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That picasa app is pretty nice - I just downloaded it.

Its a little buggy though - not in the sense that it doesnt work, but its just very glitchy.

Windows and insanely smooth graphics do not play well together.

The timeline feature is CRAZY - but its blury for somereason.

I still like iPhoto better :D
 
8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.
 
Look in the Photos/iPhoto Library Tree

I am no on my mac at the moment but I do remember seeing that iPhoto stores the original (if modified) in a subdirectory. Have a poke around in Finder for them.
 
"might take a while to update thumbnails" is a bit of an understatement...

just for the record, it took 18 minutes, not the two billion plus hours it warned me about... :D
 

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Fixing Smart Albums

dudemac said:
I did the update and everything appeared to be fine, until I started looking at my smart folders. The ones that I used the "any" when I had more than one rule set, show me my entire library instead of just "any" of the set rules.

I was having the same problem with "Any" in some of my Smart Albums... I found a workaround! (using 4.0.1)

I've got some pictures with the keyword "Family" assigned and others with the keyword "Relatives". I created an album to get all of my family assembled by creating the criteria (using the any option)... "Keyword is Family, Keyword is Relatives". Initially the smart album returned all images in my library...

I then created an empty album (just named it "Empty") and added a third criteria to my Smart Album... "Album is Empty". I don't know why this works... but it does. The smart album now has the proper result only including photos with either the Family or Relatives keyword.

Kinda ugly, but who cares... I'm getting the results I wanted!
 
jelwell said:
8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.

If it suits you you can burn photos you don't use to CD/DVD and then remove them from iPhoto. Then when you pop the CD/DVD in the drive it should show up in iPhoto no problem. Or so I've heard.
 
jelwell said:
8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.

ouch. but thumbnail updating is a one time thing... i personally find iPhoto 4 to be quite usable, but again, i don't have 8000+ photos. (that may put you in a not-so-consumer photographer category... not iPhoto's "intended" audience...)

i have my 2000+ photos split into three libraries chronologically (about 700 to 1000 each) using iPhoto Library Manager. smooth as silk. before, with iPhoto 2, i had to make each library about 200 pics to make it "usable."
 
jxyama said:
ouch. but thumbnail updating is a one time thing... i personally find iPhoto 4 to be quite usable, but again, i don't have 8000+ photos. (that may put you in a not-so-consumer photographer category... not iPhoto's "intended" audience...)

i have my 2000+ photos split into three libraries chronologically (about 700 to 1000 each) using iPhoto Library Manager. smooth as silk. before, with iPhoto 2, i had to make each library about 200 pics to make it "usable."

I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.
 
oingoboingo said:
I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.

yeah, i know. but obviously, it depends on the size of each pic. i have a 3 MP camera, 20,000 pics would be ~20 GB. i don't know how iPhoto works, but i know it won't handle (nor do i expect it to**) a library that's half my HD.

i'm sure it can handle 20,000 pics if they are all low-resolution, 640x480 pics.

i wish he had quantified it a little better, like assuming 750 KB each or something. (like how capacity of iPod is defined - 10,000 songs assuming 128 kbps, 4 min. per song.)

**i say i don't expect it because it just sounds unreasonable and feels like i'm desparately grabbing every one of steve's words. it's rather silly. keynote is a show he's putting on. he will exaggerate things. he will make some outlandish remarks. that's why i thought it was hilarious people getting pissed around august last year because some people kept on saying how it was the "year of the laptop" but no 15" Al had been released. to me, he said "year of the laptop" because it was january and he just introduced two additional sized laptops - nothing more, nothing less. i didn't expect that statement to mean more laptops would be coming out in the year. i just took it for what it was at the time. fortunately, i was wrong and more laptops were introduced in 2003 - but i didn't get all upset about it being "late." ;) )
 
jxyama said:
yeah, i know. but obviously, it depends on the size of each pic. i have a 3 MP camera, 20,000 pics would be ~20 GB. i don't know how iPhoto works, but i know it won't handle (nor do i expect it to**) a library that's half my HD.

i'm sure it can handle 20,000 pics if they are all low-resolution, 640x480 pics.

i wish he had quantified it a little better, like assuming 750 KB each or something. (like how capacity of iPod is defined - 10,000 songs assuming 128 kbps, 4 min. per song.)

