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I think it's pretty evident since the iPhone 4 takes 1st place in AT&T, and iPhone 3GS 2nd.

The 3gs being 2nd in sales still boggles my mind :eek:

Who in their right mind would lock themselves into a 2 year contract for a 3 year old phone?:confused:
 
What defines best? I believe that's the question. To techies, best is how fast their smartphone could export an edited HD video, even if it can't do such a thing.
To consumers, it's about the experience they get from the device.

Sales numbers portray a product which consumers like. Which brings in profit. The phone has to be good in some way for this to happen.
Do I think the iPhone 4 is a good phone? No. But it only sold so well because it's an iPhone, and it's understandable because it does have good qualities.
Again, consumers don't care about specs, they care about the experience. Who buys the most smartphones? Techies or the average consumer? Right, the average consumer and that's what companies use as a metric to a phone's success.

I think it's pretty evident since the iPhone 4 takes 1st place in AT&T and Verizon, and iPhone 3GS 2nd at AT&T. And i guess that's the sad part right? A phone that's 2 years old is in 2nd place.

This is getting redundant. It's not the forum talking, this is from the CEOs of AT&T and Verizon. Here's a source for you.

Actually, most consumers would probably get an iPhone just because it's an iPhone. (see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg)

Most average consumers wouldn't see a difference nor understand the benefit of a better processor, bigger screen, better camera, etc, NOR have most consumers heard of the Samsung Galaxy S2.
 
Actually, most consumers would probably get an iPhone just because it's an iPhone. (see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg)

Most average consumers wouldn't see a difference nor understand the benefit of a better processor, bigger screen, better camera, etc, NOR have most consumers heard of the Samsung Galaxy S2.

Yes, i very much realize that. Which is why i said..
Do I think the iPhone 4 is a good phone? No. But it only sold so well because it's an iPhone,
 
Yes, i very much realize that. Which is why i said..

Ah, I see.

I think it's just that most people are so attached to Apple / the iPhone that they aren't willing to try out a new phone that is noticeably and statistically better, as the SGSII is.
 
I don't know with you guys, but to me, Samsung's Galaxy Ace is like the complete rip off of the iPhone 4.

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My friend who has one even says it himself he's embarrassed to use it out in the public because it looks like a complete knockoff.

'i c wut u did der'.

Too bad the Samsung phone is a tad bit shorter, but besides that it does look nearly exactly like the iP4. I can see why Apple is filing lawsuit after lawsuit.
 
'i c wut u did der'.

Too bad the Samsung phone is a tad bit shorter, but besides that it does look nearly exactly like the iP4. I can see why Apple is filing lawsuit after lawsuit.

The GSM version of Samsungs more recent phones utilize the one button design, while the American versions usually have the 4 capacitive buttons along the bottom rather than the one button.
 
Ah, I see.

I think it's just that most people are so attached to Apple / the iPhone that they aren't willing to try out a new phone that is noticeably and statistically better, as the SGSII is.

Agreed.

But you can thank Apple for making such a following for that. Also the iPhone provides great experience too, although i'm not saying the GS2 doesn't, but the fact that the iPhone has such a following is complimented by the experience.

Again, in theory the GS2 should reign supreme. But consumers don't care about specs.
What Samsung needs to do is show how their phones provide better user experience. And saying "your wife will love the dual core Tegra chips" isn't the way.
 
always makes me smile to see someone post on an apple forum to inform members how much better they 'think' a competing device is. Bottom line is each to their own, dont tell me your phone is better than mine, better for you maybe but not for me. Personally, the best thing about the sgs2 for me before i sold it and repurchased an iphone 4 was the camera quality, the video was amazing and better than anything iv seen. However, the convolution of androids os pissed me off no end. If you think the sgs2 or sgs3 is better, you buy it, and post on an android forum about how much you like it, you may be flamed less.
 
Agreed.

But you can thank Apple for making such a following for that. Also the iPhone provides great experience too, although i'm not saying the GS2 doesn't, but the fact that the iPhone has such a following is complimented by the experience.

Again, in theory the GS2 should reign supreme. But consumers don't care about specs.
What Samsung needs to do is show how their phones provide better user experience. And saying "your wife will love the dual core Tegra chips" isn't the way.

+1.

Apple doesn't talk about the SoC the iPhone has in their commercials or how thin it is, they talk about how easy it is to use things such as the App Store, iBooks, FaceTime, etc.

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always makes me smile to see someone post on an apple forum to inform members how much better they 'think' a competing device is. Bottom line is each to their own, dont tell me your phone is better than mine, better for you maybe but not for me. Personally, the best thing about the sgs2 for me before i sold it and repurchased an iphone 4 was the camera quality, the video was amazing and better than anything iv seen. However, the convolution of androids os pissed me off no end. If you think the sgs2 or sgs3 is better, you buy it, and post on an android forum about how much you like it, you may be flamed less.

I do prefer Apple over Android, an again, like Reach9 has said, we aren't saying the iPhone is a bad phone, it's just that in reality, the SGSII is better. That's all. I'm not favoring either side.
 
