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greg75 said:
Incorrect. The PortalPlayer chip doesn't support any particular format. It has no hardware decoding of audio formats. Decoding is done in software.
you're splitting hairs there. portalplayer is more than just a single chip. it's a platform and includes the hardware, firmware, and software. sure there is no dedicated decoder chip. but yes, this 'platform' does support decoding and encoding of various audio formats.

for reference: http://www.amd.com/us-en/FlashMemory/FlashApplications/0,,37_1736_6577_8011,00.html

edit: BTW, for all those clamoring for better photo features, portalplayer supports transfer of images from digital cameras through USB 2.0, so in theory, all Apple needs to do is add a USB 2 port to import images directly from the camera to the iPod. No need to hassle with Flash cards or Flash readers.
 
iPod & iCam

This is what I would like to see. Like Lepton above.
1. iCam that has a color screen and lens that saves the video on the iPod
2. iCam has a battery to run itself and keep the iPod running
3. Dump video from iPod to iMovie at hard drive speed (big savings in time)
I don’t care if the iPod can show the movie, that’s why we edit in iMovie and burn DVDs. Apple should also allow for burning a DVD that can be easily reloaded into iMovie later. Here is a link to my concept. Don’t store your movies on the iPod, just shot them on it and move them to the Mac for editing. This will get the PC folks wanting a Mac. This is not the iSight. http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.php?picid=133026
 
iPod

I will buy an iPod the day I can attach a mic and record live music. So far, only the iRiver and Archos Jukebox do this. Well, so does the Sony MD but as far a Mac support....forget it.
 
Lets get some facts straight.

1. The ipod is a music player. Why in the world do you think it should play movies or view photos? That's like asking your TV to play music. (Yes I know in a round about way this can happen but a TV is for watching movies/tv.) I don't hear anyone asking the walkman to doing anything besides playing music. Why harp on the ipod to do more.

A color screen. My ipod has a hint of blue to it. Isn't that considered color? What do you really look at your screen for? You only look at it for an instant to find your song and hit play. Do you really think having a little pink, red and green will make shuffling your songs that more enjoyable? Again, viewing photos, other than sitting on a plane with nothing else to do, would be pointless.

2. The pda thing. Yes, it would be cool to add a phone number when your out and about. However, this would require a stylus for input. Where does this stylus get stored? It would only make the ipod bigger. Kind of a bummer but its the way it is.

3. As for the 4g ipod. The only thing I can positively say (and I do not have links, etc.) is that the scroll wheel and buttons will be exactly like the ipod mini's. They may also consider making it out of aluminum as well. This would loose the classic ipod look but give people more options.

The home directory on the ipod would also be sweet. The only thing that concerns me is if the ipod was lost or stolen. How easy would it be for someone to access my important files? Also, I would need the rest of the world to buy a Mac so I could hook up anywhere, anytime. I guess this is why I have a powerbook now.
 
elo said:
And people will buy them like hotcakes. Comparison with the Sony Playstation Portable is silly. The device is *much* larger and heavier than the iPod and practically screams geek. People (that is, the people who would be caught dead with such a thing) will use it for some of their tunes, of course, but it will not become the stand-alone music player of choice among the crowd that would consider an iPod. In short, the PSP plays to a demographic with limited overlap to the iPod's.

Apple knows what it's doing.

elo - I think you might be missing the point. The comparison with PSP was just to illustrate that, even with a converged device, Apple's "leading marketshare position" is going to evaporate virtually overnight once a larger player like Sony takes action. Apple does not and will not own the standard in the face of that kind of competition, no matter what they think.

In addition to the PSP, Sony (and others) will obviously have dedicated devices, which will be "good enough" copies of the iPod, and they also have the media, technology, and distribution channels to get them in the hands of consumers in volume and on time. By comparison, Apple is weak in all those categories and the stand-alone devices will be sold in even greater numbers, further eroding Apple's position.

