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So what if the phone is thicker than previous models. As long as I am pleased with it and it does I want, that is all the matters.

Steve Jobs is dead. Stop trying to create some logical fallacy of what Jobs would do or say if he were alive today.
There is no logical fallacy here. Op is comparing iPhone by thickness. That's it. Don't create something out of nothing lol.
 
If it was me, I'd want the iPhone 4/5 thickness and square sides. I NEVER used a case with that model; it felt sturdy and I felt I could toss it as I wished...
 
Not trying to get under your skin. But your default response to anyone that disagrees with you is that they have committed a logical fallacy. You say it in every other post you make. You've accused me of logical fallacies when there are none.

In the past 24 hours, how many people have you accused of committing a logical fallacy simply because they are saying something you disagree with? This is the third by my count, and my coming across your posts is purely by happenstance.

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See, you love Apple products, and you can't take any criticism of them (even though this isn't really criticism). So when someone says anything remotely negative, you first start with "I don't care, as long as I like it...", and then you accuse the person of committing a logical fallacy.

3 times in the past 24 hours is why I am calling you out. And in all three cases, none of your accusations have really made sense.

You're accusing OP of a logical fallacy he did not commit. You did it on your own.
I did accuse the OP of logical fallacy and he admitted such in his reply to me.

And yes, I have accused several people of using logical fallacies in their retorts. It is illogical to approve of a logical fallacy post. Hence my disapproval. If said persons created a retort that was not based on logical fallacy, I may have agreed with the post(s) in question.

Has it occurred to you, that the reason I have brought up logical fallacy, is because a lot of people are using it as the basis for their argument, and that is the reason for my reply? If that hasn't occurred to you, consider it, because that is why I do it.

There are several different kinds of logical fallacy arguments and many of them are regularly used on the forum.

And for those who don't really consider such when replying to a post, it may seem like I don't know the meaning of logical fallacy and just use it as some kind of feeble retort because I don't have anything else to retort with. Such is not the case.

Whether the OP, you or some others realize it, the OP is based on logical fallacy and he confirmed my post in his reply to me, even if he didn't realize it when he said, "No.."

If Steve were alive and in control of Apple today, he may or may not have the same product vision for thinness with the current models as he did previously. There is no way to say definitively. And there is no way to use said reasoning (in the declarative manner the OP did) as the basis for the argument that Apple is headed in the wrong direction. Such an argument, as foundationally solid as it may read to many here, is illogical; hence my post.
 
I did accuse the OP of logical fallacy and he admitted such in his reply to me.

And yes, I have accused several people of using logical fallacies in their retorts. It is illogical to approve of a logical fallacy post. Hence my disapproval. If said persons created a retort that was not based on logical fallacy, I may have agreed with the post(s) in question.

Has it occurred to you, that the reason I have brought up logical fallacy, is because a lot of people are using it as the basis for their argument, and that is the reason for my reply? If that hasn't occurred to you, consider it, because that is why I do it.

There are several different kinds of logical fallacy arguments and many of them are regularly used on the forum.

And for those who don't really consider such when replying to a post, it may seem like I don't know the meaning of logical fallacy and just use it as some kind of feeble retort because I don't have anything else to retort with. Such is not the case.

Whether the OP, you or some others realize it, the OP is based on logical fallacy and he confirmed my post in his reply to me, even if he didn't realize it when he said, "No.."

If Steve were alive and in control of Apple today, he may or may not have the same product vision for thinness with the current models as he did previously. There is no way to say definitively. And there is no way to use said reasoning (in the declarative manner the OP did) as the basis for the argument that Apple is headed in the wrong direction. Such an argument, as foundationally solid as it may read to many here, is illogical; hence my post.

This is ridiculous. I did not admit to any logical fallacy.

You are creating strawmen arguments and are thus committing yourself to fallacious reasoning.
 
Isn't thicker a lot better than thinner? I understand the weight part, but thinness reminds me of the bendable iphone.
 
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Don't ever run a company or go into product development.

As we can also see, the iPhone 8 Plus is an absolute beast at 202 grams, a full 30 grams/17.4% heavier than the iPhone 6 Plus. It may be the heaviest phone they've ever made.

That is one of the reasons that I still have my 6S+. I did see that the 7+ weighs a little less though. My main gripe was with how heavy my phone is, but going to a 7 or 8 without 1080 screen and 4.7" vs 5.5" size difference and less battery life kind of is a no go.
 