The 3gs being 2nd in sales still boggles my mind :eek:

Who in their right mind would lock themselves into a 2 year contract for a 3 year old phone?:confused:

I'm guessing it's more of younger kids, or parents who just want an upgrade from their bad old phone.
But theoretically speaking, yeah it sounds odd.
 
Android is more customizeable and feature packed which is why it's a hassle for people who are more used to iPhones.

Sure it's more customizable, but in my experience with my SGSII, it definitely lowers the stability of the OS. I've used a couple different launchers, and have kind of landed on a WP7 launcher, but I do miss the stability and consistency that I had with my iPhone.

All that said, I am definitely keeping my SGSII after I get the iPhone 5 just in case I want to play with Android again.
 
Sure it's more customizable, but in my experience with my SGSII, it definitely lowers the stability of the OS. I've used a couple different launchers, and have kind of landed on a WP7 launcher, but I do miss the stability and consistency that I had with my iPhone.

All that said, I am definitely keeping my SGSII after I get the iPhone 5 just in case I want to play with Android again.

I guess you just have to get used to Android and how it works and ITS consistency before you like it.
 
Android is more customizeable and feature packed which is why it's a hassle for people who are more used to iPhones.

and some of those features are very useful, like the pull down controls, which ios5 totally ripped off (which im more than happy about lol) but it gets to a point where the customisation just becomes a mess, im NOT knocking the option of having more options, thats only a good thing, but there comes a point when it just ends up taking an age to wade through them to complete a simple task. The ease of use and perfect integration of the iphone in my apple eco system so to speak is what keeps me coming back, as does the top notch customer service, unbeatable build quality and amazingly good looks of apples devices. BUT at the end of the day, each to their own :) be happy we have so many choices these days rather than argue which is best.
 
Stock android is probably more comparable. These days, any company who isn't Google is putting their own custom skins ontop of Android which adds more functionality to Android.

Stock Android devices like the Nexus line represent Android best, imo.
 
I guess you just have to get used to Android and how it works and ITS consistency before you like it.

I've used this since May and I'm not technically challenged. And I work for a cell company so I play with Android phones every single day. Android just doesn't feel as finished and polished as iOS does, no matter how much more customizable Android is.

EDIT: I agree with you when you say stock Android is the best, and it definitely is the most comparable to iOS. As far as I've seen, all the custom skins that manufacturers put on top add "flare" but it doesn't add any real functionality that you can't get from the Marketplace, which usually ends up being better.
 
lol, i never said i liked the iPhone 4. You're mixing opinion with fact. And that's a bad mixture.

Here's a source for you.

The iPhone 4 is fast. It runs iOS 4 and will be running iOS 5 seamlessly. But yes, i would pick a Galaxy S2 with iOS anytime. But thankfully, the way the rumors are going, the iPhone 5 will be just that.

Again, it's not about specs, it's about the experience the phone delivers, and the iPhone does just that.

My goodness. I've been preaching this for a few years now. I USE my iPhone and all I ever see or hear about Android is the hype about specs and weather widgets and the ability to change the UI. Nothing about the actual user experience or how easy it is to operate or the quality of malware-free apps.
 
Do you realize how much that a 1.5GB RAM card for a phone costs? There's a reason that phone's havent increased their RAM to that level yet. It's not cost effective.

And I could see a 1.5 GHz processor, not a 2.0 GHz.

Plus, Apple could blow us away and give us a phone that is 350 PPI, who knows.

Apple is planning something big for the iP5, they have to be. They just aren't ignorant, like Samsung and blurt out the purported specs to say, "look what we can do". They let their tech do the talking.

Samsung already has 1.5 GHz processor in some of the US models of SGSII (being released right now). Also, Samsung manufactures RAM so it's more affordable to them (than to others, Apple included).
 
I think the SG III will indeed fail in terms of selling and price point.

1) QUAD-CORE: Yes it is fast, but come on, how is it possible to stick a quad-core processor in a 9mm thick phone.
2) BATTERY: I bet you the battery will be max 3 hours.
3) DISPLAY: Right now it is currently not possible to put a 1024x768 screen in a phone even if it has a 4.65 inch screen.
4) PRICE: 100% guarantee that the phone will cost more than $1000 for non-contract/unlocked and more than $450 for a 2-year contract.
 
Hence what I said about Android users. The only thing they can brag about is customization. Not useability. Not apps.

Stock Android really isn't hard to use...

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I think the SG III will indeed fail in terms of selling and price point.

1) QUAD-CORE: Yes it is fast, but come on, how is it possible to stick a quad-core processor in a 9mm thick phone.
2) BATTERY: I bet you the battery will be max 3 hours.
3) DISPLAY: Right now it is currently not possible to put a 1024x768 screen in a phone even if it has a 4.65 inch screen.
4) PRICE: 100% guarantee that the phone will cost more than $1000 for non-contract/unlocked and more than $450 for a 2-year contract.

C'mon, this is 2011 we're talking about, going on 2012.
 
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