However, looking further at PSP in terms of a viable, converged device, when it comes to average consumer shopping dollars for the holiday shopping season, parents aren't going to buy a $300 iPod for their kids who want both video games and music. If you were a parent, which way would you allocate your hard-earned income? It's one or the other and the iPod pricing is so far out of whack, it's comical. Apple needs to make a $50 consumer unit, or maybe even a free unit with an iTMS service contract. Kids and parents don't seem to have problems with cell phone contracts. Why shouldn't there be one for music too?

But, that's another good point. What happens with converged mp3/cell phones and kids? I have an mp3 phone. iPod? Bah! I wonder who will recruit cell phone manufacturers to provide music on a subscription basis? Too bad Apple hasn't had the forethought to license AAC to Nokia, or any of the other major phone manufacturers.

Whoever makes their audio standard the most available (open or via license) in any preferred device incarnation will get support from the low-cost, me-too digital audio player clones/devices/bolt-ons, further entrenching that company's standard in the market and generating additional traffic and revenue.

Will Apple license AAC? errmmm...let me check The Magic A-Ball ... "Blinded By Shiny iPod Case - Check Again Later."

Quite honestly, Apple has no idea what they're doing, and in 1-2 years, if they continue to adopt such an exclusive, non-consumer-oriented, small-thinking, niche-leading posture, you'll see why. It won't be a world using iPods, iTMS, and Apple's audio standards. The world will use the technology that a more adept, business-savvy, licensing-aware company can deliver as a targeted consumer commodity, no matter how "cool" the iPod may be.

And, that will be sad.
 
duffyb: Griffin makes iTalk

Not exactly what you're talking about...but...

I had the demo - it's kind of an interesting voice recorder product, and probably something that should be built-in.
 
Quarkie said:
elo - I think you might be missing the point. The comparison with PSP was just to illustrate that, even with a converged device, Apple's "leading marketshare position" is going to evaporate virtually overnight once a larger player like Sony takes action. Apple does not and will not own the standard in the face of that kind of competition, no matter what they think.
Quark, you're definitley wrong here. Sony has had ever chance in the world to do this already. Their mini disk player hasn't panned out.
However, looking further at PSP in terms of a viable, converged device, when it comes to average consumer shopping dollars for the holiday shopping season, parents aren't going to buy a $300 iPod for their kids who want both video games and music. If you were a parent, which way would you allocate your hard-earned income? It's one or the other and the iPod pricing is so far out of whack, it's comical. Apple needs to make a $50 consumer unit, or maybe even a free unit with an iTMS service contract.
So, the ipod is out of whack but its ok to buy a $200 video game player and then spend $50+ a month on video games? Not to mention, once the game has been completed, it's rarely ever played again. At least music will be listened to for a very, very long time. Sounds like the video game player is the one that's whacked.
Quarkie said:
Whoever makes their audio standard the most available (open or via license) in any preferred device incarnation will get support from the low-cost, me-too digital audio player clones/devices/bolt-ons, further entrenching that company's standard in the market and generating additional traffic and revenue.
Let me get this straight. Apple is the one doing wrong here? Sony. MS and Apple are the players. All of them want to own the audio format for the future. MS isn't in the hardware biz so their plan is to get everyone to use there coding so they become the "standard". Do you really want MS decideing how you're going to play your music?
Quarkie said:
Quite honestly, Apple has no idea what they're doing, and in 1-2 years, if they continue to adopt such an exclusive, non-consumer-oriented, small-thinking, niche-leading posture, you'll see why. It won't be a world using iPods, iTMS, and Apple's audio standards. The world will use the technology that a more adept, business-savvy, licensing-aware company can deliver as a targeted consumer commodity, no matter how "cool" the iPod may be.
If need be, Apple could easily have the ipod play WMA songs and sell them on itunes. Apple just doesn't want MS to control the audio format of the future.
 
bertagert: I guess we'll see. :) I'll come back and find this thread again in a year or so and cop to my errors, if need be. ;)

Also, my prediction for the standards-winners are, although 1 & 2 are a tough call:

1. Sony
2. Microsoft
3. Apple

Apple will most likely never own it, and I don't mind if MS wins. However, it's Apple's to lose at the moment, and that's the way they're headed with non-strategic thinking.
 
