts list. They spend a lot of R&D.
 
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