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BrianKonarsMac -

There's more to life than having a subwoofer. If all you want is thumping bass, fine, but thumping bass is not the same as good sound. I too have a 5.1 system - its "entry level" but it sounds wonderful for movies. That said, it cost probably $600+ total, and it isn't all that for music. Music tests speakers a lot more than movies. I wouldn't be surprised if the iPod HiFi sounds better for music.

You are comparing apples and oranges. There are a lot of reasons people might want one of these: a music system for a different room in the house, people who don't want (or more often, who's spouse won't agree to have) speakers and speaker wire all over the living room, people looking for a system for the office, and so on. Just because *you* don't have any need for this product doesn't mean it sucks.

You also state there are other things that sound better and cost less. You are making a pretty stupid assumption there, unless you've been to the Apple store to take a listen.

As for the price, IF this produces high quality, "room filling" sound of the type you would not expect from such a small device, it may well be worth $350. That's not a lot to pay for a speaker setup. As I said above my 5.1 setup, which is what *I* would consider entry level, costs in the $600+ range (and yes, I recognize that trashy home theater "kits" exist, I just choose not to discuss them since they are generally hideous). If, on the other hand, the sound is just average, then this is overpriced.

I guess all I'm trying to say is... I'm sick of people complaining because its not the product they wanted Apple to release. Let the product stand on its own and get some reviews before you decide its crap.
 
dicklacara said:
I just got (2 hrs ago) my iPod HiFi.

I played from the 5G iPod & it works fine!

Then I played iTunes thru it (connected iPod HiFi to AirPort Express.

To be honest, the iPod HiFi sounds better than:

1) B&O 8000 with McIntosh speakers $8000 in c1985 (FM/Turntable/Cassette/CD)
2) Bose Acousitc Wave 1G $1000 in c1986 (AM/FM/Cassette -- about 1 foot tall)
3) Bose Acoustic Wave 2G $500 in c1998 (AM/FM/CD -- about 4 inches tall)


Sucker.
 
if this is true...

dicklacara said:
I just got (2 hrs ago) my iPod HiFi.

I played from the 5G iPod & it works fine!

Then I played iTunes thru it (connected iPod HiFi to AirPort Express.

To be honest, the iPod HiFi sounds better than:

1) B&O 8000 with McIntosh speakers $8000 in c1985 (FM/Turntable/Cassette/CD)
2) Bose Acousitc Wave 1G $1000 in c1986 (AM/FM/Cassette -- about 1 foot tall)
3) Bose Acoustic Wave 2G $500 in c1998 (AM/FM/CD -- about 4 inches tall)

if this is at all true, and all of our assumptions are wrong... WOW!

i wonder what the stereophile people will say about it :eek:
 
drewyboy said:
Are you kid'n me? Bose has some of the best sound on the market. Bose is one company that charges the price it's worth. I have a bose at home and it fills the whole living room kitchen and hallways with sound. The accoustics and bass of that little box is incredible.

Are you kid'n us? Bose does not have some of the best sound on the market. Especially when you do a price/performance comparision. Bose does good marketing, claming how advanced their engineering is. To an uneducated consumer it sounds really important and technical.

Go listen to the entry-level bookshelf and micro speakers from Energy and Paradigm. These will crush Bose like a grape. And they cost much, much less.
 
Remote Shootout?

Apple does have a potential problem with all these IR remotes.

The remote will control every box that is within range...

...so if you have a iMac, MacBook, iPod doc with IR, and an iPodHiFi...

they all do different things when you flip buttons on the remote

Dick
 
MacTruck said:
I guess the question is, is he a bigger sucker because he bought the iPod Hi-Fi, or the two Bose Wave Radio's and the B&O system. ;)

All fall into the category of relatively pricey and yet good looking/well marketed gear.

B
 
dicklacara said:
Apple does have a potential problem with all these IR remotes.

The remote will control every box that is within range...

...so if you have a iMac, MacBook, iPod doc with IR, and an iPodHiFi...

they all do different things when you flip buttons on the remote

Dick

Yeah, this was a bad idea. What happened to Bluetooth?
 