Quarkie said:
bertagert: I guess we'll see. :) I'll come back and find this thread again in a year or so and cop to my errors, if need be. ;)
Apple will most likely never own it, and I don't mind if MS wins. However, it's Apple's to lose at the moment, and that's the way they're headed with non-strategic thinking.

Quarkie,

Yeah, we could argue this to death but in the end, its Apple and MS that will decide the final outcome. Apple obviously has a plan in place to make this happen. Who knows if it will be the right choice. Same goes for MS. Personally, I don't think Sony has a chance right now by using their own format. Too late to the game. Yes, MS will probably win eventually. This actually sucks as there shouldn't be a winner at all. A company shouldn't have the say in what, where, and how we listen to music, or video for that matter (this includes Apple).

Funny thing is, I brought this topic up a long time ago and no one believed me that the whole ipod/itunes/DRM thing was really a war against MS and Apple.

I think Apple has a very good shot at it as they are the leader. Ever since the ipod became popular, people have been giving the speech about how the ipod will die and other makers will win out. Apple/ipod have only been getting stronger and stronger though.
 
bertagert said:
Let me get this straight. Apple is the one doing wrong here? Sony. MS and Apple are the players. All of them want to own the audio format for the future. MS isn't in the hardware biz so their plan is to get everyone to use there coding so they become the "standard". Do you really want MS decideing how you're going to play your music?

I don't really want MS or Apple to decide how im going to play my music. At this point in the game its fair to say that apple is more controlling than MS is with WMA in scope of compatible products. With WMA downloads I can put them on pretty much every mp3 player made with few exceptions (ipod being one of them) I don't use WMA or AAC I stick with MP3 just because I dont want a bunch of different formats of music on my computer.
 
Audio a must for me...or a lust for me

The new form factor will have to stay the same, minimal, but the firewire port on the bottom will allow more things to happen.
I just don't understand why they have yet to enable uncompressed 16 bit 44.1 audio recording through something connected to the dock. The 3g ipod supports this already, there is an analog audio in and out on the firwire port. There were rumors before regarding a super dock with rca ins and outs to enable this recording. I emailed griffin technology as to why they hadn't made something like this yet, and they replied that it was definitely limited by the software. I would assume that this is all to appease the record companies during this age of itunes.
Audio recording is all I really want from my ipod, well recording dv straight to ipod would be awesome too because capturing dv sucks, but I'm not holding my breath.
OLED screens may be the clinchers for a color ipod, album art would definitely be cool, as well as visualizers, slide shows with music. There was also that patent that was for devices that changed their color perhaps in sync with audio, but the 4g will probably be aluminum.... or carbon fiber.
 
ummmm... no

Xenious said:
Not that is _useful_ per say, but I want a color screen that shows the album cover in color. :) What better encoding do we need? Are you wanting to use the ipod as an mp3 rip-er?

Besides album art display I can't think of anything that the iPod really needs. A line out on the ipod itself might be nice (so I don't need a dock to plug into a stereo). Maybe something to improve the sound some. Custom multi band EQ settings. That's all I can think of offhand.
-jim
I agree that it would be nice and snazzy, but the negative effect would be remarkably high. Plus, how many people actually care about album art that is under two inches small? leave the pictures and movies until a better battery comes out. I think it would also KILL apples market share, because people like a mP3 player that is simple yet elegant, not something that has so many features built in that it kills the idea. Leave movies and pics to the Apple pda or different hardware product, and keep the iPod simple until we can afford the risk. ;)
 
maybe

BeigeUser said:
Isn't "good looks" reason enough to add color screens? If a average consumer goes in a store and sees a color screen, I'm sure that person will be more impressed than a black & white screen. Apple is likely to add more built-in games in the future. Might as well make them color games. Maybe the iPod can display album covers as it plays music.