**i say i don't expect it because it just sounds unreasonable and feels like i'm desparately grabbing every one of steve's words. it's rather silly. keynote is a show he's putting on. he will exaggerate things. he will make some outlandish remarks. that's why i thought it was hilarious people getting pissed around august last year because some people kept on saying how it was the "year of the laptop" but no 15" Al had been released. to me, he said "year of the laptop" because it was january and he just introduced two additional sized laptops - nothing more, nothing less. i didn't expect that statement to mean more laptops would be coming out in the year. i just took it for what it was at the time. fortunately, i was wrong and more laptops were introduced in 2003 - but i didn't get all upset about it being "late." ;) )

Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)
 
25,000 Photos. Zero Waiting.

oingoboingo said:
I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.

Actually, not only did Steve say something along those lines in his keynote, the Apple site still mentions this... "25,000 Photos. Zero Waiting." I don't have anything close to this amount, but I can attest that my 8400+ library filling many GB on my disk (they're all at least 3MP images) flys along in iPhoto 4.
 
Snowy_River said:
Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)

ah, given the thumbnail "rebuilding" that came along with the update, you are probably right...

i don't mind split libraries, even if singular library didn't slow things down. it keeps things organized... (i do with it was built in, though.)
 
My 2x1.25Ghz, 768MB PowerMac G4 has been sitting with "about 5 minutes remaining" for nearly 24hrs.

I've killed it and started over a couple times, but you get the idea. It never finishes. Starts out about 11minutes, 9, 8, about 5....then I get the little spinning color-wheel and it never comes back.

HELP!

Mike
 
i had the same problem

Whipple Hippo said:
This might be a coincidence, but my guess is this update came out at this time because of a problem of which I had the privilege to experience. Last week when I updated from OS 10.3.2 to 10.3.3, iPhoto would no longer load properly. It would show the window briefly without showing any pictures, then the application would encounter an unexpected error and quit. I sent in some bug reports to Apple and now, after the update, it works just fine again (well, okay it works better than before). I don't know if anyone else out there experienced the same thing.
- Ti Powerbook 400Mhz

i had the same problem on x.3.3

sucks because i lost all my film rolls when i rebuilt the library before the update came out..
then last night, iphoto started doing the same thing..
so.. in the process of looking for an iphoto replacement, i find out iphoto was updated.. and working (for now anyway)

2800+ photos from a canon elph s400..
i wish there was a way to get the film rolls back.
or at least done automatically based on date... /me sighs...

stupid me didn't do a back up of the whole iphoto library. just a back up of the dated photo folders.. (2001,2002,2003,2004 ... etc... )
 
jsw said:
Shouldn't Apple make permission repair part of the installation process? It seems like you almost always have to do it afterwards - why not make it happen automatically? Optimizing...repairing...done. Or optimizing...rebooting...repairing...done.

What permissions? On what file(s), dir(s) or link(s)?

Mike
 
Wonky 4.0.1

I had trouble with 4.0.1 at first -- generic icon, failed launch. I repaired permissions through Disk Utility and restarted several times. When I right-clicked on iPhoto and chose "show package contents", I could see that I was still locked out permission-wise.

Here's how I got it to work: duplicate the iPhoto application. Trash the original. Rename "iPhoto copy" to "iPhoto." Everything worked as planned from there.

p.s. ~2000 pictures: ~30 minutes (dual 533 w/ 640mb RAM)

Hope this works for you.
 
***************
AFTER YOU RE-INSTALL iPhoto 4.0
to get rid of the generic icon in the dock...
first remove it from the dock.*POOF* then "get info" on your iPhoto Application (iPhoto.app). Next, click once on the icon in the get info window. press command+C (copy), then press "delete"(icon disappears), then command+p (paste). The icon should reappear. then close get info window. Finally.... re-add the iPhoto icon to the dock. FIXED..i hope:)

I hope I didn't miss anything as I typed this by memory.
***************
 
reckless_0001 said:
Did anybody else lose their slideshow transitions?