Ir

dicklacara said:
Apple does have a potential problem with all these IR remotes.

The remote will control every box that is within range...

...so if you have a iMac, MacBook, iPod doc with IR, and an iPodHiFi...

they all do different things when you flip buttons on the remote

Dick

I read on the FAQ page that you can mate the remote to only the hi-fi.
 
Useless

i don't know why anyone would waste $350 for this. you can go to kmart, target, or even the dreaded walmart by a higher end boom box w/ audio in, and had the bass and trebble response of this. For $350 you can go out and by a yamaha receiver and a $200 pair of polk towers or sony and blow this speaker set away. Give apple credit for exploiting the ipod markets. However, shame on them for producing something lower than the standards that we all know they are capable for.
 
dicklacara said:
Apple does have a potential problem with all these IR remotes.

The remote will control every box that is within range...

...so if you have a iMac, MacBook, iPod doc with IR, and an iPodHiFi...

they all do different things when you flip buttons on the remote

Dick

Yeah, that has been on my mind as well. Are they keyed to specific units or do they work with anyone?
 
Yeah right!

dicklacara said:
I just got (2 hrs ago) my iPod HiFi.

I played from the 5G iPod & it works fine!

Then I played iTunes thru it (connected iPod HiFi to AirPort Express.

To be honest, the iPod HiFi sounds better than:

1) B&O 8000 with McIntosh speakers $8000 in c1985 (FM/Turntable/Cassette/CD)
2) Bose Acousitc Wave 1G $1000 in c1986 (AM/FM/Cassette -- about 1 foot tall)
3) Bose Acoustic Wave 2G $500 in c1998 (AM/FM/CD -- about 4 inches tall)

All Bose stuff is overpriced for what it is. None of it really falls into the catagory of 'real' hifi. B&O is closer, but if you put looks first, that's exactly what you get. I'm keeping my Naim set up, listening to CDs (remember those?), and loving music, real music. MP3, AAC and the rest are fine for the iPod, but real music is uncompressed and uncompromised. Sorry Steve, I don't believe the hype.
:p
 
Read the FAQ before you post, people

aswitcher said:
Yeah, that has been on my mind as well. Are they keyed to specific units or do they work with anyone?

From the FAQ:

How do I pair the remote so it only works with my iPod Hi-Fi?
See "Using the Apple Remote with iPod Hi-Fi" for steps to pair the Apple Remote with iPod Hi-Fi.
 
balamw said:
I guess the question is, is he a bigger sucker because he bought the iPod Hi-Fi, or the two Bose Wave Radio's and the B&O system. ;)

All fall into the category of relatively pricey and yet good looking/well marketed gear.

B


I guess if you are loaded who cares. Thats the market this thing is after along with the $99 ipod case.
 
drewyboy said:
Are you kid'n me? Bose has some of the best sound on the market. Bose is one company that charges the price it's worth. I have a bose at home and it fills the whole living room kitchen and hallways with sound. The accoustics and bass of that little box is incredible.


Bose has a very specific sound (The BOSE sound) I guess you could say that works very well for some people and not very well for others. I think it depends on what kind of music you listen to. I owned a Wave Radio CD and classical music sounded fabulous on it. Hard Rock and/or Rap was muddy and exceptionally mid-rangey. It really didn't work for me atall so I sold it to someone who listens to NPR and Yanni all day. They loved it so much they bought another.

My point is, for $500 it wasn't really worth it for me. But for others it is. If the Boombox sounds as good as or even better than the Wave, I'm in. I think it's very reasonably priced if so.
 
sigamy said:
Are you kid'n us? Bose does not have some of the best sound on the market. Especially when you do a price/performance comparision. Bose does good marketing, claming how advanced their engineering is. To an uneducated consumer it sounds really important and technical.

Go listen to the entry-level bookshelf and micro speakers from Energy and Paradigm. These will crush Bose like a grape. And they cost much, much less.