I don't think it will drain the battery as much as you fear. The only thing that might bother an average consumer is the added price. But if Apple can find a cheap, reliable vendor, I'd say go for it.

Well, maybe, maybe not. The price issue is huge though, because the population who are considering an iPod are looking to save money. The game thing is a good idea, but is the iPod a gaming counsel? And unless you add a gaming pad, i don't see how you could play a game. Plus, it would be limited without a video card and more ram for playing games and music at the same time. Impressions are a big thing, but not all first impressions are the whole story. :eek:
~Nate13
 
(Too lazy to read all posts sorry if some one said anything on this.)

Some thing I that must be considered is the PSP and Nintendo DS. As it stands they will both have Wifi and color screens. The Nintendo will have a chat system (perhaps AIM) and the sony a DVD/music player. Both can hold at least one gig on the media they use. The nintendo will even have a stylus and color screen. Not to mention the $200 price $50 less then a mini! A lot of kids get their parents to buy them ipods but why not get a sony that can play DVDs go online to talk with your friends. I think if apple is going to have to do something to discourage people from picking these kind of devices over the iPod.
 
AoWolf said:
A lot of kids get their parents to buy them ipods but why not get a sony that can play DVDs go online to talk with your friends.
Becuase the ipod/min can fit on your pocket. A stylus would get lost when trying to jog/workout with it. The ipod isn't the size of a brick. People do other things when listening to music. You can't do these things while trying to watch a movie. You can talk to your friends on a cell phone. Ipod = music player. Stop all the talk video and games. It is not what the ipod is about!
 
bertagert said:
Becuase the ipod/min can fit on your pocket. A stylus would get lost when trying to jog/workout with it. The ipod isn't the size of a brick. People do other things when listening to music. You can't do these things while trying to watch a movie. You can talk to your friends on a cell phone. Ipod = music player. Stop all the talk video and games. It is not what the ipod is about!

Oh I fully understand(love to make fun of my friends creative) that but I am not looking at this from a practical angle. The average person is going to go with the the device that can do more at a lower price...
 
wifi mp3 player already on market

SoniqCast’sElement Aireo MP3 player with built-in WiFi >


Related entries: Portable Audio




It sounds like we’ll be waiting a long, long time (maybe forever) for Apple to go wireless and add AirPort Extreme the iPod, but CNET has a review of the first and only MP3 player (so far) to come with built-in WiFi, the Element Aireo from SoniqCast. We’re not convinced that just being able to cut the cord is worth its $300 price tag or the fact that it only has a puny 1.5GB of storage (though this might actually be an advantage once you realize how long it’d take to transfer 20GB music over an 802.11b), but SoniqCast is promising a software upgrade for the Aireo that’ll let users wirelessly swap tunes with each other, which is something we’ve wanted to see for a long time.

http://reviews.cnet.com/SoniqCast_Element_Aireo__1_5GB_/4505-6490_7-30790880.html?tag=pdtl-list


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Easy means of text input

They could surely add a 'virtual' mobile phone pad into the software, which could be toggled up while editing contacts or calendar items and used in the mode of text-messaging's ability to guess the words from the first few letters? The 'virtual' phone keys would be only about 12 in total, aranged as on the phone:

1 2 3

4 5 6

7 8 9

* 0 ^

These 'virtual' keys could easily be selected at great speed and accuracy by being scrolled back and fourth through using the present scrollwheel, in exactly the same manner as currently at work in the calender funtion viewed in month mode.
 
AoWolf said:
(Too lazy to read all posts sorry if some one said anything on this.)