Remember when the early rumors of headphone jack removal was due to the inability to make the phone thinner?
 
This is ridiculous. I did not admit to any logical fallacy.

You are creating strawmen arguments and are thus committing yourself to fallacious reasoning.

That's just his way of dealing with things. It's the worst attempt (and I must emphasize "attempt") at intellectual snobbery that I have ever seen.
 
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Honestly it being thicker and less wide is a huge selling point for me. The 8+ is way to wide to comfortable hold and the little extra thickness wont bother me a bit.
 
I had no idea the X would be a massive 0.6mm thicker than my 7+. No way my pockets can take that kind of strain. You've just saved me £1,149.
 
I'd be more concerned with extra weight than thickness. In fact I'd be happy for phones to get a little thicker as they are getting increasingly more difficult to pick up when not in a case , with slippery thin sides
 
Personally, I wouldn't mind an iPhone that was as thick as the original from 10 years ago if the thickness added battery life. Complaining about half a millimeter in extra thickness seems like nonsense to me.

When I buy iPhone, I don't care about the specifications for thickness. I buy an iPhone for the experience and offering the latest features and capabilities. As long as Apple hardware standards are that of which they have always been and the iPhone does exactly what I needed to, millimeters in thickness Make no difference to me.
 
Don't ever run a company or go into product development.

As we can also see, the iPhone 8 Plus is an absolute beast at 202 grams, a full 30 grams/17.4% heavier than the iPhone 6 Plus. It may be the heaviest phone they've ever made.
I don't even so much mind a bit thicker, but yeah that's an incredibly heavy phone - I believe some reviewers though that the extra weight of the 6s+ over the 6+ made it more awkward to handle - this takes it even further!
 
are the 7.7 mm measured with or without the camera bump?

if without: i'm a bit concerned that they are getting thicker, but the camera bump seems to have gotten bigger anyway.
 
I had no idea the X would be a massive 0.6mm thicker than my 7+. No way my pockets can take that kind of strain. You've just saved me £1,149.

You downplay increased thickness on a mobile device. The implication here is that you think 0.6 mm as an increase in the thickness of a smartphone is not significant or material in anyway. Why do you think that?

Attached are a few screenshots from a review of the iPhone X. I've been working with mobile devices for years, and particularly in the context of eBooks and publishing. How long can a person hold an iPad/iPhone comfortably without their hands, wrists... arms... tiring... these are the kinds of things I've dealt with. And I've calculated the torque required at specific joints in the hands, wrists, and arms to hold a device that has a certain thickness and weight. Even small increments in thickness or weight can result in a material change for the User in terms of the comfort of the device.

As can be seen by this photo, the thickness of the iPhone X is noticeable. My iPhone 6 Plus is noticeably thinner.

https://imgur.com/uigztqN
 
Plenty of people switch between brands of phone that are no doubt a little thicker and heavier than one their used to. Can't remember reading stories of their arms dropping off as a result.

Do all the calculations you want, a 0.6mm difference in thickness will have zero impact on my life.
 
According to my calculations the iPhone is growing at an average of .15mm annually. Which means by 2027 it will be a full 3mm thicker than it is today.
 
Don't ever run a company or go into product development.

As we can also see, the iPhone 8 Plus is an absolute beast at 202 grams, a full 30 grams/17.4% heavier than the iPhone 6 Plus. It may be the heaviest phone they've ever made.

I know I'm getting one but it's gonna suck :( the 6+ was heavy and then the 6s+ made it even worse, finally with the 7+ we got a lighter phone. It's a first world issue but with my keys and my phone and a vaporizer, even little bit of weight matters, and the 6S+ caused my jeans to slip down so I'm sure the 8+ will be even worse. It's not a probably of fitting into pockets, it's the weight once it's in them.
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I don't mind this at all. In fact I want it to be even thicker than 7.6 so they can even out that fugly camera bump and give us a larger battery.

The batteries have gotten -smaller- this year. The extra weight is because of the glass.
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You do realize Jobs didn’t build the phones himself right? It’s been Jony all 10 years as far as aesthetics are concerned.

Yes but it seems like jobs was more willing to go along with Jony's design ideas even though it might not work perfectly (he went with form over function) like how they were both warned about the iPhone 4 design but pushed ahead because they liked how it looked, then dealt with the antenna issues a year later with the 4s. I'd be more willing to believe under jobs there would be more pressure for them to get it to work without a camera bump or notch. It seems now that Ive is still running the design, but people aren't pushing hard enough to make them work.
 
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