The bigger (older) Bose sounds better than the smaller one... the B&O sounds better than either one... when they are played standalone.

However, I have been very very disappointed with all of them when played from iTunes thru airport express.

The iPod HiFi sounds much better than any of these thru iTunes... there's the advantage.

It appears that the iPod HiFi matches the characteristics of the other components of the system (iTunes encoding/decoding & Airport Express)

For those of you who are concerned about the treble performance of the iPod HiFi, I found it to be very good. One of the songs that demonstrates this is:

Trumpeter's Prayer by Tutti Camarata on the Tutti's Trumpets album.

I have this on LP, CD and iTMS download.

You can preview this on the iTMS. Another good one is: The Stripper by David Rose.

I played the trumpet and the sound thru the iPod HiFi is true (at least to my ear).

I don't consider myself an audiophile, but I come from a family with some HiFi expertise. In 1951 my Uncle & my Dad designed, built & sold little 3'x2'x6" FM CRT (tube) radios (for $500) that had bass cross-over & fantastic sound that later evolved into what became known as High Fidelity.

My Dad did a lot of experimenting with speakers and had one set that pumped so much air that it made a candy dish jump off a marble coffee table. In the 1960's, Dad made some little folded-horn speaker enclosures 1'x1'x3' tall that he placed in 2 corners of his living room so that the corner walls & ceiling extended/complemented the horn-effect. He could make the bay window on the opposite side of the room pulse.

IMO, the iPod HiFi is an excellent fit for those who want to enjoy their digital audio library at a minimum cost and fuss (whether you use it with an iPod, or not).

Dick
 
Apple made something that was already created, that costs more than most of the line of iPods. The leather cases are way overpriced, you can get a better one for a much better price. I am really dissapointed in this altogether. Apple is starting to loose originality. The Mini isn't anything special either, just something we already expected.
 
ewoh24 said:
Bose has a very specific sound (The BOSE sound) I guess you could say that works very well for some people and not very well for others. I think it depends on what kind of music you listen to. I owned a Wave Radio CD and classical music sounded fabulous on it. Hard Rock and/or Rap was muddy and exceptionally mid-rangey. It really didn't work for me atall so I sold it to someone who listens to NPR and Yanni all day. They loved it so much they bought another.

My point is, for $500 it wasn't really worth it for me. But for others it is. If the Boombox sounds as good as or even better than the Wave, I'm in. I think it's very reasonably priced if so.

I would NEVER buy Bose, I have always found them to be very high on selling people the idea that they are good, always talking about what great engineering goes into their products.

To me the base always sound quite delayed like 1/2 a second to 1 second. And I stand there in their store looking around with a, the emperor has no clothes, look on my face and wondering if I am the only one that can hear it !!!

I think the tremendously long baffle makes the delay and have always found accordion woofers to sound awesome and they make an entire system, Rogersound Labs used to make beautiful simple box with them at a good price.

Well, it look like they just have one system now, they not using accordion speakers anymore, its for computers and it costs $60 ...
http://www.rslspeakers.com/Products/index.cfm?page=ProductsHome

Its a special limited time price.
 
nagromme said:
Core Solo processors existed before? :confused:

Uhh...yea actually they did exist before. The word solo, in this case, actually means "1" the exact number of cores virtually every processor has used since the stone age. The Core Duo processor is innovative and new, the core solo is just the latest faster processor. Not exciting.

I don't own any apple products, but was all ready to buy a new ibook today (provided they came out). This whole press conference changed my mind. This does nothing to attract non-apple users to their product line. The whole thing made Apple like like a bunch of elitist snobs. It pissed me off.

The hifi will experience mediocre sales until apple discontinues it in shame. They will bury the remaining stock with Atari's failed E.T. game cartridges in the Arizona Desert. If I am wrong, I have lost my faith in humanity. If I am wrong I will eat my hat.