Yes, me! ;)

Problem: Even after repairing permissions, some remain spoiled.

Solution:
1. Log in as "root"
2. Show "package contend" of iphoto
3. Look in contents/plugIns and locate the four folders CubeTransition.IAPlugin, DissolveTransition.IAPlugin, MosaicFlipTransition.IAPlugin and WipeTransition.IAPlugin.
4. For each folder open info, and change permissions for the admin group to read&write (or only read) and click the "do this all to subfolders" button. Don't know how it's called in English, I use the German OS X :) ).

This worked for our 2 Macs. Hope 4 urs too! :D
 
Snowy_River said:
Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)

while it might be the number of photos for the thumbnail rebuild, it certainly is not just the number for the speed with which iphoto allows you to view the photos. e.g. i am on a pismo laptop right now. granted, it's going to be slow. but i have some photos that are 36 megs (shot raw and converted to 16 bit tifs). it's painful to view them, as i might expect. however, with a 3 meg picture it's much better... but still a bit slow. then with some pictures sent via email (couple hundred k), it's quick...

even on my g5 at home i notice the difference between a 36 meg tif and a 4 meg jpg...
 
I love updates..

got faster..

still not free, but I'm not expecting it to be free anymore.. well, its their game, they just updated it, and I love to play it with my new cat (Panther)
 
Brent Earlson said:
I then created an empty album (just named it "Empty") and added a third criteria to my Smart Album... "Album is Empty". I don't know why this works... but it does. The smart album now has the proper result only including photos with either the Family or Relatives keyword.
!

Thanks I have been playing around with it to see what things do and don't work. I hadn't tried adding a third rule to see if that fixed things. If this works, it will save me a lot of headache.

:D
 
Alternative to iPhoto

bnemesis said:
Cool. I am starting to get my wife involved using iPhoto.
I love the interface, but have two gripes with the program in general.
1) iPhoto print service prices are double that of Ofoto (which is where the prints come from)

and

2) iPhoto cant deal with archived photos on removeable media like CDs or DVDRs. It would be sweet if it would create the thumbnail and keep the meta information for the image, allowing searching. But prompted for media when you wished to see the full image. Unless you had "enhanced" or cropped an image. Then a local copy would be acceptable.

Until then, I have to stick with my ancient copy of Extensis Portfolio (my version cant read exif info from digital camera photos :( )

I am not as fired up about iPhoto as some so I have looked for other apps that do functions that I need. For format conversion and several other funtions try GraphicConverter.

When I have found a problem with GraphicConverter the author is very responsive.

My main dislike of iPhoto is its inability to organize photo's. Here is the situation I would like solved. Take a trip and go through several towns. Stay in some of them long enough to shoot hundreds of shots in various settings. Now using iPhoto organize those pictures. Trips/year/towns/individual groupings. So far I can not get iPhoto below the Trips.

The second complaint is, I think, a design flaw. One main repository of all the photo's. Guaranteed to get slower with usage and seems to serve no purpose. The OS file system is much better at organizing files and can access from remote devices, CD and DVD's.

Lots of programs have enhancing photo features so what is the stand out feature(s) of iPhoto?
 
Just won't work

My 2x1.25Ghz G4 just never finished converting the thumbnails.

I finally put my iPhoto library on a firewire drive and walked it downstairs. Pointed my iMac G4 to it -- converted fine. Wrote the whole library to a DVD.

I re-installed iPhoto 4.0 on the PowerMac. Works fine. I can point it to the "upgraded" dir on the firewire drive. Works fine. Upgrade to 4.01 -- hangs forever again.

Installed iPhoto 4.0 AGAIN, let it create a brand-new iPhoto library on another drive. Works. Upgrade to 4.01 -- hangs forever! And this is on a new dir with 0 pictures.

Intalled iPhoto 4.0 AGAIN, upgraded immediately, let 4.0.1 create a brand new dir -- STILL hangs.

I've rebooted. Turned off FileVault. Repaired permissions.

No matter what I do, 4.0.1 just hangs.

:mad:
 
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