Some thing I that must be considered is the PSP and Nintendo DS. As it stands they will both have Wifi and color screens. The Nintendo will have a chat system (perhaps AIM) and the sony a DVD/music player. Both can hold at least one gig on the media they use. The nintendo will even have a stylus and color screen. Not to mention the $200 price $50 less then a mini! A lot of kids get their parents to buy them ipods but why not get a sony that can play DVDs go online to talk with your friends. I think if apple is going to have to do something to discourage people from picking these kind of devices over the iPod.

I think you suffer from the same thing many here do, you can't see the iPod from the perspective of an average consumer, just a techie. But ignoring marketability, there's one thing everyone's missing here, with the talk of "the iPod can go color because other devices have". None of those devices have hard drives in them. Hard drives are much more expandable, obviously the 40GB iPod rather outshines the 1GB Nintendo. When you put a hard drive in with a color screen, even an oled one (and consider that oled has still not come down much in price yet) you're into the realm of subportable computers now, which are powered by much bigger batteries yet yield much lower life. Apple has pushed the limits of their batteries to power the drive, processor and RAM in the iPod with 10hrs battery life (well, etc), putting a color screen on would absolutely smash that. Battery life would be quite poor indeed with most of the modifications you guys are suggesting, not to mention the fact that "ease of use", arguably the most important factor in making technology successful, has been shot to hell.

I also think Apple will try to stick to the iPod white face, probably they intended it to change later but the white iPod and earbuds have really caught on as a recognized symbol... Apple would do well to hold onto that image for a couple more years. Then, in about late 2006, they should release something insanely great to bolster interest in the iPod, which will probably be losing it's luster at that point.

Personally, i'd like Apple to master cold-fusion and incorporate that into the iPod, so that it could be recharged on a yearly basis... I could sell excess electricity to California ;)

paul
 
I would love to see a *nice* built in voice recorder and a longer battery life in the iPod. Do you think that we'll reach 50GB? I wouldn't mind a color screen, but it really makes no difference to me. I'm planning on getting an iPod soon, when do you think that these will come out?

Cheers,
JOD8FY
 
I don't think a color screen is neccessary but nice...I have a 30 gig...and i will be really annoyed at WWDC he anounces new ipods. I would like him to annouce 3 GHZ G-5's.....I don't think they need new ones. Maybe make them cheaper because people say "bad things" that i have the most expensive ipod. If they do add a color screen i would like it to be able to turn off to save battery life. I would hope that it would have games in color
 
Quarkie said:
duffyb: Griffin makes iTalk

Not exactly what you're talking about...but...

I had the demo - it's kind of an interesting voice recorder product, and probably something that should be built-in.

What Quarkie was referring to was the ability to record something in high quality stereo. I really wish that something would finally be released that could be able to record high quality stereo on current iPods. Griffin (and Belkin as well, I think) have released mono recorders for voice reminders (of which I have no idea what quality they produce). The microphone doesn't need to be included-I just want an 1/8 inch stereo jack in the recording attachment for microphones like the Sony MD recorders have. I really want to replace my MD recorder so that I don't have to use it as a middleman whenever I want to record something on the go.
 
paulwhannel said:
Personally, i'd like Apple to master cold-fusion and incorporate that into the iPod, so that it could be recharged on a yearly basis... I could sell excess electricity to California ;)

paul

Can I go into business with you when you do? Sign me up bud... :cool:
 
nate13 said:
There is no practial use of color screens, aside from photo viewing. Movies would take too much battery. and the resolution would be too poor fro photos. if the battery life is eight hours now, it would be three with the color screen. If battery life is a strong issue now, think of a 4 hour battery! :mad: NO SALES! I say, go with better encoding!!:D
~Nate13

I'm sure it must have been said by the time I'm writing this but a colour display is very much a useful and practical upgrade even if it doesn't support video or photos.

Not everyone who wants to use a portable music player is in their teens or twenties. I'm 41 and I want an iPod. I also needed reading glasses for the first time this year.

When I compare my Tungsten to my Palm V, and my T720 to earlier phones I've owned, the increased readability of a colour, high resolution display becomes obvious.

If you don't thinks so, just wait. :)

~iGuy
 
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