I will go buy a PC notebook and keep waiting for apple to grow up. I really, really want them to. I really really want an apple notebook. I would really love to buy into the apple hype, but the $99 ipod case and a $350 iDoorstop makes me feel like a sucker, not a "discerning consumer" as someone mentioned before.
 
dicklacara said:
I just got (2 hrs ago) my iPod HiFi.

I played from the 5G iPod & it works fine!

Then I played iTunes thru it (connected iPod HiFi to AirPort Express.

To be honest, the iPod HiFi sounds better than:

1) B&O 8000 with McIntosh speakers $8000 in c1985 (FM/Turntable/Cassette/CD)
2) Bose Acousitc Wave 1G $1000 in c1986 (AM/FM/Cassette -- about 1 foot tall)
3) Bose Acoustic Wave 2G $500 in c1998 (AM/FM/CD -- about 4 inches tall)


Awesome. Congratulations. Enjoy your purchase. How did you get it? Did you order online yesterday, or buy at the store today?
 
ilmiacs said:
If $350 too much for any of you, you are really no audiophile...:cool:

Is that a joke? How about if the iBrick is enough for you, you are really no audiophile. How about if the iPod is enough for you, you are really no audiophile.
 
Ya they still accordion woofers ...
http://www.cheaplights.com/catalog/01_info.php?sec=411

Here are the ones on top of the list, the cheapest $21 ...

"10 inch woofer with cloth accordion edge. 35 to 7k Hz. Average sensitivity at 1w/1m=91. Magnet weight is 50 ounces and size is 5 5/8 x 1 1/4+1/4 bump, 8 OHM, 200 watts rms, 600 watts peak. 1.5 inch voice coil."

Accordion edge speakers are safer for high watt stereo systems :eek:

Top of the line $158:
"21 inch woofer with cloth accordion edge. 25 to 2k Hz. Average sensitivity at 1w/1m=100. Magnet weight is 120 ounces, 8 OHM, 500 watts rms, 1000 watts peak. 4 inch voice coil."
 
powerbook911 said:
Awesome. Congratulations. Enjoy your purchase. How did you get it? Did you order online yesterday, or buy at the store today?

Ordered online as soon as the store reopened.

Thanks for the good wishes... it is refreshing to read an upbeat post.

Dick
 
Hm, didn't Apple bury the Lisa too?

Nice to hear that quite a few people don't consider BOSE as good sounding... but they DO know how to make cars go really smooth (new suspension system... seems to be awesome). Anyway, B&O... I think they really know what design is (besides Apple), but I have yet to hear a B&O system.
If I really had some money to spend I would go for Isophon speakers and maybe an Audiomap amp/preamp. Something in that area. B&O, BOSE, ... are more about the looks.

Lossy compressed audio... well, yes, you can hear the difference. But it's different from what differenciates good from bad sound systems. I think MP3s can gain from a good HiFi system. MP3s can sound better when the bass and the midrange etc. is improved. But a good HiFi system makes it easier to hear the problems of MP3, AAC, Ogg Vorbis, MPC, ...
 
iDrinkKoolAid said:
I believe there is still much FUD about the perceived poor sound quality of perceptual audio coders (MP3, Ogg Vorbis) as compared to its original source.

If one uses laboratory-quality headphones (not iPod earbuds!) and a studio-quality sound card (not the Griffin iMic!) and performs a valid A/B/X test, she may find that the sound-quality differences are imperceptible.

I for one, always thought MP3s sucked since back in 1997 codecs sounded awful. A Ph.D. student in audio engineering convinced me ,otherwise. He told me to give him what I thought was a good recording, and he burned an audio CD with three formats, 128 kbps MP3, 128 kbps AAC, and 16-bit 44.1 kHz PCM, and told me to identify which is which.

After repeated listening and frustration, I gave up and he told me the order. I could not tell which versions were compressed and which weren't. Old perceptions, especially in audio, die hard.

I have normal hearing (tested during 2004) and used Etymotic ER-4P headphones for the above test.


Your friend had a P.H.D. in audio engineering and was using headphones for sound comparisons? Everything about that is highly dubious.
 
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